Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Sirwalterraleigh

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From the Pfizer site (I would add link, but in the past that has hidden posts I made for many, many hours).

The animal studies would suggest (and they are only animal studies) that the life expectancy of the virus in a Pfizer vaccinated host is short(Bullet 2 and 3). (3 days or less.). How viable transmission is in that short window, likely has not been studied.

That complicates things...

So the vaccinated can likely spread it. Not good if you run...oh, I don’t know...an amusement park??
 

DCBaker

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"American Airlines will now offer pre-flight, at-home COVID-19 test kits to passengers who are flying to a U.S. state with travel restrictions. American is the first U.S. carrier to expand testing access for domestic destinations.

Through the airline's partnership with LetsGetChecked, passengers will be able to purchase the COVID-19 testing kit online on Dec. 9 for travel starting on Dec. 12 for $129. The test involves a nasal swab and subsequent PCR lab analysis. LetsGetChecked says customers will receive their results within one to two days of their sample reaching the lab."

"We’ve made great strides to help open international travel with our testing partners, and we recognize the need for similar domestic travel solutions,” American Airlines Chief Customer Officer Alison Taylor said in a release. “As travel requirements continue to quickly evolve, we’re simplifying the research and COVID-19 testing fulfillment process for an overall more seamless travel experience.”

 

Disney Experience

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"American Airlines will now offer pre-flight, at-home COVID-19 test kits to passengers who are flying to a U.S. state with travel restrictions. American is the first U.S. carrier to expand testing access for domestic destinations.

Through the airline's partnership with LetsGetChecked, passengers will be able to purchase the COVID-19 testing kit online on Dec. 9 for travel starting on Dec. 12 for $129. The test involves a nasal swab and subsequent PCR lab analysis. LetsGetChecked says customers will receive their results within one to two days of their sample reaching the lab."

"We’ve made great strides to help open international travel with our testing partners, and we recognize the need for similar domestic travel solutions,” American Airlines Chief Customer Officer Alison Taylor said in a release. “As travel requirements continue to quickly evolve, we’re simplifying the research and COVID-19 testing fulfillment process for an overall more seamless travel experience.”

That will make trips easier. I was originally planning on honeymooning at Jade Mountain on St. Lucia. They have had very, very few covid cases. You could travel from the USA to there in October, but you needed a negative PCR covid test within 7 days before boarding flight. (You were also quarantined to your resort, or other "bubble" resorts).

Because of logistics I really only had 3 days before flight to get tested. The inexpensive or free tests here in Florida would not guarantee results in time. Passport Health would, but at $250 per person.[That was my plan before trip was cancelled for other reason]. So America Airlines partnership to get people test results in one or two days is great.
 

Disney Experience

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Sirwalterraleigh

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Unless everyone else is also vaccinated. Then it would seem okay.

Maybe we need one of those “guy peeing on another guy” charts, but for vaccinations. (This is a joke. Please, no one make a chart.)

Ok...but I’m getting the “what’s the problem with getting 8 billion vaccinated (I think the UK is up a couple dozen now 👏)?” Vibe from you??

I’m near sure I’m wrong...but if I’m not, it’s not that easy. You of course know that.

Right now the polling says about 59% of Americans are down with the vaccine. Those numbers break HARD on demographics and preferences. To put it succinctly: it could be a one party system in two years at that rate.

Now that will move...people will fall in...but it’s gonna be tough sledding
 

seascape

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Ok...but I’m getting the “what’s the problem with getting 8 billion vaccinated (I think the UK is up a couple dozen now 👏)?” Vibe from you??

I’m near sure I’m wrong...but if I’m not, it’s not that easy. You of course know that.

Right now the polling says about 59% of Americans are down with the vaccine. Those numbers break HARD on demographics and preferences. To put it succinctly: it could be a one party system in two years at that rate.

Now that will move...people will fall in...but it’s gonna be tough sledding
Whih party? Every Republican I know is taking the vaccine and many Democrats here are taking it. According to the polls the minority communities are the ones who oppose taking it.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Whih party? Every Republican I know is taking the vaccine and many Democrats here are taking it. According to the polls the minority communities are the ones who oppose taking it.

Not the way I interpreted it. It more breaks on monetary means. And contrary to out dated myth...all the po people aren’t in one party. It’s actually sliding heavily the other direction.

Where are you again?
 

Chi84

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Ok...but I’m getting the “what’s the problem with getting 8 billion vaccinated (I think the UK is up a couple dozen now 👏)?” Vibe from you??

I’m near sure I’m wrong...but if I’m not, it’s not that easy. You of course know that.

Right now the polling says about 59% of Americans are down with the vaccine. Those numbers break HARD on demographics and preferences. To put it succinctly: it could be a one party system in two years at that rate.

Now that will move...people will fall in...but it’s gonna be tough sledding
I don’t buy the 59% number at all. We’ve never experienced anything like this, so it’s hard to predict how people and businesses (especially airlines and entertainment venues) are going to react.

I would love to see vaccination requirements. They can microchip me like the family pet if it would allow me to avoid these restrictions.
 

GoofGoof

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Whih party? Every Republican I know is taking the vaccine and many Democrats here are taking it. According to the polls the minority communities are the ones who oppose taking it.
It’s up to 63% now with the most recent poll.

On political affiliation 75% of Democrats, 50% of Republicans and 61% of independents polled said they would take the vaccine. I think that’s a clear reflection of the months on end of Covid denial from Trump and his crew. Even though he has supported the vaccine all along his constant attempts to downplay the seriousness of the virus leads to a lot of peope saying they won’t take an unproven vaccine for a virus that is not so bad. The opposite approach happened for the other side who talk more about how bad it is. I think the Republican number goes up if Governors in Red states actively advocate the vaccine is needed. The economy is depending on this.

Interesting statistic: 53% of non-white adults say they will take the vaccine which is higher than the percent of Republicans overall. I too thought that the biggest group that needed to be convinced would be inner city minorities who generally have less trust of the government. It’s possible there’s some overlap and some of the no’s are non-white Republicans so they are in both groups.

 

GoofGoof

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Not the way I interpreted it. It more breaks on monetary means. And contrary to out dated myth...all the po people aren’t in one party. It’s actually sliding heavily the other direction.

Where are you again?
No college degree 61%, college degree 68% so not as big a discrepancy as I would have thought. It may be that many people without a college degree are working in retail type jobs right now and have experienced a disproportionate number of Covid infections and/or they are unemployed due to business closures and are more willing to get vaccinated due to a desire to get back to work. I would think more educated would mean more trust in science but it seems political pull is a bigger factor.
 

Disstevefan1

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See, I think Disney is learning from this experience. They’re learning how much (or how little) effect a full fireworks display has on the number of people to come to the parks. What a pain it is to work with actors and equity unions when it’s cheaper and easier to cut live shows in favor of movie preview clip shows and minimum-wage CMs “acting” their parts in Galaxy’s Edge.

I guess I hope I’m wrong, but if Disney realizes that a cavalcade is ”magical enough” for most park guests, I don’t think parades are coming back. At least not parades as they were.
I like the cavalcade and here’s why. Deciding to attend a parade is an investment. You must take large chunk of time and get into position well in advance and hope a large and tall family does not decide to squeeze into your spot! The parades and fireworks for that matter has turned into time consuming mobfests and depending on who stands in front of you 2 minutes before it starts, your hour and a half investment could end up a disappointment or a fight, both unpleasant.

The cavalcade on the other hand is a random occurrence, if you are at the right place at the right time, it’s a stress free surprise! Being random, there is no investment and no loss, just maybe a happy surprise.
 

GoofGoof

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Here’s an interesting read on why people may resist the vaccine and how to convince them otherwise. I particularly like the talk of using celebrities and social media to promote the vaccine. I love the suggestion that social media services all create some sort of virtual sticker for people to update when they get vaccinated so people can see how many of their friends and followers are vaccinated. Peer pressure should be put to good use, but not in a punitive way, nobody likes being told what to do, but more in a group think kinda way. If everyone else is doing it I don’t want to be left out :cool:

 

GoofGoof

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I like the cavalcade and here’s why. Deciding to attend a parade is an investment. You must take large chunk of time and get into position well in advance and hope a large and tall family does not decide to squeeze into your spot! The parades and fireworks for that matter has turned into time consuming mobfests and depending on who stands in front of you 2 minutes before it starts, your hour and a half investment could end up a disappointment or a fight, both unpleasant.

The cavalcade on the other hand is a random occurrence, if you are at the right place at the right time, it’s a stress free surprise! Being random, there is no investment and no loss, just maybe a happy surprise.
I’m old enough to remember when characters appeared randomly in the parks all the time instead of in specific meet and greet locations. I always liked the more spontaneous approach but I was an adult with no kids at the time so I wasn’t going to stand in line to meet a character (well maybe goofy;)) but if someone happened to appear right near me and a line hadn’t formed it made for a nice distraction. I like the spontaneous nature of the cavalcades but I’m not sure how practical it is with large crowds.
 

Calmdownnow

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Peer pressure should be put to good use, but not in a punitive way, nobody likes being told what to do, but more in a group think kinda way.
Classic marketing psychology. Studies show that signs in parks saying "Penalty for dropping litter is $X", are less effective in reducing litter than signs saying "This place is beautiful because people don't drop litter".
 

Jrb1979

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Here’s an interesting read on why people may resist the vaccine and how to convince them otherwise. I particularly like the talk of using celebrities and social media to promote the vaccine. I love the suggestion that social media services all create some sort of virtual sticker for people to update when they get vaccinated so people can see how many of their friends and followers are vaccinated. Peer pressure should be put to good use, but not in a punitive way, nobody likes being told what to do, but more in a group think kinda way. If everyone else is doing it I don’t want to be left out :cool:


They could always do what's going to happen in Ontario.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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I would think more educated would mean more trust in science but it seems political pull is a bigger factor.
Sadly, that is not the case. Many college educated individuals deny science as it relates to Covid, and other important issues.
I’m old enough to remember when characters appeared randomly in the parks all the time instead of in specific meet and greet locations.
It’s still that way at Disneyland. It’s so fun to wander around the park and say “oh looks Mary Poppins is riding the carousel” or be sneered at by the Evil Queen as you walk the path towards the castle.

Once I was waiting for the horse drawn streetcar (cause they still run regularly in California) and Goofy came up from nowhere and gave me a high five.
 
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