Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Lilofan

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ImperfectPixie said:
Dr. Fauci directly addressed that as a journalist asked about it - he seemed rather ticked that the MIT guy said it at all and Fauci basically said that it doesn't reflect reality.
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Fauci's boss was standing next to him. So he had to come up with something quick. A researcher from MIT and their opinion, I would listen to.
 
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Disstevefan1 said:
In my opinion there are a lot of folks who would want to return to the parks as soon as they are open but simply can't.

I think the 12% represent: (the folks that are APs(with no blackouts) AND live driving distance away AND has the money AND free time)

This is a small subset of folks who ACTUALLY would return to the parks as soon as they are open if they could.
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Exactly. This doesn’t change how likely it will be that the parks are packed when they reopen. People who want to go but can’t will still not be there when the parks open.
 
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Disstevefan1 said:
In my opinion there are a lot of folks who would want to return to the parks as soon as they are open but simply can't.

I think the 12% represent: (the folks that are APs(with no blackouts) AND live driving distance away AND has the money AND free time)

This is a small subset of folks who ACTUALLY would return to the parks as soon as they are open if they could.
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I think the more realistic answer would be sometime in 2020 or 2021. Whenever it re-opens, people still have lives and work and can't just go back at the drop of a Sorcerer's Hat. My next trip is scheduled for the week of 5/25. Let's say it reopens a week later. 1) I couldn't go back that week anyway because I'm blocked out as a Silver AP holder and 2) my work schedule wouldn't allow it anyway. I'd have to find a later date in the Fall for both not being blacked out and when my work schedule would allow for vacation time.
 
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Lilofan

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ImperfectPixie said:
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Fauci looked as if he didn't care who was there and implied that the MIT researcher was irresponsible in making the statement.
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Dr. Fauci is not the end all be all. There are educated researchers such as the one from MIT offering their opinions. Irresponsible? Like and educated opinion from an MIT researcher. If it is accurate, reality and the truth sometimes hurts.
 
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Lilofan said:
Dr. Fauci is not the end all be all. There are educated researchers such as the one from MIT offering their opinions. Irresponsible? Like and educated opinion from an MIT researcher. If it is accurate, reality and the truth sometimes hurts.
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Yeah but they probably did a test just to see what was possible but in reality no one normally sneezes crap that far in the air unblocked and in our direction
 
Polynesia

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JohnD said:
I think the more realistic answer would be sometime in 2020 or 2021. Whenever it re-opens, people still have lives and work and can't just go back at the drop of a Sorcerer's Hat. My next trip is scheduled for the week of 5/25. Let's say it reopens a week later. 1) I couldn't go back that week anyway because I'm blocked out as a Silver AP holder and 2) my work schedule wouldn't allow it anyway. I'd have to find a later date in the Fall for both not being blacked out and when my work schedule would allow for vacation time.
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We’re not going to know until Disney opens. I suspect Disneyland will be more crowded since there are more locals who go. Disney World depends more on international than Disneyland. Whatever the amount is of guests that go will be good. Everyone says nothing will be normal again. I guess we’ll find a new normal. And still for many that will include Disney.
 
Jon81uk

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FuturePort83 said:
I wholeheartedly agree, but asymptomatic people are spreading it too.
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Oh yes, but a general societal change I'm hoping for after this disease goes away is people who have cold-symptoms don't spread it to others. Just getting people with symptoms to stay away would help a lot. But yes if asymptomatic people wear masks it may help, but could also increase healthy people picking it up from those with symptoms who touch the germ covered mask.
 
Weather_Lady

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Polynesia said:
We’re not going to know until Disney opens. I suspect Disneyland will be more crowded since there are more locals who go. Disney World depends more on international than Disneyland. Whatever the amount is of guests that go will be good. Everyone says nothing will be normal again. I guess we’ll find a new normal. And still for many that will include Disney.
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To piggyback on your point, in addition to having more locals who visit, Disneyland is also much better for "spur of the moment" visits from anywhere, given that Fastpasses and dining reservations can be made same-day instead of months ahead of time. If the parks reopened and my family was looking to do a Disney vacation right away, we'd definitely choose Disneyland over WDW, even though we'd have to travel clear across the country. (We learned when we went to Disneyland last August that visiting it is no more expensive than visiting WDW -- in fact, it was slightly less costly, since flight costs were about the same and walking-distance hotel expenses were far cheaper.) So I think you're right: when the parks reopen, Disneyland will be the first to return to normal/high crowd levels.
 
Horizons '83

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Jon81uk said:
Oh yes, but a general societal change I'm hoping for after this disease goes away is people who have cold-symptoms don't spread it to others. Just getting people with symptoms to stay away would help a lot. But yes if asymptomatic people wear masks it may help, but could also increase healthy people picking it up from those with symptoms who touch the germ covered mask.
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I really do hope one of the silver linings to this mess is that, as you have mentioned, workplaces won't tolerate anyone showing up to work with symptoms of any illness. Of our 35 people in my department, 22 got sick at some point in early December which was very taxing on us. The mentality that its just a cold, or i'll power through it is so dumb and outdated.
 
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FuturePort83 said:
You are just making the argument that everyone should wear masks. Not that they are useless. A reduction in risk is better than doing nothing.
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They also increase the risk of getting infected due to increased touching, scratching, etc. and a false sense if security leading to less social distancing.

I don't know if the overall risk is lower or higher.

What I do know is that if healthcare providers don't have masks they won't treat covid-19 patients. I know of many who won't do certain procedures on ANY patient without an N95 mask.

Somebody in the general public using a mask (specifically talking n95 here) to reduce a low risk could literally kill somebody who doesn't get treated because a health care provider doesn't have one.
 
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Lilofan

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FuturePort83 said:
You are just making the argument that everyone should wear masks. Not that they are useless. A reduction in risk is better than doing nothing.
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Asians at the start of the pandemic for the most part wore masks and stayed home. Their situation and rates are improving. It would not surprise me if we were told it would be mandatory to wear masks in public.
 
ImperfectPixie

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Lilofan said:
D r Fauci is not the end all be all. There are educated researchers such as the one from MIT offering their opinions.
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I realize that. This also isn't the first time I've seen this exact subject matter come up for debate among scientists before. I'm siding with Fauci on this one. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to take the word of an associate professor who is trying to make a name for themselves over one of the most respected doctors in the country.

Here's exactly what Fauci said:

THIS COULD REALLY BE TERRIBLY MISLEADING, JOHN. WHAT IT WAS WAS LOOKING AT THE DISTANCE DROPLETS FLY BY SPEAKING, BY COUGHING, BY SNEEZING. SO IF YOU GO WAY BACK AND -- [PRETENDING TO SNEEZE] GO BACK LIKE THAT YOU MIGHT GET 27 FEET, BUT IF YOU SEE SOMEBODY DO THAT, GET OUT OF THE WAY. THAT IS NOT PRACTICAL, JOHN. I'M SORRY, I WAS DISTURBED BY THAT REPORT BECAUSE THAT IS MISLEADING. THAT MEANS ALL OF A SUDDEN, THE SIX FOOT THING DOESN'T WORK. THAT IS A VERY ROBUST, VIGOROUS SNEEZE, THAT IS WHAT THAT IS, AND THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
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Communicora

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DisneyCane said:
They also increase the risk of getting infected due to increased touching, scratching, etc. and a false sense if security leading to less social distancing.

I don't know if the overall risk is lower or higher.

What I do know is that if healthcare providers don't have masks they won't treat covid-19 patients. I know of many who won't do certain procedures on ANY patient without an N95 mask.

Somebody in the general public using a mask (specifically talking n95 here) to reduce a low risk could literally kill somebody who doesn't get treated because a health care provider doesn't have one.
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Yes, healthcare providers definitely need access to all of the n95 masks that can be made available. It's horrific that the CDC has to even recommend that healthcare providers use bandannas in the absence of other protection. It is an abomination that our nation didn't prepare for this properly and we are at this point.

No one is suggesting that people should be using N95 masks. They need to be reserved for healthcare providers.

However, many health experts are saying wearing other types of masks is important. Even the NYT is sharing patterns for making your own masks. These are strange and difficult times.
 
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