DisneyCane
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Tony Perkis
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Gonna see a lot of Karens show up when they walk indoors without a mask.
The weekend is here and yes, the national average number of cases is down to 10 per 100,000. Of course the negative ones will say that is only due to rounding down to whole numbers. In answer I say 27 states are in single digits and 31 are at 10 or less. There are still 3 states, Colorado 23, Michigan 22, and Maine at 20 that are still in the 20's.
Florida is make slow progress and needs to do much better as they are still at 16 and dropped 36% over the past 2 week while the best state during that time was NJ with an 80% drop. Yes, NJ has shown the rest of the country what happens when you reach the tipping point and herd immunity. NJ has gone from worst to third and now is down to 5 cases per 100,000 just behind California and Oklahoma that have 4. The CDC knew what was happening and that we are almost out of the US pandemic but we need to worry about the rest of the world now. Thanks to Operation Warp Speed we will have a normal Summer beginning on Memorial Day Weekend. I predicted in January that by the end of April we would break into single digits and while I was a tiny bit optimistic, I was only a couple of weeks off. Thank God for the scientists and others who made this possible. We are winning the war and faster than the so called experts predicted. Remember the CDC said last year that we would not even have a vaccine until this Summer but we not only got the Vaccine last November we won the battle before Memorial Day!
Florida is make slow progress and needs to do much better as they are still at 16 and dropped 36% over the past 2 week while the best state during that time was NJ with an 80% drop. Yes, NJ has shown the rest of the country what happens when you reach the tipping point and herd immunity. NJ has gone from worst to third and now is down to 5 cases per 100,000 just behind California and Oklahoma that have 4. The CDC knew what was happening and that we are almost out of the US pandemic but we need to worry about the rest of the world now. Thanks to Operation Warp Speed we will have a normal Summer beginning on Memorial Day Weekend. I predicted in January that by the end of April we would break into single digits and while I was a tiny bit optimistic, I was only a couple of weeks off. Thank God for the scientists and others who made this possible. We are winning the war and faster than the so called experts predicted. Remember the CDC said last year that we would not even have a vaccine until this Summer but we not only got the Vaccine last November we won the battle before Memorial Day!
Good point. I saw an announcement this week about a cast member vaccine event and recall being surprised it took this long (although it’s possible they have done others I didn’t hear about).
Archie123
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Hopefully someone can record all these Karen's having meltdowns. They are always fun to watch.
Disneydad1012
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Me too. By the far the biggest annoyance for me last August when we went.
correcaminos
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Yes, drinking and walking especially in the summer will be nice. Though I am not a beer drinker, cool beverages when it's hot out will be a good thing.
I do understand why some are worried. When talking with my friend last night who is now just fully vaccinated by a week or so, it takes time to adjust. Those who have been vaccinated longer mentally have time to adjust. It took us a while to adjust at the beginning of the pandemic and any changes will be harder to adjust to. I won't just people either way for masks and usage.
I do judge those who still think this is no big deal and tout "mah freedom" while not being vaccinated. I won't lie, I do. (Edit to clarify, I'm talking the act of not not vaccinating, nothing else. My patience with true anti-vaxxers is not big)
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Nickp1983
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Are we talking about going maskless in Sam's Club... or are we simply talking about people being able to walk around outside without a mask?
I'll admit, I don't travel the entire United States, but I've been to about 30 States during rhe pandemic for work. I rarely have seen anyone wear a mask outside. Maybe a few here and there, but for the most part, most people would take their mask off when going outside. So outside people that would drive around in their own cars with masks, I don't think relaxing this rule will really affect many people.
For far too long I've seen people comment on masks being mandated at Disney, then be attacked with "if you don't like it, don't go!! Please!". Well, it kind of goes both ways, right?
corsairk09
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I think that’s a really good point. People have been living so afraid and aware of this virus for so long. And even after they are fully vaccinated it takes a while to really let that fear go. Excellent point.Thank you!
correcaminos
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Well since I don't ever go to Sam's Club, you can guess what I am talking about
my judmental comment was relating to anti-vaxxers only. I have little to no patience for that. Not referring to anything else about them, just simply being stubborn about not vaccinating. And obviously no issues for those who legitimately cannot or having a hard time getting it.Generally speaking though understanding of all views really is needed. I even listen and try for those who are being weird about not following rules.
My home state has not had an outdoor mask mandate, but I am fully aware some areas did. It will just take time for some to readjust. Just like it took time to adjust to masks. I didn't judge maskless back then and I won't just mask wearers now.
Though indoors here we have a mandate through the end of the month so nothing can change here yet. Outdoors we do not mask and only did if the management asked (zoo and some metro parks did for a while). Last time I wore a mask outside (besides prepping to walk into a store) was March at the zoo as it was required. I'm comfortable with my vaccination status completely though.
Oh and I'm awfully tired of people judging masks in car wearers. In the winter it kept me warm and since I hate the cold, it stayed. PITA to remove with my mittens or fluffy gloves too and removing gloves outside in the cold wasn't happening either
(Being totally light hearted here, but truthful in keeping on for warmth
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Nickp1983
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I've been and still am a mask wearers. Fully vaccinated here and my 13 year old just go his 1st one. I'm sure stores here have dropped their mask mandate but I told my son he is wearing one until 2 weeks after his 2nd shot and even then, if a store mandates it, follow the rules.Well since I don't ever go to Sam's Club, you can guess what I am talking about
Generally speaking though understanding of all views really is needed. I even listen and try for those who are being weird about not following rules.
My home state has not had an outdoor mask mandate, but I am fully aware some areas did. It will just take time for some to readjust. Just like it took time to adjust to masks. I didn't just maskless then and I won't just mask wearers now.
Though indoors here we have a mandate through the end of the month so nothing can change here yet. Outdoors we do not mask and only did if the management asked (zoo and some metro parks did for a while). Last time I wore a mask outside (besides prepping to walk into a store) was March at the zoo as it was required. I'm comfortable with my vaccination status completely though.
Oh and I'm awfully tired of people judging masks in car wearers. In the winter it kept me warm and since I hate the cold, it stayed. PITA to remove with my mittens or fluffy gloves too and removing gloves outside in the cold wasn't happening either
(Being totally light hearted here, but truthful in keeping on for warmth
My take on people who are scared, even with Disney rolling back masks outside. I get it. I saw my brother (30) nearly die from covid. Healthy 30 year old and works a physical job, was probably 1 day away from death. Luckily his gf got him to the ER and remdesevir seemed to do the trick. So trust me, I get it. My only hope is, that people who are scared, turn off the news (good advice in general) and talk to their doctors.
correcaminos
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I do wear masks in public. There is a costume rental lady I worked with who I know was fully vaccinated, and inside her business, we both removed when no one else was there. So mentally I'm good. We are required indoors for the rest of this month. My 13yo has and will continue to mask at all places indoors until his time is up. After that we'll follow rules. I'll keep a stash in my purse and car to be safe.
I've lost loved ones and watched others struggle with covid. I wasn't able to see my aunt for the last year of her life really (one family member could go in and if was my dad and I didn't push for more - though we talked via duo). I really understood how serious this was starting March of last year. It will take time for some. I found out I was vaccinated in January though I had suspected it so my mental place is further along. Talking with my friend, it'd not even the news, it's just a change and humans often hate change. She's handling it well but anxiety creeps in.
People need time to reprogram brains. Some need time and ability to vaccinate. It'll be a slow change for some and sadly some may not adjust well at all. I'm just grateful these vaccines that I had little faith in happening last March are so good. Even when I signed up for the trial, I was grasping for hope. They sure delivered.
Flugell
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Better for the USA but pandemic nowhere near over.
India, Brazil, Mexico, Nepal etc. Etc.
Celebrate your victory absolutely but don’t forget the horror in parts of the world.
correcaminos
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Mexico? My friend said things are improving there. Just checked and their numbers are dropping. India is totally on my mind. Still horrible but looks like they are peaking. I hope Brasil can get more vaccinated soon to help with their numbers too.Better for the USA but pandemic nowhere near over.
India, Brazil, Mexico, Nepal etc. Etc.
Celebrate your victory absolutely but don’t forget the horror in parts of the world.
Flugell
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Brilliant phrase!
GoofGoof
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It’s a sunk cost. You just pay out the contract and be done. Even if they were supposed to give some level of notice to cancel I’m sure they could even negotiate less.
GoofGoof
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Yes, for sure. I don’t disagree that this approach is unproven and a gamble, but the other poster is suggesting we should have waited until 75% of the total population was vaccinated before dropping any restrictions. Essentially go into lockdown and stay there until 90%+ of eligible people get the shot or kids are approved and vaccinated in the late Fall or early Winter. In places like Israel they began removing restrictions as cases dropped and vaccinations rose. They didn’t wait to hit 75% of the total population, they are only at 60% now and their full economy has been opened for months and they have dropped masks outdoors. They still have indoor masking and some use of vaccine passports but they certainly didn’t keep all restrictions until 75% of the population was vaccinated.
ImperfectPixie
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IF Americans could be trusted to follow the rules, I think most who are freaking out a little right now wouldn't be. It's the large number of people we've been seeing flout the rules for the last 14 months that have us so concerned.
Chi84
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I'm surprised by the number of vaccinated people who are afraid to remove their masks because the people around them may not be vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, the vaccine is providing the kind of near-complete protection that is rarely seen in this world. The CDC's new guidelines are simply acknowledging and reflecting that fact.
The CDC gives guidelines but is not good about giving the reasons behind them. At the beginning, experts knew nothing about the virus and how it is transmitted, so measures were adopted that we later abandoned as unnecessary. Adopting those measures was the right thing to do at the time, given the state of scientific knowledge.
People are assuming outdoor mask mandates are being removed based on how many people are vaccinated and the number of infections. If that's the case, then I can understand people suggesting that the CDC should have waited until more people have had a chance to be vaccinated, the vaccine is available to children, the degree of spread is less, etc.
But I don't think that's what happened. These outdoor mask mandates were adopted at a time when little was known about transmission and there was no vaccine to stop or even slow down the virus. Going over the top made sense at that time. Since then, studies and real life experience have shown that outdoor transmission is exceedingly rare. It's not that we have now arrived at the point where masks outdoors can be safely removed; it's more that the science has developed to the point where we know this is not how the virus is transmitted and masks outdoors were never needed in the first place. (I'm not talking about large crowds, because the CDC is still recommending masks in that circumstance.)
The CDC gives guidelines but is not good about giving the reasons behind them. At the beginning, experts knew nothing about the virus and how it is transmitted, so measures were adopted that we later abandoned as unnecessary. Adopting those measures was the right thing to do at the time, given the state of scientific knowledge.
People are assuming outdoor mask mandates are being removed based on how many people are vaccinated and the number of infections. If that's the case, then I can understand people suggesting that the CDC should have waited until more people have had a chance to be vaccinated, the vaccine is available to children, the degree of spread is less, etc.
But I don't think that's what happened. These outdoor mask mandates were adopted at a time when little was known about transmission and there was no vaccine to stop or even slow down the virus. Going over the top made sense at that time. Since then, studies and real life experience have shown that outdoor transmission is exceedingly rare. It's not that we have now arrived at the point where masks outdoors can be safely removed; it's more that the science has developed to the point where we know this is not how the virus is transmitted and masks outdoors were never needed in the first place. (I'm not talking about large crowds, because the CDC is still recommending masks in that circumstance.)
AEfx
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Yeah, the constant "well Israel..." ignores the fact that Israel has a completely different national culture to begin with. We are talking about a country where by law everyone has to have a bomb shelter in their home, every citizen is required to participate in military service, and guards walk around airports with machine guns. They live in a society where temporary lockdowns were a regular, normal thing to begin with, pre-pandemic, where a siren tells them they need to go to their bomb shelter.
Comparing what has happened there with this is a completely different situation than the US is under in terms of the public being compliant to begin with.
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