Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Chomama]

Traveling once school starts will Be very difficult for anyone who is not doing true homeschooling. At least where we are there are two options. Number one is to go to school in person on a normal schedule with masks and social distancing. The other option is to do online school but you are expected to be live on the computer several hours a day with either your class that is in school or with a teacher working with you life. You can’t just go on vacation while that is happening. This just stinks all the way around and there are no good options, unfortunately.

 

[G00fyDad]

I did read the whole article. I heard this earlier when this all started. I was not trying to panic anyone. The only thing that came to mind was what next and laughed. There will come a time and I think before the end of the year, people are just going to say screw it.

I'm sorry. Maybe my reply was taken out of context. I wasn't trying to blame you for anything. I was talking about the headline of that article.

 

[G00fyDad]

I probably made my opinion known already, but the way I see it the 2 biggest issues with a vacation to WDW right now are traveling into a hot spot in general, which I think is a bad idea for something that’s not necessary and eating meals out. Unless you have a DVC villa or rent a house/condo off property you have to eat most meals out. Dining (especially indoor dining) is a higher risk activity right now, especially somewhere with a high level of community spread. Having to eat 2 or 3 meals a day out for the duration of the trip is a lot more exposure than most people get in a typical day, especially if their home area is not a hot spot. These aren’t really a knock on Disney, I think they are doing the best job they can. I also agree that anyone who goes and thinks there aren’t some CMs and fellow guests who are infected is kidding themselves. The risk is what it is and if people want to accept it more power to them...just wear your mask and wash your hands a whole lot.

I agree. Part of me wishes the parks had never opened and thinks that Disney was careless and greedy to open. But the pragmatic part of me knows that if they had stayed closed or if they close again that might very well be the death of the parks. They're a business and in the end they have to do what they need to do just stay solvent. I do agree that Disney is doing the best job that they possibly can. They really only have two options right now. Continue on the course they're on or just shut the parks down permanently. This virus is going to be around for quite a while. It's going to be that way because we can't all come together as a country and just stay home for about 2 or 3 weeks. People have been polarized politically about this and they are going to do what they want to do based on those political beliefs. Those beliefs have become so ingrained in people at this point that it would not matter if Donald Trump and his entire Administration came out and said that masks have to be worn at all times no matter where you're at if you're around other people and to social distance. It wouldn't matter at this point what they said. People are so stuck in their ways that if they're not wearing masks right now they're not going to wear masks. The spread of this virus is going to take a very very very long time wind its way down. I honestly expect to see 500,000 people dead in the United States before this starts winding down. And I'm low-balling.

My prediction is that this virus is going to be around for at least a couple of years. People are who they are and you're just not going to change them. Then you have morons like this.

 

[GoofGoof]

Traveling once school starts will Be very difficult for anyone who is not doing true homeschooling. At least where we are there are two options. Number one is to go to school in person on a normal schedule with masks and social distancing. The other option is to do online school but you are expected to be live on the computer several hours a day with either your class that is in school or with a teacher working with you life. You can’t just go on vacation while that is happening. This just stinks all the way around and there are no good options, unfortunately.

People take their kids out of school for a week all the time to go to WDW. It wouldn’t be any different if school is virtual. With physical school during Covid if the state you are in requires a 14 day quarantine when returning from a hot spot you would have to miss the week for vacation plus 2 more weeks to quarantine. Even if you didn’t want to take your kids out of school but went Thanksgiving week (some schools are closed that whole week now) or one of the Christmas weeks you would have the same problem with the quarantine. Hopefully FL isn’t still a hot spot by Christmas break but who knows. With virtual school at least the quarantine period doesn’t matter since you are at home anyway.

 

[hopemax]

Visual representation of how FL's death data is filling in over time. I hope we all agree now that increased cases in June did lead to an increase of deaths, but I know this is the Internet.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Visual representation of how FL's death data is filling in over time. I hope we all agree now that increased cases in June did lead to an increase of deaths, but I know this is the Internet.

Indeed.

And that's why FL's own dashboard death chart always looks like it's on the decline, when it isn't.

 

[Chomama]

People take their kids out of school for a week all the time to go to WDW. It wouldn’t be any different if school is virtual. With physical school during Covid if the state you are in requires a 14 day quarantine when returning from a hot spot you would have to miss the week for vacation plus 2 more weeks to quarantine. Even if you didn’t want to take your kids out of school but went Thanksgiving week (some schools are closed that whole week now) or one of the Christmas weeks you would have the same problem with the quarantine. Hopefully FL isn’t still a hot spot by Christmas break but who knows. With virtual school at least the quarantine period doesn’t matter since you are at home anyway.

True true. Didn’t really think of it that way. Quarantine makes it truly impractical even if you have the means and feel safe

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Andrew C]

Visual representation of how FL's death data is filling in over time. I hope we all agree now that increased cases in June did lead to an increase of deaths, but I know this is the Internet

who didn’t agree to that? I thought the question was always, will a average lower age along with better preparedness and treatments ensure death rates will not get to the levels we saw in the northeast?

 

[Andrew C]

Some members that are currently in "time out." While debating one of them, I suggested on 6/28 a re-examining of the data on Aug 1. It's two day's early, but that was my "let's review what actually happened post." Which is mostly unnecessary. But in June there were people who wanted to believe there wouldn't be correlation between the two.

Ok. I mean the death rates are definitely lower at the moment compared to the states that were nailed earlier on. The issue is that cases are still hovering just under 10K a day. So even if the death rate remains low as a percentage of cases, this can still lead to a large number of deaths overall the longer it drags.

 

[toolsnspools]

At Disney since last Saturday. Here's my take on what they're doing. The only guests on property are DVC, and a couple of hotels with limited capacity. Contemporary and I think one more. They plan to add more soon. Basically, everyone on site now is a Disney veteran, that knows how things work here. They also have the NBA bubble, but they don't really count, since they're all in the bubble. They are testing the processes out with us guinea pigs, and making adjustments as they go. So far so good. Most folks are being safe, and there is plenty of hand sanitizer everywhere. Hand washing stations are scattered around too.

Busses are divided into sections, and each group gets their own section. Extra dividers have been set up between the sections. Small groups can share a section, but on opposite sides of the bus.

Rides are running at limited capacity with space between groups. Groups are rarely combined. I think we did on LWTL. We had a front row, and another group had the back row.

For the most part, things have gone well. No real issues with guests being willing to wear masks. The entire resort is at about 15% full right now.

I do not recommend coming if you're at risk. This is a human interaction place if there ever was one, and germs will be germs. Also, If you're not good at protecting yourself, don't come. You need to be good about not touching things, and good about NOT touching your face. You need to wash your hands regularly. I don't recommend bringing small kids now either. They are germ factories, and simply cannot maintain the necessary good habits for an hour, much less a whole week.

Hope this sheds some light on whats going on at the World.

 

[GoofGoof]

Ok. I mean the death rates are definitely lower at the moment compared to the states that were nailed earlier on. The issue is that cases are still hovering just under 10K a day. So even if the death rate remains low as a percentage of cases, this can still lead to a large number of deaths overall the longer it drags.

If you adjust for the failure to protect long term care facilities in the very beginning the death rate is about the same. The states hit first had a much higher percentage of death in nursing homes. In PA where I live 4,887 of the 7,176 deaths were in LT care facilities (about 60%). In FL 2,557 of the 6,586 deaths were in LT care (39%). If you back out LT care facilities, PA has seen 17.6 deaths per 100K residents while FL‘s equivalent rate is 21.2 deaths per 100K residents.

 

[Andrew C]

Well everyone seems to be here....not sure who’s missing. Lol.

 

[RaiseTheShields]

busier than I expected at the weekends - worked out they are at about 1/3 capacity I reckon - they are opening more hotels from this weekend (including the main Disneyland hotel on the first) so we will see how it is then.

I have to admit I felt safer there than in the uk - full mask compliance - I got told off for mine slipping down my nose once haha but they were very on the ball. Restaurants were well organised but it just felt very normal - people were relaxed and happy whilst being sensible and respectful - I really wish I was back there as I hate ng country at the moment - the level of fear and distrust here is so depressing and people seem to be walking round like zombies

It’s great to hear they are on the ball!

I haven’t been to DLP in about 20 years but i really want to visit. I’m so out of the loop I didn’t even realize there were multiple resorts. Seems like it felt like an actual vacation (holiday) for you which is awesome.

 

[Andrew C]

The people he was talking about were banned for being nasty to each other, not due to a narrative. It’s fine to disagree on stuff but there’s no reason for personal attacks and general douchebaggery. You and I disagree on plenty of stuff here related to Covid but I‘d still go out for a beer with you after this is all over

I think he drinks whiskey.

 

[Archie123]

They are the same people. They got timeouts on this thread first, then got them for the other thread.

Play nice or pay the price lol.

 

[easyrowrdw]

They are the same people. They got timeouts on this thread first, then got them for the other thread.

Okay, thanks. I must have just missed the offending actions in the other thread. I guess I gotta keep up better if I wanna see the good stuff.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I’m so out of the loop I didn’t even realize there were multiple resorts.

DLP opened with those resorts... it’s sadly what started the entire snowball down the hill. If it wasn’t for those resorts, we would be enjoying Westcot and Hyperion Bay on the west coast and who knows what all we would have gotten in Florida.

 

[seabreezept813]

So I was just wondering if that is the case in schools too? I guess the big difference is that in schools, you have the same people coming in every day.

We’ve been told that if we go back and someone tests positive then anyone who was near them for 15+ minutes has to quarantine. Imagine a high school student who attends 6 classes.. school will be disruptive this year no matter how we return.

 

[toolsnspools]

Funny how science is now being questioned and has become political.

Pharma is getting $1 billion in funding to create their vaccine. That's enough $$ to build 2 AK Pandora's. They are just one of at least a half dozen companies about to receive that kind of windfall. If a solution is found (anyone watch the hydroxychloroquine video that was quickly banned on all platforms) all that $$ isn't needed. Astra-Zeneca is getting $1.2 billion. The maker of Remdesivire (sp?) Just announced they may charge $3,000 per dose.

$1 billion will make $8 to $10 million in interest/growth per month, if invested correctly. That's a lot of potential Ferrari's for Christmas bonuses.