Yes... But it’s the Brazil strain and potentially new NYC strain that are causing more problems.
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Yes... But it’s the Brazil strain and potentially new NYC strain that are causing more problems.
Today is a good day. NJ and NY both dropped one to 41 and 35 respectively and California dropped to just 7! Florida increased a tiny fraction to 20.9 so it is still at 21, but on the good side of 21.
1 state in the 40's
2 states in the 30's
7 stated in the 20's
35 states in the 10's
6 states in single digits.
The countries average is 16.6 per 100,000 over the past 7 days.
1 state in the 40's
2 states in the 30's
7 stated in the 20's
35 states in the 10's
6 states in single digits.
The countries average is 16.6 per 100,000 over the past 7 days.
You can't understand that a number of people will make a big deal if only schools are allowed to ease on social distancing? Have you observed people the past year?
DisneyFan32
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Is getting worse or variants will be over soon? Is not getting worse by few months?
correcaminos
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Pfizer-BioNTech Covid Shot Neutralizes Brazilian Strain in Lab
The Covid-19 vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE showed a high ability to neutralize coronavirus strains first detected in Brazil, the U.K. and South Africa, according to a new study.
www.bloomberg.com
From many articles, I'm reading about NYC that it doesn't seem to be an issue with vaccinations either. I assume from the little I read it is not so different to cause a concern.
It's not getting worse. The vaccines will keep variants from popping up too
GoofGoof
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Good news. I’m glad he did this and I hope it helps. Despite some people insisting the polling was wrong and there’s not an issue it appears at least Trump and Fox News recognized there was an issue. I’m happy he addressed the issue and did it firmly without leaving people some wink, wink, nod, nod out that they could use to continue resistance."I would recommend it and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it, and a lot of those people voted for me frankly," Trump said on Fox News, calling it "a great vaccine."
I’m an happily shocked he said this, thank you President Trump. I’m happy to be proven wrong.
Trump touts Covid-19 vaccine safety amid skepticism from Republicans
Recent polls suggest that the largest group of Americans either hesitant about the Covid-19 vaccines or outright opposed to them are Republicans.www.nbcnews.com
DisneyFan32
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@GoofGoof by summer or fall/winter there will be back to normal after all people got vaccinated and will the pandemic will finally end soon in USA with no more surges or waves? Also will NJ will get back to normal by Memorial Day weekend or July?
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pixie225
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No one can answer this question as no one knows what the future can bring. We can only hope.
GoofGoof
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I agree that we should continue to highlight the benefits of getting vaccinated. IMHO the government can’t necessarily mandate vaccinations or really even mask wearing, but in a capitalist society with mostly at-will employees it’s the employers who hold a lot of power. For example, I would advocate that the CDC update their guidance today to say once you are fully vaccinated (2 weeks post final vaccination) that masks are no longer necessary in a private setting. That keeps masks for public gatherings and public retail locations where it’s impossible to know who is vaccinated and who isn’t but allows employers to make the change in their workplace policy. After that guidance an employer can make a policy that their employees don’t need to wear a mask if they are vaccinated. The vast majority of people will get the vaccine as soon as that happens. Nobody wants to wear a mask all day at work, especially when the majority of their co-workers don’t have to. Employers can easily require employees provide proof of vaccination and make a policy that failure for an unvaccinated person to wear a mask is grounds for termination. Simple, legal way to force everyone to either get the vaccine or wear a mask indefinitely.
One other point on your statement. A large number of the people resisting vaccines today don’t feel Covid is a big risk or threat. They tend to be the same people who were moaning and crying about the economy for the past year. The economy, the economy, what about the economy. If those people actually really cared about the economy like they claimed they would get the vaccine as soon as it’s available to them for that reason alone. It’s a fact that the more people that get the vaccine the more the economy reopens and businesses can return to “normal”. The longer it takes to get people vaccinated the slower the broader economic recovery is to start. So even if they don’t feel the vaccine is necessary for them personally they should embrace it anyway as a way to help the economy they were so worried about this past year.
GoofGoof
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The variant in the NYC area is very similar to the UK variant. The same as the variant in CA. It’s expected that the vaccines are highly effective vs the UK variant and both of those wider spread domestic variants.
No.... The B.1526 variant is concerning for the E484K mutation (I get to use my genetics degree which is so rare for me), similar to what is found in Brazil.
The E484K mutation in the spike protein of SARS CoV-2 contributes to immune escape from monoclonal antibodies as well as neutralizing antibodies in COVID-19 convalescent plasma. It appears in two variants of concern – B.1.351 and P.1 - but has evolved multiple times in different SARS-CoV-2 lineages, suggesting an adaptive advantage. Here we report on the emergence of a 484K variant in the B.1.526 lineage that has recently become prevalent in New York State, particularly in the New York City metropolitan area. In addition to the E484K mutation, these variants also harbor a D235G substitution in spike that might help to reduce the efficacy of neutralizing antibodies.
The localized rise of a B.1.526 SARS-CoV-2 variant containing an E484K mutation in New York State
The E484K mutation in the spike protein of SARS CoV-2 contributes to immune escape from monoclonal antibodies as well as neutralizing antibodies in COVID-19 convalescent plasma. It appears in two variants of concern – B.1.351 and P.1 - but has evolved multiple times in different SARS-CoV-2...
www.medrxiv.org
None of this means vaccines won't work against it. But it does suggest that vaccines may be less effective, require boosters, etc.
Pfizer-BioNTech Covid Shot Neutralizes Brazilian Strain in Lab
The Covid-19 vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE showed a high ability to neutralize coronavirus strains first detected in Brazil, the U.K. and South Africa, according to a new study.
From many articles, I'm reading about NYC that it doesn't seem to be an issue with vaccinations either. I assume from the little I read it is not so different to cause a concern.
Might want to read a bit more:
New coronavirus variant in NYC has vaccine-evading mutation
New coronavirus variant in NYC has vaccine-evading mutation
The variant, dubbed B.1.526, is on the rise in the city.
Experts say the impact of the new B.1.526 variant on transmissibility, disease severity, and risk of reinfection is not known. But the Columbia study shows the variant shares some concerning characteristics with the variants identified in South Africa and Brazil, which may be less responsive to some treatments and vaccines.
More COVID-19 variants emerge closer to home: What to know about the ones discovered in Brazil, New York, California
Health experts are seeing red flags in coronavirus variants that were first discovered in Brazil, New York and California. Here's what they say.
www.usatoday.com
Scientists concerned over New York's 'escape variant'
Coronavirus Vaccine Updates: Scientists concerned over New York's 'escape variant'
Health officials are warning about a COVID-19 variant spreading in New York, saying the current vaccines may be less effective against the new strain as more Americans are getting the shots.
abc7ny.com
"particularly in the New York City metropolitan area. In addition to the E484K mutation, these variants also harbor a D235G substitution in spike that might help to reduce the efficacy of neutralizing antibodies."
The localized rise of a B.1.526 SARS-CoV-2 variant containing an E484K mutation in New York State
The E484K mutation in the spike protein of SARS CoV-2 contributes to immune escape from monoclonal antibodies as well as neutralizing antibodies in COVID-19 convalescent plasma. It appears in two variants of concern – B.1.351 and P.1 - but has evolved multiple times in different SARS-CoV-2...
www.medrxiv.org
Yes -- It is quite different, and quite a reason for concern. It is hoped and expected vaccines will remain effective, though they are expected to be less effective, may require boosters, etc.
GoofGoof
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But the officials said they've seen no evidence that the New York City variant is deadlier or more vaccine resistant than earlier forms of the virus.No.... The B.1526 variant is concerning for the E484K mutation (I get to use my genetics degree which is so rare for me), similar to what is found in Brazil.
The E484K mutation in the spike protein of SARS CoV-2 contributes to immune escape from monoclonal antibodies as well as neutralizing antibodies in COVID-19 convalescent plasma. It appears in two variants of concern – B.1.351 and P.1 - but has evolved multiple times in different SARS-CoV-2 lineages, suggesting an adaptive advantage. Here we report on the emergence of a 484K variant in the B.1.526 lineage that has recently become prevalent in New York State, particularly in the New York City metropolitan area. In addition to the E484K mutation, these variants also harbor a D235G substitution in spike that might help to reduce the efficacy of neutralizing antibodies.
The localized rise of a B.1.526 SARS-CoV-2 variant containing an E484K mutation in New York State
The E484K mutation in the spike protein of SARS CoV-2 contributes to immune escape from monoclonal antibodies as well as neutralizing antibodies in COVID-19 convalescent plasma. It appears in two variants of concern – B.1.351 and P.1 - but has evolved multiple times in different SARS-CoV-2...
None of this means vaccines won't work against it. But it does suggest that vaccines may be less effective, require boosters, etc.
The variant is very new and just now increasing fast. It likely is a reason that while cases and deaths are declining across the country, they are stagnating/rising in the Northeast.
You're citing one line, attributed to unidentified "officials" basically giving an anecdotal statement. The reality is -- They don't know. Those officials haven't studied it. The variants are way too new and vaccinations too recent to really know the effect.
There has not been a single study showing "95% effectiveness" against the B.1521 variant. All we have so far, "it looks like vaccines are working."
The scientific community is indeed studying it -- And they have expressed concerns. Answers aren't instantaneous. There are reasons for optimism (a lab based study showed Pfizer vaccine still neutralized the new variant), and there are reasons for concern (other studies have shown a much weaker vaccine anti-body response to the new variant).
correcaminos
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I read every article and even searched for key phrases and outside of someone speculating without cause I don't see where you are getting your ideas from. A reduction does not mean it doesn't work at all. That's been discussed many times ad nauseum and it doesn't quite mean what people think it does. Treatments don't matter and articles not peer reviewed are ones to watch out for. Also, see below:Might want to read a bit more:
New coronavirus variant in NYC has vaccine-evading mutation
New coronavirus variant in NYC has vaccine-evading mutation
The variant, dubbed B.1.526, is on the rise in the city.www.livescience.com
Experts say the impact of the new B.1.526 variant on transmissibility, disease severity, and risk of reinfection is not known. But the Columbia study shows the variant shares some concerning characteristics with the variants identified in South Africa and Brazil, which may be less responsive to some treatments and vaccines.
More COVID-19 variants emerge closer to home: What to know about the ones discovered in Brazil, New York, California
Health experts are seeing red flags in coronavirus variants that were first discovered in Brazil, New York and California. Here's what they say.www.usatoday.com
Scientists concerned over New York's 'escape variant'
Coronavirus Vaccine Updates: Scientists concerned over New York's 'escape variant'
Health officials are warning about a COVID-19 variant spreading in New York, saying the current vaccines may be less effective against the new strain as more Americans are getting the shots.
"particularly in the New York City metropolitan area. In addition to the E484K mutation, these variants also harbor a D235G substitution in spike that might help to reduce the efficacy of neutralizing antibodies."
The localized rise of a B.1.526 SARS-CoV-2 variant containing an E484K mutation in New York State
The E484K mutation in the spike protein of SARS CoV-2 contributes to immune escape from monoclonal antibodies as well as neutralizing antibodies in COVID-19 convalescent plasma. It appears in two variants of concern – B.1.351 and P.1 - but has evolved multiple times in different SARS-CoV-2...
Yes -- It is quite different, and quite a reason for concern. It is hoped and expected vaccines will remain effective, though they are expected to be less effective, may require boosters, etc.
I've seen this every time I read.
The media is not our friend in many many many cases. They sensationalize for clicks. They instill fear and always have. It's getting tiresome to try to filter out what is just clickbait really vs what is something we need to worry about.
Now we will never get back to normal, thanks alot variants, it's end of everything......it's over for me.....
lol.... It's likely we can still get out of this with vaccines.
Likely Best case scenario -- get enough people vaccinated, and the vaccines are effective enough, that this thing really does go away.
Likely worst case scenario -- vaccines are a bit less effective, require annual booster shots, as we constantly fight off the newer variants, and it does become something like the flu -- something we do learn to live with, at much lower levels than we have right now.
I never said it doesn't work at all. I said it's likely less effective. Less than the 95%+ we are seeing against the Wuhan and UK variants.
And I get my ideas from reading scientific journals, peer reviewed studies, etc.
New coronavirus variant in NYC has vaccine-evading mutation
The variant, dubbed B.1.526, is on the rise in the city.
TrainsOfDisney
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That’s not accurate is it? Only if everyone in the private setting is vaccinated is it safe to meet without masks I thought.
Now some good news as to the efficacy of the vaccine effort:
Israel has partially vaccinated 57% of the population --- about 47% are fully vaccinated.
Today, Israel reported only 611 new cases and 3 deaths. (Population-wise, Israel is about the size of the state of Georgia)
The case number is the type they haven't seen since November. The death number is at about the lowest of the last 6 months+.
And it doesn't appear to be a 1 day reporting fluke. Deaths have been under 20 per day for a week. Cases have mostly been under 2,000 per day for the last week, they are falling quickly.
I'd take a hard look at Israel over the next week. I'd also take a hard look in 2-3 weeks. Passover is coming in 10 days to Israel, which is like Thanksgiving here: Extended families congregating for dinner and get togethers. It can give us an idea of what Memorial day / July 4th might be for us. How much, or how little of a spike, do they get for the holiday with 50% of the population vaccinated.
Israel has partially vaccinated 57% of the population --- about 47% are fully vaccinated.
Today, Israel reported only 611 new cases and 3 deaths. (Population-wise, Israel is about the size of the state of Georgia)
The case number is the type they haven't seen since November. The death number is at about the lowest of the last 6 months+.
And it doesn't appear to be a 1 day reporting fluke. Deaths have been under 20 per day for a week. Cases have mostly been under 2,000 per day for the last week, they are falling quickly.
I'd take a hard look at Israel over the next week. I'd also take a hard look in 2-3 weeks. Passover is coming in 10 days to Israel, which is like Thanksgiving here: Extended families congregating for dinner and get togethers. It can give us an idea of what Memorial day / July 4th might be for us. How much, or how little of a spike, do they get for the holiday with 50% of the population vaccinated.
I thought they already updated their guidance along those lines:
When fully vaccinated, you can congregate in small settings with low risk individuals who aren't vaccinated.
Per the CDC:
- You can gather indoors with fully vaccinated people without wearing a mask.
- You can gather indoors with unvaccinated people from one other household (for example, visiting with relatives who all live together) without masks, unless any of those people or anyone they live with has an increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.
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