Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

I would like to know why travel to Mexico is allowed. According to this article it is suppose to be essential travel. I know someone who took a 2 week vacation in Cancun. So travel to Mexico is ok but nowhere else?

Americans Can Travel to Mexico with Restrictions—Here's How (afar.com)

(How exactly nonessential travel is defined is problematic in and of itself—in short, there is no set-in-stone definition.)

I guess everyone says it's business?

That is a question that one should ask the President of Mexico. Mexico has been open for travelers including US citizens ( business, essential and leisure ) for at least a few months . That is no secret. If our country can step up and restrict our citizens and non citizens who live here in the USA to not travel there, that is another story. But then again it is that attitude of a few ... " My freedom , my face .... " putting their freedom first and possibly jepaordizing their lives and lives of others.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The incoming Biden administration said they'd be revoking that last minute Trump administration lifting of the ban as soon as it was announced days before the inauguration.

I'm surprised it wasn't rescinded in the first batch of Executive Orders.

Perhaps, unlike the previous administration, they're taking the time for the lawyers to draft and go over the EOs so that they're not immediately struck down by a court.

They’re probably not using the new “policy” of lawyers in complete disrepute that will accept non-payment of services?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Also 38 US Capitol police officers now have tested positive for Covid defending the Capitol against mostly maskless invaders. That controversial attitude of my freedom my face surely got those brave law enforcement personnel infected with Covid when they came in close direct contact with those maskless thugs.

Saw that...infuriating.

The whole “thing” with that attitude now is simply resistance to being told they’re wrong or not wanting to feel dumb.

But that’s life when you’re wrong...and there’s no way to change the reality. It’s horrible people don’t have to account for their mistakes.

 

[Kevin_W]

But then again it is that attitude of a few ... " My freedom , my face .... " putting their freedom first and possibly jeapordizing their lives and lives of others.

As an extreme example of this: A

t my wife's clinic, the patient restroom is only a few feet away from the front desk/office so you can clearly hear the toilet flush/sink run after use. She has one patient where you do not hear the sink run. And he proudly proclaims that he doesn't wash his hands after using the restroom "because that's how you build your immune system". I'm not sure what you say to someone like that to start educating them.

They sanitize everything between patients anyway, but they take special care after that one.

 

[Shouldigo12]

Wa

This is maybe the best post here...and we’ve had some doozies...

Wait...I picked the wrong word...it wasn’t “best”

I would like to buy everyone in this thread - even those that I don’t agree with - a fine spirit at the Epcot location of their choosing...after this is over.

Cept maybe you.

Be sure to fly your truck flag at half mast

It's not alcohol, but I could go for a scoop of ice cream from L' Artisans de Glaces.

Oh, wait. I'm not paying. Make that a double.

 

[MisterPenguin]

That is a question that one should ask the President of Mexico.

You may have to wait to ask him. He just contracted COVID. And he was the type of leader that dismissed COVID.

The Mexican leader has consistently played down the pandemic, questioning the value of wearing masks and refusing to wear one himself in most public appearances.​

Mexico’s president is the latest world leader to become infected with the coronavirus. (Published 2021)

Andrés Manuel López Obrador has scoffed at precautions to stop the spread of the coronavirus. Now he has it.

www.nytimes.com

Biden "stayed in his basement," wore two masks, enforced protocols around him, got vaccinated. So, not only did he not get the virus, he won't (or technically, he'll be resilient to immediately fight it off).

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You may have to wait to ask him. He just contracted COVID. And he was the type of leader that dismissed COVID.

The Mexican leader has consistently played down the pandemic, questioning the value of wearing masks and refusing to wear one himself in most public appearances.​

Mexico’s president is the latest world leader to become infected with the coronavirus. (Published 2021)

Andrés Manuel López Obrador has scoffed at precautions to stop the spread of the coronavirus. Now he has it.

www.nytimes.com

Biden "stayed in his basement," wore two masks, enforced protocols around him, got vaccinated. So, not only did he not get the virus, he won't (or technically, he'll be resilient to immediately fight it off).

There was discussion about this guy on one of that Sunday news programs yesterday...I had no idea...

I thought they were setting it up to talk about Bolsanaro on the tease...

 

[Polkadotdress]

The general public should be able to have access to the vaccine in mid-to-late summer.

Coronavirus variant first spotted in Brazil found in the US for the first time

It's a race between vaccines and variants, as health experts say the US must speed up shots before a highly contagious strain of coronavirus spreads more rapidly.

www.cnn.com

 

[seascape]

The general public should be able to have access to the vaccine in mid-to-late summer.

Coronavirus variant first spotted in Brazil found in the US for the first time

It's a race between vaccines and variants, as health experts say the US must speed up shots before a highly contagious strain of coronavirus spreads more rapidly.

www.cnn.com

With Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca coming soon, there is no excuse for the country not being vaccinated by July 1. Only the extremely low goals set by the new Administration and main Street media have pushed the goals back too far. This is the same peoplecwho said no vaccine would be available before July 2021. I guess they want all the credit for the work done by others.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The general public should be able to have access to the vaccine in mid-to-late summer.

Coronavirus variant first spotted in Brazil found in the US for the first time

It's a race between vaccines and variants, as health experts say the US must speed up shots before a highly contagious strain of coronavirus spreads more rapidly.

www.cnn.com

They have to speed it up... the politics/economics are getting close to a critical juncture...I fear we are gonna be out of time first

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

With Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca coming soon, there is no excuse for the country not being vaccinated by July 1. Only the extremely low goals set by the new Administration and main Street media have pushed the goals back too far. This is the same peoplecwho said no vaccine would be available before July 2021. I guess they want all the credit for the work done by others.

It’s not a conspiracy...it’s logistics. They were buffoons. Change the channel.

 

[Heppenheimer]

The general public should be able to have access to the vaccine in mid-to-late summer.

Coronavirus variant first spotted in Brazil found in the US for the first time

It's a race between vaccines and variants, as health experts say the US must speed up shots before a highly contagious strain of coronavirus spreads more rapidly.

www.cnn.com

If that's the case, we're not going to see a big rebound in travel this summer.

 

[Polkadotdress]

With Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca coming soon, there is no excuse for the country not being vaccinated by July 1. Only the extremely low goals set by the new Administration and main Street media have pushed the goals back too far. This is the same peoplecwho said no vaccine would be available before July 2021. I guess they want all the credit for the work done by others.

One of the more alarming quotes from the article, from Dr Rochelle Walensky, new director of the CDC:

"I would say one of the biggest problems right now is I can't tell you how much vaccine we have," Walensky told Fox News. "If I can't tell it to you, then I can't tell it to the governors and I can't tell it to the state health officials."

 

[MisterPenguin]

With Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca coming soon, there is no excuse for the country not being vaccinated by July 1. Only the extremely low goals set by the new Administration and main Street media have pushed the goals back too far. This is the same peoplecwho said no vaccine would be available before July 2021. I guess they want all the credit for the work done by others.

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You: there is no excuse for the country not being vaccinated by July 1​

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Article: 'Healthy, young' Americans will likely get Covid-19 vaccine in mid- to late summer, expert says​

You know that July 1 is mid- to late summer, right? The article is agreeing with you. Why do you think it isn't?


As far the 100 million vaccines in 100 days, that was said back in the Trump administration when the Trump administration was completely failing at not meeting its goal of 20 million vaccines by the end of December.

The 100/100 is modest because there has always been, and still is, the possibility that something could go wrong with the JnJ and Astra vaccines. If they never got approved, then getting past 100/100 would be quite difficult. Those who are saying "100/100 is too modest" are counting their vaccines before they hatch.

Also, I remember quite well that for most of 2020, people were arguing whether the vaccines would be ready by October, November, or December of 2020. Who exactly was saying not until July of 2021?

 

[Archie123]

With Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca coming soon, there is no excuse for the country not being vaccinated by July 1. Only the extremely low goals set by the new Administration and main Street media have pushed the goals back too far. This is the same peoplecwho said no vaccine would be available before July 2021. I guess they want all the credit for the work done by others.

You believe your party WAY to much. Now that we have someone who believes in science and will work with the experts we will see a better coordinated rollout.

 

[GoofGoof]

With Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca coming soon, there is no excuse for the country not being vaccinated by July 1. Only the extremely low goals set by the new Administration and main Street media have pushed the goals back too far. This is the same peoplecwho said no vaccine would be available before July 2021. I guess they want all the credit for the work done by others.

Assuming both of those vaccines are approved I 100% agree. We are now doing close to 1.5M doses a day with 2 vaccines. You double to 4 vaccines and that’s 3M. Dumb math which ignores the complexities of the different manufacturing processes, but the point is we should be able to ramp up dramatically. The states are now showing that there’s no issue with the capacity to use the shots, all delays are now related to not having enough shots. This is especially true wuth JnJ which can do a full 100M people by July 1 with only 1 shot.

 

[DisneyCane]

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Why Vaccines Alone Will Not End the Pandemic (Published 2021)

New estimates suggest the vaccine rollout is no match for the severity of the U.S. outbreak, and stricter social distancing measures are needed to reduce infections.

www.nytimes.com

So we need to "mitigate" more based on a model that is considering/predicting an enormous number of asymptomatic infections while the population most vulnerable to serious illness and death are being vaccinated which will make the infection fatality rate drop significantly?

This guy is basing everything on the assumption that more than four times the number of infections have happened than have been reported. Assuming his assumption is correct, that means the IFR is around 0.5% INCLUDING THE 65 AND OVER POPULATION. Even if his projection is correct, once you vaccinate that population, who really cares?

Let's put in more restrictions until late July so that we can prevent 19 million infections, 75% of which are asymptomatic or too mild to ever get tested for and 25% of which will have an IFR of maybe 0.1%?

Talk about a "study" that is released with an objective to add more authoritarian control. No restrictions currently in place are likely to be lifted in February so the big scare number of 29 million additional infections can be completely ignored. Since he seems to be talking about social distancing and masks, I don't see many of those lifted in mid-March either.

Enough already. Once the 65+ population is vaccinated (hopefully whatever States haven't switched to that priority will soon), 80% of the deaths and over 50% of the hospitalizations will be eliminated. That means that even if the infections among the 64 and under population doubled on a daily basis, there would be the same strain on the hospital system and 60% fewer deaths. Even the worst case projection doesn't have a doubling happening.

The restrictions lifted in mid-March graph in the article looks fine to me.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If that's the case, we're not going to see a big rebound in travel this summer.

Nope...not looking that way anyway.

I think they are sandbagging it a bit...I have little doubt they expect to move faster...

The problem is normal politics is settling back in. We have the standard obstructionist battle lines being drawn

 

[seascape]

It’s not a conspiracy...it’s logistics. They were buffoons. Change the channel.

The logistics say the country should be fully vaccinated by July 1 if we use all the vaccines. Why would anyone deny scientific facts. The EU is already using AstraZeneca and we should too. The CDC is not working in the interest of US Citizens by not approving it on an emergency basis. The new Administration should follow the lead of the Obama Administration which approved the Ebola vaccine prior to completing stage 3 testing and approve AstraZeneca's vaccine today.

 

[MisterPenguin]

One of the more alarming quotes from the article, from Dr Rochelle Walensky, new director of the CDC:

"I would say one of the biggest problems right now is I can't tell you how much vaccine we have," Walensky told Fox News. "If I can't tell it to you, then I can't tell it to the governors and I can't tell it to the state health officials."

It still boggles me.

The manufacturers have said that they have shipped out all they have. Which means we cannot possibly vaccinate any faster than we currently are... **if and only if**... the states are using everything that is shipped to them.

And yet, states have, on average, only used 50% of the vaccines given to them to distribute. Does that represent set-asides for LTC facilities they still haven't gotten to yet? Are they holding back supply so that they have the 2nd dose ready?

At least we've ruled out the manufacturers or the feds as the source of holding things back. So, what are the states doing with their stockpile?

It is... disconcerting... the amount of lack of oversight. Hopefully the new administration can straighten it out.