Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[easyrowrdw]

Serious question... which news sources are considered trustworthy in the US?

I think it's mostly dependent on who you ask.

 

[Andrew C]

Serious question... which news sources are considered trustworthy in the US?

You would be pressed to find one where one group doesn't have a beef with it...

But, local news typically...

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

What you are describing is exactly what I'm talking about. Most people's definition of "care about x" is the equivalent of my wife caring about her potted plant. She cares about it enough to take care of it, water it, make sure it has sun. But if there's a trip to WDW coming up and she can't find anyone to water her plant, she will just let it fend for itself. Even if that means it could die.

When I say people don't really care about anyone outside of their circle of friends and family, my point is they don't care about others more than they do a potted plant. They care about people as long as it fills their own need to feel personal pride that "I care about people". That is, until it interferes with their inner circle's rights/priorities/goals. At that point everyone is left in the lurch to fend for themselves.

That is sad.

Look, take it up with your wife that she keeps letting the potted plants die. I'm not responsible for that.

 

[5thGenTexan]

June 1 is when Disney and Disneyland are honoring reservations for hotels and dinners. When I heard Trump speak last night talking about June 1 getting back to some normalcy it clicked that perhaps Disney knew about the April 30 extension and are planning for a June 1 opening. Lake Burns Vista hotels are also giving a June 1 date. The graphs that people look on as gospel show no covid deaths by July.

A Federal Govt. date of April 30 is meaningless. They are kind of is a position to not invoke panic and telling people the stay at home orders will be in place until we say they aren't will cause the population to go ape poo. They have to throw out dates out knowing full well they will be extended.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Serious question... which news sources are considered trustworthy in the US?

The BBC. (And I am being serious. I often look overseas for solid journalism and content)

 

[21stamps]

Do you know how much worse a double dip recession would be if we come out of this too early and then there is a relapse? Far more damage to the economy long term than waiting a few more weeks.

The other factor is you need customers to make money. If they open businesses while the death count is still rising how many people will want to take a cruise or book a flight or even go to a mall?

I don’t know the number of people who would still book a flight, take a cruise, or go to the mall.

What I know is that there are people and families in America who will not see any pay for several weeks, and have probably lost all medical benefits- not that they can go for anything other than an emergency now anyway, even if they pay for COBRA...we’ve seen study after study in this country showing that too many people live paycheck to paycheck and/or above their means.. now all of their means are taken from them.. then you add in the small business owners who are watching their life’s work crumble, and as a result- I predict unrest.
Maybe it won’t happen, but either way, I don’t think it’s as easy as simply saying “they know it’s for the good of our health”

To be absolutely clear- this is not in reference to short term orders.. I am specifically talking about if the orders turn into months ie Virginia

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

Fair enough and we can agree to disagree. Let me ask you this, on March 1st if I told you your governor would have you locked down for at least 6 weeks and all non-essential businesses would be closed would you have had the same reaction? Predicting civil unrest? I think a lot of us thought we would never see the day this was necessary, but people realize the seriousness of the situation and adapt. Not saying we like it but these are unprecedented times.

Right now, it's more like throwing spaghetti on the wall and seeing what's going to stick.

 

[Lilofan]

Did Maryland go to June 10th too?

Already did

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

There are people who are working from home receiving their normal pay. There are small business owners who may not survive this. There are unemployed people who will not see any check for weeks.
When talking about adaptability, I’d be sure to think of who can adapt for long periods of time, and why.

There are also people at home receiving their normal pay and not working at all.

 

[thomas998]

1) Of course the world will exist without theaters. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm focused on the people who work those jobs. Who depend on those jobs. Not just the $8/hr workers, but those in middle management who make $80-100K a year.

2) Your question is so asinine and short-sighted. First off, even if you take the number of cases in the US and multiplied it by 15x, you would still only have .7% of the population infected. It's not 1 out of every 100 people are automatically dead. It's 1.8% of those who GET it die, at this point (that number gets thrown out immediately if you take into account that more people than have been tested have it making it closer to .1% if you take the number of cases currently and multiplied by 15x). Not even going to spend additional time answering this ridiculous question.

It isn't a ridiculous question, nor are the numbers in any way ridiculous based on what is known about the virus at this point. We have a low infection rate because we have are quasi-lockdown going on and a ban on large gatherings Eliminate that ban on large gatherings and the number of cases will skyrocket so fast there will be no hope of getting everyone that need an ICU bed access to one. If that happens it really wouldn't be a 1 in a 100 death rate it would be much higher. But if you want to go pretend that nothing you can't see is going to hurt you feel free... I just want to know if the kid who loses his mom or dad from the virus would have been happier if their mom or dad had just lost their job but was still around to give them a hug.

 

[DCBaker]

Did Maryland go to June 10th too?

"The order is set to remain in effect until the state of emergency is over. Violations can be punished with a misdemeanor charge."

 

[NedLand]

That’s why I don’t watch MSNBC or CNN. we need to work together. Time to stop feeding the panic.

Yeah! Lets stick with the news channel that said this was a hoax instead.

 

[thomas998]

The world has existed with infectious diseases. Only one human disease has been successfully eradicated. There is no guarantee that a vaccine will be developed, that the virus will not mutate and that the virus will be eradicated.

Outside of overwhelmed resources, your odds of dying don’t increase because others survive.

And the ban on large gatherings is what will keep those resources from being overwhelmed... once they are overwhelmed we both know your odds of dying from it jump up a lot.

 

[VaderTron]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I have personally saved the planet 15 times at great personal risk.

That's why I used the word "most". I am happy to know you are quite possibly a hero. Of course, if that is the case, you won't want anyone to draw attention to the fact, but do it out of the belief it is the only meaningful way to live your life. Thank you's aren't necessary.

I'll thank you anyway.

 

[George]

It is very surreal.

Serious question... which news sources are considered trustworthy in the US?

It all depends on your personal politics and to be frank, our politics are quite stupid.

 

[412]

Serious question... which news sources are considered trustworthy in the US?

This Gallup poll is probably the best answer to your question.

From most trustworthy to least trustworthy in the view of Americans:

• Local TV news from area stations
• Local newspapers
• Local radio news
• Public TV news
• National Public Radio
• Nightly news programs on ABC, NBC, CBS
• Morning news and interview programs on national TV networks
• National newspapers (Wall Street Journal, New York Times, USA Today)
• CNN News
• Fox News
• News on the internet
• Radio talk shows
• TV talk shows
• Entertainment news programs

 

[Ravenclaw78]

Serious question... which news sources are considered trustworthy in the US?

Depends on what your political leanings are, and that's all I'll say about that. This site does a pretty good job of ranking news sources impartially, though: https://www.adfontesmedia.com

 

[thomas998]

It is very surreal.

It all depends on your personal politics and to be frank, our politics are quite stupid.

I think even the most liberal and conservative mainstream sources are providing the same basic facts when they speak about what is officially known about the virus... it is just that you often have to ignore the bias slant that they all put on everything. Unfortunately there is no source that gives you a Joe Friday "just the facts" run down... they all want to give it spin which is incredibly annoying.

 

[MisterPenguin]

MSNBC reported of possible priblem with the food supply. I thought it was sensational reporting and done for political reasons. It is just an example of the irresponsible reporting done by NBC news.

Chya... just went to watch that clip and there was nothing sensational about it.

An advocate for farm workers was raising issues about these workers, who, because they're essential workers, are not subject to stay at home rules. So, they are working often without protection. And many migrant workers are in camps where disease can spread rapidly. And with schools closed, don't have access to day care while they continue to work.

The advocate wanted legislation and aid for these worker. The possibility of food supply was mostly a second tier concern, but, given the reliance on this class of laborers who can be hit hard by CV19, should be a concern for all. Enough for governments to act sooner than later.

No one was raising the possibility of running out of food in the cities. No sensationalism at all.... unlike this thread currently.

 

[GoofGoof]

I don’t know the number of people who would still book a flight, take a cruise, or go to the mall.

What I know is that there are people and families in America who will not see any pay for several weeks, and have probably lost all medical benefits- not that they can go for anything other than an emergency now anyway, even if they pay for COBRA...we’ve seen study after study in this country showing that too many people live paycheck to paycheck and/or above their means.. now all of their means are taken from them.. then you add in the small business owners who are watching their life’s work crumble, and as a result- I predict unrest.
Maybe it won’t happen, but either way, I don’t think it’s as easy as simply saying “they know it’s for the good of our health”

To be absolutely clear- this is not in reference to short term orders.. I am specifically talking about if the orders turn into months ie Virginia

The government is providing relief. $1,200 per person in a one time check plus if unemployed on average $1,000 a week from unemployment covers almost anyone’s basic needs. People will riot if they can’t buy food or are removed from their homes. That’s not happening. All of the stuff talked about is averages and typical situations. I understand that not everyone is made whole by the government assistance but it takes the masses to rise up not the exceptions. I know it’s hard for small business owners but again, not the typical demographic to take to the streets and riot. I agree people will be unhappy. I agree they will complain about it to anyone that listens. I don’t see those same people taking to the street to riot. Just my opinion, O could be wrong.