Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Jrb1979]

Go read my original post and stop for the love of god attacking a position I never ever made. Or I will report. I’m sick of it.

@GoofGoof are you the only one who has reading comprehension?

I have reading comprehension. Your original point was that the math in that post was wrong as deaths from Covid are dependent on age.

 

[SamusAranX]

I have reading comprehension. Your original point was that the math in that post was wrong as deaths from Covid are dependent on age.

I have reading comprehension. Your original point was that the math in that post was wrong as deaths from Covid are dependent on age.

No, you don’t:

“Actually, statistically, for most age groups, it is 99 percent chance of survival. So that’s not flat out wrong. Doesn’t mean we should throw all caution to the wind either.”

And now you and other posters are trying to say I am against wearing a mask, and getting rid of precautions, etc, because I am not.

Just because I have a high survival rate, doesn’t mean everyone else does, which is why I wear a mask and keep my distance when I am in public and apply the protocols and principles in my own life. I never used it once EVER in this thread to justify eliminating precautions. Everyone has a different situation. I have repeatedly stated in this thread how hard it has been to avoid my father and mother, grandparents, and other family. But I do it anyway. I have also repeatedly stated that I have no problem with government restrictions as I believe in doing them even though Florida has “reopened” and put their fingers in their ears and head in the sand. I am about balance. We can live our lives and enjoy certain things (depending on your circumstances) while still showing a respect to others who aren’t so fortunate to be in a lower risk category.

 

[GoofGoof]

And here’s a good one on risk rates:

What Is Your Risk Of Dying From Covid-19?

Covid-19 has increased the risk of death for the average American by about 10 percent, but this increase in risk is much higher for seniors than children.

www.forbes.com

I admit I am a little bit perturbed as no one seems to grasp my original point and think of me as covid denier when in fact I am not

The problem with that kind of logic is its downplaying the overall situation. If I’m young and healthy my chances of dying are very low if I do get sick. That’s true but it also gives some people a false sense of security and for some people the green light to do things they probably shouldn’t. There are other negative outcomes with Covid besides death. It’s no picnic getting this virus for a lot of people. There’s a mental toll on yourself or your loved ones as well. Your parents or children or spouse or other loved ones are still impacted if you get sick but don’t die. Around half of current hospitalizations are still in people under 65. I know a few people personally who had younger family members go to the hospital and it’s really quite scary. No amount of statistics helps when you are worried about a loved one who could possibly end up going on a ventilator and/or die. It’s easy to throw around numbers but for the people on the wrong end of the stats the pain is every bit as real.

There’s also a negative impact from who you spread it to. Not all of the 65+ that make up the majority of deaths were infected by other 65+ people. I know it’s beating a dead horse but its not just about me or my willingness to take a risk for myself. I think that’s why people may appear to not grasp what you are saying. Whether you realize it or not what you are saying is a very common and popular talking point for Covid deniers. Saying there’s a 99% chance of survival is saying it’s no big deal. So not denying that Covid exists or saying it’s a hoax, just denying that it’s a big deal. Still Covid denial.

 

[SamusAranX]

The problem with that kind of logic is its downplaying the overall situation. If I’m young and healthy my chances of dying are very low if I do get sick. That’s true but it also gives some people a false sense of security and for some people the green light to do things they probably shouldn’t. There are other negative outcomes with Covid besides death. It’s no picnic getting this virus for a lot of people. There’s a mental toll on yourself or your loved ones as well. Your parents or children or spouse or other loved ones are still impacted if you get sick but don’t die. Around half of current hospitalizations are still in people under 65. I know a few people personally who had younger family members go to the hospital and it’s really quite scary. No amount of statistics helps when you are worried about a loved one who could possibly end up going on a ventilator and/or die. It’s easy to throw around numbers but for the people on the wrong end of the stats the pain is every bit as real.

There’s also a negative impact from who you spread it to. Not all of the 65+ that make up the majority of deaths were infected by other 65+ people. I know it’s beating a dead horse but its not just about me or my willingness to take a risk for myself. I think that’s why people may appear to not grasp what you are saying. Whether you realize it or not what you are saying is a very common and popular talking point for Covid deniers. Saying there’s a 99% chance of survival is saying it’s no big deal. So not denying that Covid exists or saying it’s a hoax, just denying that it’s a big deal. Still Covid denial.

I never said it isn’t a big deal in this thread.

99 percent helps me to keep any fears I have (which I do) in proper perspective. Covid is the not plague but it’s not something to sneeze at (no pun intended) either.

 

[GoofGoof]

Go read my original post and stop for the love of god attacking a position I never ever made. Or I will report. I’m sick of it.

@GoofGoof are you the only one who has reading comprehension? Because you are the only one who hasn’t attacked me yet

I’m not attacking you personally by saying any of this. I don’t believe you have ill intent when saying what you are saying.

 

[GoofGoof]

I never said it isn’t a big deal in this thread.

99 percent helps me to keep any fears I have (which I do) in proper perspective. Covid is the not plague but it’s not something to sneeze at (no pun intended) either.

Not you personally, in general the other people who throw around the 99% stat are using it to say it’s no big deal.

 

[SamusAranX]

I’m not attacking you personally by saying any of this. I don’t believe you have ill intent when saying what you are saying.

No, I don’t think you are. I’ve tagged you by far are one of the best posters in this thread and seem to have a good handle on what my posts say, not what others misrepresented them as

 

[easyrowrdw]

Saying there’s a 99% chance of survival is saying it’s no big deal. So not denying that Covid exists or saying it’s a hoax, just denying that it’s a big deal. Still Covid denial.

No, it's not.

 

[SamusAranX]

Not you personally, in general the other people who throw around the 99% stat are using it to say it’s no big deal.

Right, which is why I put my disclaimer about not getting rid of caution, but certain posters didn’t seem to understand that or were unwilling to and therefore associated me with said deniers.

 

[Des]

Right, which is why I put my disclaimer about not getting rid of caution, but certain posters didn’t seem to understand that or were unwilling to and therefore associated me with said deniers.

I agree with you originally, and, if you look at the statistics /graphs , its around age 70 yrs things really hit home bad. No, not being 70 but the data shows that on avg . around that age chances of survival really drop. Discussion on the stats had nothing to do with a mask message .

 

[GoofGoof]

No, it's not.

There’s no formal definition of Covid denial so I chose to define it as either denying the existence or severity of Covid.

 

[GoofGoof]

Right, which is why I put my disclaimer about not getting rid of caution, but certain posters didn’t seem to understand that or were unwilling to and therefore associated me with said deniers.

I get what you are saying. I certainly want no part of catching Covid myself but as a mostly healthy 44 year old I’m more concerned for my parents and older relatives. I don’t think that’s an unreasonable line of thinking. It crosses the line into a form of Covid denial when people say they don’t think they should be restricted from doing XYZ because they are young and healthy and so extremely unlikely to have a negative outcome. I didn’t take from your posts that you were saying that at all.

 

[Jrb1979]

Right, which is why I put my disclaimer about not getting rid of caution, but certain posters didn’t seem to understand that or were unwilling to and therefore associated me with said deniers.

I don't associate you with said deniers at all. I don't think going on about survivability helps though.

 

[Rich Brownn]

My friend who died was 27 and in good health. Yet it took only 2 weeks for COVID to kill him. (Also currently the survival rate for closed cases is 97% It's 99% if you include the people still sick.)

 

[Des]

Anyone know or have a reliable source of Covid rates at WDW and it's resorts? Thank you in advance!

 

[Jrb1979]

Anyone know or have a reliable source of Covid rates at WDW and it's resorts? Thank you in advance!

You will never know how "safe" WDW is as contact tracing isn't happening.

 

[Des]

You will never know how "safe" WDW is as contact tracing isn't happening.

I get it jrb.
I did not ask about safety.
Would appreciate anything someone might post.

 

[GoofGoof]

Anyone know or have a reliable source of Covid rates at WDW and it's resorts? Thank you in advance!

I haven’t seen anything official. On a few occasions local officials in statements have said the major theme parks have not had any large outbreaks associated with them. There have been some anecdotal stories of CMs getting sick and most recently the guy who died on a United flight from Orlando to LA had Covid and allegedly was at WDW before he boarded the flight. Obviously Disney is not going to to put out those types of numbers publicly. They know how many CMs have tested positive but even that there‘s no guarantee they were infected at work. Could have been infected by a spouse or family member or at a non-Disney restaurant or retail store after their shift. There is no way of knowing how many people were infected at WDW. The only thing we know for sure is it’s more than zero and there have been no mass outbreaks or that would have for sure made the news.

 

[Des]

I haven’t seen anything official. On a few occasions local officials in statements have said the major theme parks have not had any large outbreaks associated with them. There have been some anecdotal stories of CMs getting sick and most recently the guy who died on a United flight from Orlando to LA had Covid and allegedly was at WDW before he boarded the flight. Obviously Disney is not going to to put out those types of numbers publicly. They know how many CMs have tested positive but even that there‘s no guarantee they were infected at work. Could have been infected by a spouse or family member or at a non-Disney restaurant or retail store after their shift. There is no way of knowing how many people were infected at WDW. The only thing we know for sure is it’s more than zero and there have been no mass outbreaks or that would have for sure made the news.

Appreciate it.
I've seen the same. I did read an article from The Economist and the NYTimes which, to their chagrin, did praise wdw in their own way -wdw following cdc guidelines etc and doing well. This was before the current surge (I think sometime in later summer) however.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

1 in 1000 Americans have perished due to covid related causes...if you believe in numbers.

No one should be at Walt Disney world until this is controlled.

Just my opinion that unfortunately fits the information available.

There’s always 2021