Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Nubs70]

There are very strict and specific protocols for surgeons that include masks that radically reduced the risks associated with surgery.

Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study - PubMed

It has never been shown that wearing surgical face masks decreases postoperative wound infections. On the contrary, a 50% decrease has been reported after omitting face masks. The present study was designed to reveal any 30% or greater difference in general surgery wound infection rates by using...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Incomudro]

Exactly. He didn't lie. He told the truth based on his knowledge of respiratory viruses and PPE. He changed his tune when it started to become a thing to "do something" to make people feel safer and to have something for people to use for virtue signaling but he didn't want people trying to purchase the N95 respirators that would actually work when worn properly.

Just go back early in this thread and see all of the posters patting themselves on the back for caring so much about everybody else that they make sure to wear a piece of t-shirt on their face and how those same posters shamed those of us who didn't want to.

Bingo.

 

[Incomudro]

I get that we're not all Olympians. And, anecdotally based on news reports, hockey does seem to have an elevated risk.

PS: They won too, by a lot.

A dispute over virus testing suggests a lingering mistrust of Russia. (Published 2022)

Although Canadian officials avoided accusing their Russian counterparts of misconduct, they had reason for concern.

www.nytimes.com

Yeah, well... He's Canadian.
He's been psychologically programmed.

 

[Incomudro]

He has done it to himself. In June of 2020, he didn't say the science changed when asked specifically about why we were not wearing masks from the beginning. Saying the science evolved and we learned more would have made sense and would be consistent with his previous statement. It would have also aligned with what the surgeon general was saying at beginning. But rather than doing that, he talked about health care workers and the risk to our mask supply. Except he made no mention of that in March when he told us masks were not necessary. Hence the problem that he, and maybe those around him as well, created.

And then we can look to herd immunity... While he did say this goes up/down based on new studies, he also came out with this beauty of a statement....
"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent. Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, “I can nudge this up a bit,” so I went to 80, 85." Like what the heck?!?

Bottom line, how he is perceived is of his own doing. "The science has evolved" doesn't provide him cover for his statements. While I have never thought Fauci was doing things out of malice, I always thought he was the wrong face that our leaders were putting on TV as a messenger to the American people. He is just not that good at it.

Yes, there was no way the science of the effectiveness of n95's vs cloth or surgical masks had changed in such a short period of time.
How effective these masks are relative to each other was known for many years.
That's why there's a rating system, and recommendations about which one to choose for what purpose that you can read right on the box.

 

[mkt]

My wife had her final MFM/OB checkup before baby is due. Time to self isolate until baby arrives, because if either her or I get covid between now and then, I - the dad - will not be allowed in the hospital to meet my newborn son.

 

[Andrew C]

My wife had her final MFM/OB checkup before baby is due. Time to self isolate until baby arrives, because if either her or I get covid between now and then, I - the dad - will not be allowed in the hospital to meet my newborn son.

Yeah. That would be awful.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

FaucI knew cloth masks were not as good as N95, and he did not want the public to buy up all the N95 masks so that the medical professionals working all day in the faces of folks infected with COVID would have them, so he said to the general public that masks didn’t work, probably because, like I suggested, if he had said to the general public, please use cloth masks as it will help with casual contact but leave the N95 masks for the medical professionals, folks would have bought up all the N95s anyway.

Therefore, it was easier to say, masks don’t work.

My dad used to always say… what people say privately is usually more honest than what they say publicly. He meant that in regards to persons character but I think it applies to the truth also.

In Feb 2020 Fauci privately told a White House staffer via email not to bother with a cloth mask because they don’t stop the virus. I think that was truthful then and I think it’s still truthful now.

Had he revised that statement later to say to wear a cloth mask because it has some benefit in protecting others, despite it providing no real benefit to yourself, I think all of the statements would have been 100% truthful. Unfortunately they decided to go with the we said that to save them for healthcare workers which I think was a lie.

I don’t think Fauci tries to mislead the public, but I think those he works for probably interfere with his message more than we think, and as a result we aren’t getting his unfiltered comments like we should be from one of our top health officials.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

My wife had her final MFM/OB checkup before baby is due. Time to self isolate until baby arrives, because if either her or I get covid between now and then, I - the dad - will not be allowed in the hospital to meet my newborn son.

Congratulations!

 

[mkt]

Yeah, well... He's Canadian.
He's been psychologically programmed.

For what? To be polite, have a higher alcohol tolerance than Americans, use superfluous "U"s in words, call it zee - not zed, and never have to file for bankruptcy from medical bills?

Give me that lifestyle please.

 

[correcaminos]

My wife had her final MFM/OB checkup before baby is due. Time to self isolate until baby arrives, because if either her or I get covid between now and then, I - the dad - will not be allowed in the hospital to meet my newborn son.

Best wishes to you and your growing family!

 

[DCBaker]

 

[CLEtoWDW]

It’s science… political science that it.

Johns Hopkins released their findings last week that mitigation measures were basically useless and now all the politicians are forced to end the charade. Music to my ears.

 

[Timmay]

Which part?

The sketchy ROC test results?

That hockey rinks have been in lots of reports about transmission? (Not sure why, could the cold, hockey time, locker rooms, surrounding events, something else. Some of which apply here and some don't.)

That they wore self protection level masks not just "a few cloth strips"?

That they won?

Something else?

Personally, I'm no Olympian, I couldn't have played that well with or without a mask on. It's hard to argue that hitting the grocery store is harder than playing skilled hockey. I mean, sure, getting that triple coupon bonus on just the right product takes some skill.

Canada could have beaten ROC in full Level A hazmat protection. Moving on…

 

[danlb_2000]

It’s science… political science that it.

Johns Hopkins released their findings last week that mitigation measures were basically useless and now all the politicians are forced to end the charade. Music to my ears.

Unless I missed something, the Hopkins study only looked at the effect of lock downs, not other mitigation measures.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Unless I missed something, the Hopkins study only looked at the effect of lock downs, not other mitigation measures.

Social distancing has to have an effect. I believe all indoor masks have an effect as well and I think combining the 2 has an even better effect.

 

[DisneyFan32]

 

[JoeCamel]

Social distancing has to have an effect.

Yep, puts a smile on my face

 

[Lilofan]

I am happy to think your surgeon and his staff were focused of saving you and not what mask they had on. Hope all is well!

How lucky I was to have the chief surgeon on call on a Sunday to take my appendicts out right away. In my mind he is Doc, the leader of the Seven Dwarfs!

 

[JoeCamel]

We have seen this movie before, might have a different ending this time but hey, let's give it a shot. Why not?

 

[danlb_2000]

We have seen this movie before, might have a different ending this time but hey, let's give it a shot. Why not?

I would really be interested in seeing some data from PA schools. PA had a state wide mask mandate that was voided by the state supreme court back in December. Some school kept the mask requirement, others removed it. This would provide an perfect opportunity to compare since you would have a baseline for all schools under the mandate, and then that could be compare to schools that kept of dropped the mandate.