Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

I posted that Miami-Dade is the biggest problem and the case numbers there are very disproportionate to the population compared to the rest of the state.

It's been that way for the whole pandemic and it is the county that has had the strictest restrictions throughout and a mask mandate for many months. Evidence that the worst spread is in households and private gatherings, not in businesses.

Only a month until vaccine EUA. If they get it to nursing home residents and it is 90% effective, over 1/3 of the Florida COVID deaths will stop occuring.

I thought you said something along the lines of Miami Dade being the only county with a problem. That doesn’t seem to be true. I wish it was.

In any case the vaccine is great and it will help, but not much now, during this current wave. We need to do more than just wait for the vaccine. If anything the fact that the vaccine is so close to being a reality should result in a stronger pull back with a more firm end date in mind. There’s no fear of indefinite restrictions anymore.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I posted that Miami-Dade is the biggest problem and the case numbers there are very disproportionate to the population compared to the rest of the state.

At first, yes, in the first wave. But not now, but you're known for your misinformation.

Past few month, the panhandle was the hotspot per capita....

 

[DisneyCane]

At first, yes, in the first wave. But not now, but you're known for your misinformation.

Past few month, the panhandle was the hotspot per capita....

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Misinformation? Go find me more than a few outlier days (if those even exist) where Miami-Dade county didn't have a far higher share of the state's cases compared to its 12.6% of the state population. Every day I've looked at it, it is around 20% or more. In total 22.8% of the Florida cases are in Miami-Dade.

 

[BrianLo]

I'm not trying to be confrontational, but I see this posted a lot and it's not true. An improperly fitted N95 still would provide at least the same benefit as a cloth or even surgical mask. It's still blocking your exhalation and doing at least some filtering of inhalation.

Also, face mask fitting isn't rocket science (I say this as a guy whos had a full-face respirator and done fit testing for 20+ years).

Sorry, that is exactly what I meant. It would confer no “additional” benefit is what I should have said.

There is also an appeal that medical providers need them more and some supplies are still not great.

 

[Lilofan]

Good friend of Trump and former FL governor and current Senator Rick Scott has tested positive for covid. He advised he caught it when he traveled back to Florida and is currently in quarantine in his home in Naples.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Good friend of Trump and former FL governor and current Senator Rick Scott has tested positive for covid. He advised he caught it when he traveled back to Florida and is currently in quarantine in his home in Naples.

I'm glad to see that, unlike some other politicians who caught it, his statement encouraged the use of masks and following guidelines from medical experts. Hopefully he'll recover quickly.

 

[Kevin_W]

Good friend of Trump and former FL governor and current Senator Rick Scott has tested positive for covid. He advised he caught it when he traveled back to Florida and is currently in quarantine in his home in Naples.

I'm somewhat shocked that while ~3.5% of Americans have tested positive for the Coronavirus, 7% of the Senate has tested positive and nearly 6% of the house.

 

[carolina_yankee]

I'm somewhat shocked that while ~3.5% of Americans have tested positive for the Coronavirus, 7% of the Senate has tested positive and nearly 6% of the house.

It's worth looking at but it's apples and oranges. Would be interesting compare to schools, meat packing plants, distribution centers, etc., wherever people have to work together in close proximity. One would think they could fix their rules so they could do everything by teleconference, but they do have to meet together to do something. Of course, some go visit the White House, a known super-spreader, and some think masks are a political statement, so their behavior also doesn't help.

 

[techgeek]

I'm somewhat shocked that while ~3.5% of Americans have tested positive for the Coronavirus, 7% of the Senate has tested positive and nearly 6% of the house.

In the Senate, 100% of the positive tests (7 total to date) have been members of the Republican Party, although 2 additional Democratic Senators are on record as reporting positive antibody tests for suspected early spring infections.

The House has been more balanced, of the 25 positive tests to date among representatives, 9 were Democrats and 16 Republicans.

Both the Senate and House have adopted social distancing guidelines, however the Senate has refrained from passing a mask mandate while the House has had one in place since July.

 

[techgeek]

Frequent, rapid testing could turn national COVID-19 tide within weeks

New research shows that broad, national dissemination of frequent, rapid COVID-19 tests could turn the tide on the pandemic within weeks, without shutting down

www.colorado.edu

“Less than .1% of the current cost of this virus would enable frequent testing for the whole of the U.S. population for a year,”

“It’s time to shift the mentality around testing from thinking of a COVID test as something you get when you think you are sick to thinking of it as a vital tool to break transmission chains and keep the economy open,”

 

[John park hopper]

Could it be Senators are a lot older than Congressmen

 

[GoofGoof]

I'm somewhat shocked that while ~3.5% of Americans have tested positive for the Coronavirus, 7% of the Senate has tested positive and nearly 6% of the house.

Not surprising at all. Covid has been politicized. Less than half the American public actually cares about politics one way or the other and don’t follow party politics blindly so their decisions are based on something other than politics. 100% of Congressman care about politics and most follow their party politics blindly (and the ones who don’t are constantly exposed to the others at a rate disproportionate to the general public). It’s not shocking that they are being infected at a higher rate. In general, these people also act like they are above the law because they normally don’t have to follow the rules everyone else does in a lot of situations.

 

[Lilofan]

In the Senate, 100% of the positive tests (7 total to date) have been members of the Republican Party, although 2 additional Democratic Senators are on record as reporting positive antibody tests for suspected early spring infections.

The House has been more balanced, of the 25 positive tests to date among representatives, 9 were Democrats and 16 Republicans.

Both the Senate and House have adopted social distancing guidelines, however the Senate has refrained from passing a mask mandate while the House has had one in place since July.

One Senator ( I don't remember his name ) was concerned in an interview on the cleaning and cafeteria crews in their work locations that are in contact with these elected officials.

 

[Lilofan]

Both the Senate and House have adopted social distancing guidelines, however the Senate has refrained from passing a mask mandate while the House has had one in place since July.

BIngo

 

[Heppenheimer]

Could it be Senators are a lot older than Congressmen

Age would have an effect on the severity of their illness and the outcome. It doesn't predispose them as any more likely to catch the disease.

 

[danlb_2000]

In the Senate, 100% of the positive tests (7 total to date) have been members of the Republican Party, although 2 additional Democratic Senators are on record as reporting positive antibody tests for suspected early spring infections.

The House has been more balanced, of the 25 positive tests to date among representatives, 9 were Democrats and 16 Republicans.

Both the Senate and House have adopted social distancing guidelines, however the Senate has refrained from passing a mask mandate while the House has had one in place since July.

It would be fascinating to see a national breakdown of deaths or infections by political affiliation.

 

[marni1971]

In any case the vaccine is great and it will help, but not much now, during this current wave. We need to do more than just wait for the vaccine. If anything the fact that the vaccine is so close to being a reality should result in a stronger pull back with a more firm end date in mind. There’s no fear of indefinite restrictions anymore.

Absolutely. Europe is being ravaged again. It looks like the US will be in the same position within the month. Potential vaccines are for six, nine months time. Only common sense will get us through this coming winter.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

. Potential vaccines are for six, nine months time. Only common sense will get us through this coming winter.

The messaging needs to be much stronger on this point.
I keep hearing " we are saved!!!!" "I can go back to work soon!!!" "Time to plan spring break!!!" Thats not the reality of the situation. The reality is we are going to be like this for quite some time still. Maybe we will see the sunlight this Summer, but its also very possible it won't be until next fall.

Theres a reason major corporations are still telling employees no return until late summer.

 

[techgeek]

It would be fascinating to see a national breakdown of deaths or infections by political affiliation.

There have been some studies attempting to get at this (linking below to three that I've come across), but so far they have only been able to delineate political affiliation by using "red state / blue state" associations or county-level data, which of course has some issues and may not be taking fully into account other factors influencing risk... Although, it would appear on the surface there is a bias towards higher risk among majority Republican populations. I'm not aware of any study that attempts to make a correlation at the individual level.

Associations between governor political affiliation and COVID-19 cases and deaths in the United States

Introduction As the response to the COVID-19 pandemic has become increasingly politicized in the United States (US), political party affiliation of state leaders may contribute to policies affecting the spread of the disease. We examined differences in COVID-19 infection and death rates...

www.medrxiv.org

Why do per capita COVID-19 Case Rates Differ Between U.S. States?

Background The popular press has explored the differences among U.S. states in rates of COVID-19 cases, mostly focusing on political party differences, and often mentioning that political party differences in health outcomes are confounded by demographic and socio-economic differences between...

www.medrxiv.org

Partisan differences in physical distancing are linked to health outcomes during the COVID-19 pandemic - Nature Human Behaviour

Gollwitzer et al. use smartphone mobility tracking to show that US county support for Trump in 2016 was associated with a lower reduction in mobility in March–May 2020, which in turn was associated with higher COVID-19 infection and fatality growth rates in pro-Trump counties.

www.nature.com

 

[GoofGoof]

The messaging needs to be much stronger on this point.
I keep hearing " we are saved!!!!" "I can go back to work soon!!!" "Time to plan spring break!!!" Thats not the reality of the situation. The reality is we are going to be like this for quite some time still. Maybe we will see the sunlight this Summer, but its also very possible it won't be until next fall.

Theres a reason major corporations are still telling employees no return until late summer.

If anything related to the vaccine, the messaging needs to be that we will have a vaccine in 6 months or less so it’s time to bear down and hold off on activity for just a little while longer. The entire narrative that “we can’t live this way indefinitely“ is blown out of the water now. The economic impact is also greatly reduced as it is much more affordable to pass a bail out bill for a finite amount of time. Restrictions can be implemented now knowing they won’t last very long. People should be more willing to accept that now as opposed to less.