Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyDebRob

DisneyDebRob

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Jrb1979 said:
If not another shutdown, they should at least put in more strict social distancing measures. Mandatory masks and make all businesses have strict social distancing rules. Maybe go back a step and make capacity for businesses lower again.
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I think the major spike, in a lot of states that it’s going up is that they opened bars and clubs.It’s impossible to do Social distance and no one is wearing masks while drinking. The young people are becoming the drivers of the spikes. Yes, we know lower chance of dying but I sure hope that none is these kids are going home to mom and dad after a night out.
 
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oceanbreeze77

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peter11435 said:
Obviously they want to avoid it. But they also know that it’s unavoidable and going to happen. They have over 70,000 employees, cases will be inevitable.
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it is going to happen, but the differences of it happening right in the thick of the pandemic as opposed to it happening when things are ACTUALLY getting better, are miles apart.
 
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TrojanUSC

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CaptainAmerica said:
Cases are rising but hospitalizations are flat. The most vulnerable populations have already gotten it, a spike in young healthy people testing positive isn't going to hurt anything.
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What? There are MORE people currently in the hospital from COVID-19 in the 18-49 demographic than those in the 50-64 demographic. Many of those may have a higher chance of living, but many have lasting complications and ailments upon their discharge.

Also to say that the most vulnerable populations have "already had it" is truly disingenuous and wrong. This might be true for people in retirement hopes and in some areas of NYC, but certainly not true for the country as a whole.
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

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Jrb1979 said:
I just have to laugh. Just cause it's not killing as many people as first thought it's not that bad. So we should just open up everything and not worry about new cases. People have to get back to work so lets stop social distancing and let businesses run how they see fit. 🙄
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Not exactly.
 
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robhedin

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trojanjustin said:
What? There are MORE people currently in the hospital from COVID-19 in the 18-49 demographic than those in the 50-64 demographic. Many of those may have a higher chance of living, but many have lasting complications and ailments upon their discharge.
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To be clear, even granting the cohort numbers you cite, the hospitalization data looks like this overall-

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The point being made is that the overall curve of hospitalization is not not increasing as yet regardless of the increase in overall cases.

That, coupled with other news such as dexamethasone as a treatment (assuming it pans out) could reduce mortality by up to 30%. Add in less reliance on ventilators in favor of other oxygen delivery (such as high flow nasal cannula use) could reduce that even farther. see: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/doctors-brace-wave-covid-19-approach-high-flow/story?id=71153308 and https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-analysis-recommends-less-reliance-on-ventilators/
 
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robhedin

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trojanjustin said:
I'm not selling anything. There are more people in the hospital in the younger age range mentioned than people 40-54. Not sure what needs to be sold other than facts?

COVID-19 Hospitalizations

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Yes there are more people in the hospital for the 31 year age range of 18-49 as opposed to the 15 year age range of 50-64. However the number of both of those have been decreasing (using this same data).

Of course if you use the totals, then the cohort 50+ still represents 64% of those hospitalized.
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Jrb1979 said:
That's the conclusion I come to from a lot of people. The amount of people that want to downplay this to justify opening things do quick is crazy. Same with the ones that keep downplaying the rising numbers in Florida, Arizona and Alabama.
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And some probably think you want to keep things closed indefinitely (or until a vaccine is out) with no regard to what that would mean for the future of millions of people in the US, and their children. Without putting risk level into the appropriate perspective. But I’m guessing “most” are somewhere closer to the middle, just trying to figure things out for themselves, their loves ones, their community.
 
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TrojanUSC

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robhedin said:
To be clear, even granting the cohort numbers you cite, the hospitalization data looks like this overall-

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The point being made is that the overall curve of hospitalization is not not increasing as yet regardless of the increase in overall cases.

That, coupled with other news such as dexamethasone as a treatment (assuming it pans out) could reduce mortality by up to 30%. Add in less reliance on ventilators in favor of other oxygen delivery (such as high flow nasal cannula use) could reduce that even farther. see: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/doctors-brace-wave-covid-19-approach-high-flow/story?id=71153308 and https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-analysis-recommends-less-reliance-on-ventilators/
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A lot of this is because the numbers came back to earth from NYC, but there are a number of troublesome spots in areas across the country. Will be interesting to see this chart in 2-3 weeks.
 
Rimmit

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Took a break from here for a while for my mental health. On vacation in FL now. observations.

1. Legoland - given there is no mask requirement, 99 percent do not wear a mask there. It was exceedingly rare. There was never more than 15-20 people in any line we stood in. Social distancing very easy as the park was dead empty. At times we didn’t even see another employee or human in various areas of the park. Felt apocalyptic at times. I don’t think there were more than 1000 people in the park. That may be generous. On a side note there were so few people in the park they only had two places you could buy hot food and the only food options at one was hot dogs and the other had hamburgers. That’s how slow it is. TWO total food options in Legoland. TWO in mid summer! And they had no lines for the food. They had a total of 3 registers in the entire park serving hot food!!!!

2.Brevard zoo - requires mask upon arrival
And in certain high density areas where social distancing is difficult. Everyone has to comply on check in and wear mask on entry. 95 percent compliance in areas of high density and volunteers reminding people to put masks on in those areas. Social distancing harder and not as followed due to choke points. Although people made a good effort.

3.Disney Springs - 100 percent compliance. I did Not see a mask on anyone not drinking while we were walking. It was impressive. Social distancing pretty easy and rarely violated. Rare occasion someone would get close to you in a store but stores pretty empty on a wed night so not difficult to keep distance.

In my small sample of Florida attractions, people basically seem to follow the rules of the establishment. We will go to Gatorland and maybe fun spot today and Aquatica tomorrow and can speak of those on Saturday.

Point is, in voluntary activities such as amusement parks and zoos,if you make a rule people will follow it for the most part as you are voluntarily going to these attractions. If you don’t want to follow the rules most people don’t go. I expected there to be many that pushed the limit on the rules but that did not seem to be the case. Disney springs had impressive compliance. The highest compliance of any place I have seen and I even work in a hospital and visitors there don’t even follow our recommendations a lot of the time.
 
Horizons '83

Horizons '83

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robhedin said:
To be clear, even granting the cohort numbers you cite, the hospitalization data looks like this overall-

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The point being made is that the overall curve of hospitalization is not not increasing as yet regardless of the increase in overall cases.

That, coupled with other news such as dexamethasone as a treatment (assuming it pans out) could reduce mortality by up to 30%. Add in less reliance on ventilators in favor of other oxygen delivery (such as high flow nasal cannula use) could reduce that even farther. see: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/doctors-brace-wave-covid-19-approach-high-flow/story?id=71153308 and https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-analysis-recommends-less-reliance-on-ventilators/
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I also wish they would slice the data a little bit more granular as well. 18 to 49 is such a large swatch of the population. I am sure there is some data out there that breaks it down by every 10 years of age or so (i.e, 20 to 30, 30 to 40, etc.)
 
Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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robhedin said:
To be clear, even granting the cohort numbers you cite, the hospitalization data looks like this overall-

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The point being made is that the overall curve of hospitalization is not not increasing as yet regardless of the increase in overall cases.

That, coupled with other news such as dexamethasone as a treatment (assuming it pans out) could reduce mortality by up to 30%. Add in less reliance on ventilators in favor of other oxygen delivery (such as high flow nasal cannula use) could reduce that even farther. see: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/doctors-brace-wave-covid-19-approach-high-flow/story?id=71153308 and https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-analysis-recommends-less-reliance-on-ventilators/
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To be clear, dexamethasone isn't really a new treatment for COVID19. It and other similar corticosteroids are very commonly used in patients with acute respiratory distress syndrome. It's been one of the tools used since the start of the pandemic. The only thing that changed this week was publication of data which provided verification that existing practices provided a benefit with this specific virus.
 
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jinx8402

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danlb_2000 said:
Liens are not unusual, the volume of them is. January through March showed 1 or 2 liens a month, April jumped to 15, May 17, and June 36 so far.
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Would that seem to imply that it's not so much that Disney hasn't paid for work done, but rather the contractors who were told to stop working during the shutdown covering themselves for Disney to continue to honor the contract once work can resume? The way I'm thinking about it is, it forces Disney to either resume as scheduled or pay for breach of contract in order for the contractor to drop the lien.
 
G00fyDad

G00fyDad

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Forgive my ignorance here but what is this lien against Disney anyway? What are they? I can only infer from a bank lien but I am not sure how it is applicable to Disney here,
 
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