This mornings New York Times numbers show how bad Florida is doing on handling cases. Florida has more cases per 100,000 than Hawaii,Vermont, Maine, Oregon, Washington and Virginia. The other 43 states have more cases per 100,000 than Florida. So yes, Florida must be handling it horribly and New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania must be doing a great job. After all, we know the New York Times is always right.
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Florida is being led by a freak show Governor.
Kevin_W
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I've you have been/seen a picture of the hub for HEA.... these pictures are not "packed".
DisneyDebRob
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Country looks great! Dressed in red for Christmas? I joke because it’s a way to not get upset.
Sirwalterraleigh
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If you look at that dispersal pattern and chart...you notice 2 things:
1. Most of the worse states are NOT the “blue” ones.
2. The “blue” states that are having issues - notably Pa - are showing the dark crimson in the rural, lower income, less educated areas.
Cause “Ma Freedom!”...or something.
The obvious is seldom shocking.
So I’m confused...so you’re saying Florida DIDN’T have it figured out in April/May when they reopened Beach Bum Bob’s Conch Chowder Booze Hut in Lauderdale?
Sirwalterraleigh
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I've you have been/seen a picture of the hub for HEA.... these pictures are not "packed".
Ahhh...so now “as long as it’s not packed”...is the guideline now? Somebody call Atlanta and let them know, please?
Or is the whole situation silly and there are too many god damned people (literally...perhaps)?
It’s only gonna get worse...unfortunately.
Thought is a good thing...humans that don’t think, fail and probably can’t complain about the consequences
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When you look at the response and statistics from a worldwide perspective, it is obvious that none of the states are doing a ‘great job’, objectively.
GoofGoof
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The crowds there now are not at all the demographic makeup of a normal Disney crowd. The vast majority of those people are locals (most on APs) not out of state tourists who paid thousands to be there and stay in the expensive hotel rooms. If you already have an AP and live locally why not stop in when they start running projections and small pyrotechnics. It’s a free trip in. After the pandemic when Disney needs to compete again to bring in the more lucrative guests that isn’t going to excite people. Remember that the business model has shifted from a daily amusement park (Universal, Bush Gardens, Sea World) to a resort and dining business (even the dining part is evolving to more commercial real estate landlord vs true running of restaurants). The goal is to bring in tourists and fill the expensive hotel rooms and restaurants. People pay a heavy premium to stay at CR, Poly or GF and that includes eitjer a view of MK fireworks from their room or the ability to go down to the pool deck to watch. Look at the difference in price or in the case of BLT the difference in points for a room with MK fireworks views. One of the central marketing pushes for Riviera (besides the skyway station) is a rooftop restaurant with views of EPCOT night entertainment. For EPCOT you also have the extra draw of dining. If they want to fill all the expensive restaurants they need a show at the end of the night to keep people there.
At the end of the day I don’t know one way or the other which way the ball will bounce, but I’d put good money on a return of MK fireworks and an EPCOT night show and most likely Fantasmic as well. Everyone else is free to disagree. If this vaccine rolls out smoothly we may now for sure as early as this summer and definitely by Fall
_caleb
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I have mixed feelings about this. Of course, it’s sad. But I also feel angry, because it didn’t have to go this way.
The areas hurting the most right now are the ones who have been the target audience of a massive disinformation campaign led by the officials elected to lead them and the infotainment they subject themselves to. All COVID illnesses and deaths after about May would have been preventable if we had just taken this thing seriously, pulled together, and stayed home!
I cannot imagine how healthcare workers taking care of these people are feeling as they fight to save the lives of COVID patients—many of whom simply couldn’t be bothered to change their behavior for the sake of the common good!
GoofGoof
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Except maybe Vermont....home of Bernie Sanders and a Republican governor. Maybe the key to success is for people to actually think for themselves for a change instead of blindly following political party and talking heads.
I think the old saying “Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it” comes into play. If you go back to May in this thread you will see many people posting how FL got things right and it’s the NE governors who blew the response. Blah, blah, blah. There was even a push to have WDW open for FL residents only because this was a NY problem. Flash forward to the summer and FL was a dumpster fire for 4 months until the colder weather set in in the NE starting the second wave there. Now we are hearing the same stuff. FL has done nothing to actually curb the spread of the virus. The governor is actively saying he places a higher priority on keeping businesses open which is his prerogative. I think we all know this virus moves in waves. The NE had its first wave in the Spring and the second in the Fall now. The time in between most of those places had low daily case counts and percent positives under 5 and in some cases under 1 or 2. Meanwhile FL spiked and then dropped down some (never as low as the NE in its valley) and then took off again when all restrictions were removed in Sept. So while FL should be in their valley period between peaks the percent positive and daily case numbers are very high. I hope history doesn’t repeat itself and the true 2nd wave isn’t several months behind the NE. The best hope to avoid that is the vaccine starts to take effect. At least deaths and to some extent hospitalizations will be down since the elderly and high risk will go sooner.
Fellow Rhode Islander. Thank you for all that you are doing for our state.Interesting, I'm behind 100 peopleand will be getting it asap. Background info: Rhode island resident, Hemodialysis Technician for one of the largest Dialysis units in the country. We take care of 135 patients and running additional shifts to cover Covid positive patients
DisneyDebRob
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Then we have the protests in California. Hospitals being over run.. setting up beds in underground parking lots while they protest not being able to get get a sandwich at the local deli. So unfair. It’s sickening really.
Before I hear from the crowd saying “but the businesses.. the church’s..”.. buckle down for a few weeks, it won’t kill you but the other thing might.. at least try so when someone needs the hospital we have room.
Disney Experience
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looks like some people with a history of strong allergic reactions ( carries epipens with them) had reactions on taking vaccine.
The phase 3 study had conditions that excluded a subject from participating. People with any of those excluding conditions would therefore not have been represented in the study results.
My wife told me she was not accepted into the Pfizer study that I was in due to a thyroid condition, but she was accepted into the Moderna.
www.theguardian.com
The phase 3 study had conditions that excluded a subject from participating. People with any of those excluding conditions would therefore not have been represented in the study results.
My wife told me she was not accepted into the Pfizer study that I was in due to a thyroid condition, but she was accepted into the Moderna.
NHS told not to give Covid vaccine to those with history of allergic reactions
Two health service workers experienced symptoms after receiving Pfizer vaccine
www.theguardian.com
danlb_2000
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... and yet I still encounter people who are skeptical of the numbers, saying it's all media hype.
Disney Experience
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If I had not already been vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, I would make sure that if I had specific significant conditions that were excluded from the vaccine’s phase 3 study to wait for others like me to take the vaccine.looks like some people with a history of strong allergic reactions ( carries epipens with them) had reactions on taking vaccine.
The phase 3 study had conditions that excluded a subject from participating. People with any of those excluding conditions would therefore not have been represented in the study results.
My wife told me she was not accepted into the Pfizer study that I was in due to a thyroid condition, but she was accepted into the Moderna.
NHS told not to give Covid vaccine to those with history of allergic reactions
Two health service workers experienced symptoms after receiving Pfizer vaccine
People with comorbidities at higher risk if they get covid19 were represented. Conditions such as Type 2 Diabetes, High blood pressure, and obesity. The add on to the study included people with HIV, and hepatitis
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Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire have the advantage of low populations and no big cities. They are also very rural. The problem is across the entire country but look at the deaths. Back in March we were all told and still are being told that elderly citizens are the highest risk. Well Florida has the 5th highest average age in 2019 of 42.4. Only Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire and West Virginia have an older average population. So what is Florida doing better than most states? It has taken steps to protect the elderly but at the same time keeping it's economy open. Does Florida still have a lot of cases? Yes, more than they want but they are people at a lower risk and recovering. The real judgement on how states handled Covid19 will come in 2022. Covid19 will be over and we will all know how many people got sick and how many recovered, how many people died and how many people still have problems. But, we will also know how states did economically. How high the unemployment is. How many businesses were lost. How many programs had to be eliminated. How many people committed suicide due to Covid19. How much domestic violence increased. There are so many things we need to know before we can really judge who did a good job and who didn't.
Disney Experience
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Phase 1,2, and 3 of Pfizer studies had different exclusions. The early smaller study such as Phase 1 had a lot of exclusions. One of the main reasons they exclude is so that an existing condition is not conflated with a possible vaccine side effect. Here is a list stating the different phase study exclusions:
“Conditions Excluded from studies:
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“Conditions Excluded from studies:
- Other medical or psychiatric condition including recent (within the past year) or active suicidal ideation/behavior or laboratory abnormality that may increase the risk of study participation or, in the investigator's judgment, make the participant inappropriate for the study.
- Phases 1 and 2 only: Known infection with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), hepatitis C virus (HCV), or hepatitis B virus (HBV).
- History of severe adverse reaction associated with a vaccine and/or severe allergic reaction (eg, anaphylaxis) to any component of the study intervention(s).
- Receipt of medications intended to prevent COVID 19.
- Previous clinical (based on COVID-19 symptoms/signs alone, if a SARS-CoV-2 NAAT result was not available) or microbiological (based on COVID-19 symptoms/signs and a positive SARS-CoV-2 NAAT result) diagnosis of COVID 19.
- Phase 1 only: Individuals at high risk for severe COVID-19, including those with any of the following risk factors:
- Hypertension
- Diabetes mellitus
- Chronic pulmonary disease
- Asthma
- Current vaping or smoking
- History of chronic smoking within the prior year
- BMI >30 kg/m2
- Anticipating the need for immunosuppressive treatment within the next 6 months
- Phase 1 only: Individuals currently working in occupations with high risk of exposure to SARS-CoV-2 (eg, healthcare worker, emergency response personnel).
- Immunocompromised individuals with known or suspected immunodeficiency, as determined by history and/or laboratory/physical examination.
- Phase 1 only: Individuals with a history of autoimmune disease or an active autoimmune disease requiring therapeutic intervention.
- Bleeding diathesis or condition associated with prolonged bleeding that would, in the opinion of the investigator, contraindicate intramuscular injection.
- Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding.
- Previous vaccination with any coronavirus vaccine.
- Individuals who receive treatment with immunosuppressive therapy, including cytotoxic agents or systemic corticosteroids, eg, for cancer or an autoimmune disease, or planned receipt throughout the study.
- Phase 1 only: Regular receipt of inhaled/nebulized corticosteroids.
- Receipt of blood/plasma products or immunoglobulin, from 60 days before study intervention administration or planned receipt throughout the study.
- Participation in other studies involving study intervention within 28 days prior to study entry and/or during study participation.
- Previous participation in other studies involving study intervention containing lipid nanoparticles.
- Phase 1 only: Positive serological test for SARS-CoV-2 IgM and/or IgG antibodies at the screening visit.
- Phase 1 only: Any screening hematology and/or blood chemistry laboratory value that meets the definition of a ≥ Grade 1 abnormality.
- Phase 1 only: Positive test for HIV, hepatitis B surface antigen (HBsAg), hepatitis B core antibodies (HBc Abs), or hepatitis C virus antibodies (HCV Abs) at the screening visit.
- Phase 1 only: SARS-CoV-2 NAAT-positive nasal swab within 24 hours before receipt of study intervention.
- Investigator site staff or Pfizer employees directly involved in the conduct of the study, site staff otherwise supervised by the investigator, and their respective family members.
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HarperRose
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I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend.
The ignorance, selfishness and outright idiocy makes everything our country has been dealing with for the last 9 months all the more infuriating. Those who are dragging this out and making it worse refuse to believe they are the problem.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I think your thoughts are extremely common and completely understandable.
It’s not that this didn’t suck and wasn’t a sacrifice for everyone...it’s that it’s worse than it ever had to be because every idiot deemed themselves an “expert”
The hoaxers have mostly fallen silent here...but there’s still far too much “I can cause I know better...” floating around.
And all that “disinformation”
Was for an election to hold to power...for money.
A+b+c
They still are embarrassing themselves there. But I can’t feel sorry for the public that is going along with it while bamboozling themselves.
There’s nothing in the US Constitution that says we are required to suffer fools.
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Jrb1979
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Night time shows will probably come back. What I think won't come back is the streetmosphere. Things like Citizens of Hollywood.The crowds there now are not at all the demographic makeup of a normal Disney crowd. The vast majority of those people are locals (most on APs) not out of state tourists who paid thousands to be there and stay in the expensive hotel rooms. If you already have an AP and live locally why not stop in when they start running projections and small pyrotechnics. It’s a free trip in. After the pandemic when Disney needs to compete again to bring in the more lucrative guests that isn’t going to excite people. Remember that the business model has shifted from a daily amusement park (Universal, Bush Gardens, Sea World) to a resort and dining business (even the dining part is evolving to more commercial real estate landlord vs true running of restaurants). The goal is to bring in tourists and fill the expensive hotel rooms and restaurants. People pay a heavy premium to stay at CR, Poly or GF and that includes eitjer a view of MK fireworks from their room or the ability to go down to the pool deck to watch. Look at the difference in price or in the case of BLT the difference in points for a room with MK fireworks views. One of the central marketing pushes for Riviera (besides the skyway station) is a rooftop restaurant with views of EPCOT night entertainment. For EPCOT you also have the extra draw of dining. If they want to fill all the expensive restaurants they need a show at the end of the night to keep people there.
At the end of the day I don’t know one way or the other which way the ball will bounce, but I’d put good money on a return of MK fireworks and an EPCOT night show and most likely Fantasmic as well. Everyone else is free to disagree. If this vaccine rolls out smoothly we may now for sure as early as this summer and definitely by Fall
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