Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mmascari]

What they absolutely are though is clear reminders that there is a pandemic. They don’t let you ignore that situation.

Yup.

I think everyone posting here (give or take one or two) would agree that of all the possible mitigations that can be done, vaccination provides the largest risk reduction and is the most robust.

This really leaves us with 3 scenarios:

1. Just ignore the pandemic.
2. Keep doing mitigations that aren't the best ones but are better than nothing.
3. Mandate vaccination and exclude unvaccinated from more and more things.

There's clearly lots of people who are tired of doing the second. I'm all for ditching the second, let's just move to the endgame and do the third. It's always been the only real solution.

Otherwise, we're left with the first. Which is really people fighting about the second as the people who want the first argue with those who want the third but are unwilling/unable to commit to it so they settle for the second.

 

[Mike C]

Yup.

I think everyone posting here (give or take one or two) would agree that of all the possible mitigations that can be done, vaccination provides the largest risk reduction and is the most robust.

This really leaves us with 3 scenarios:

1. Just ignore the pandemic.
2. Keep doing mitigations that aren't the best ones but are better than nothing.
3. Mandate vaccination and exclude unvaccinated from more and more things.

There's clearly lots of people who are tired of doing the second. I'm all for ditching the second, let's just move to the endgame and do the third. It's always been the only real solution.

Otherwise, we're left with the first. Which is really people fighting about the second as the people who want the first argue with those who want the third but are unwilling/unable to commit to it so they settle for the second.

None of the above, many people got it recently with Omicron, most of with either no symptoms, very little to a few days of fatigue/headaches/etc, which changed pretty much everything. Politically it's over. Mandates will drop all over the place in the coming weeks.

 

[mmascari]

Lots of people are willing to wear them when they think it protects themselves and others. I don’t know a single person wearing to wear one as a reminder.

He didn't say people were wearing them as a reminder. He said that people who don't want to wear them and who would like to just call the pandemic over are reminded by seeing or being forced to wear masks that it's not really over. A reminder they don't really want.

Like going to WDW with a mega rich friend and getting the full VIP skip the line treatment. Then, going back without them and having to wait in line. You're not waiting in line to remind yourself that you're not mega rich. However, having to wait in line is clearly a reminder. If you then see a VIP skip the line that you're unable to afford, it's an even bigger reminder.

What I'm saying is, I would like someone to pay for my VIP skip the line package. If you could just purchase it directly, that would be nice. K, Thanks.

 

[drizgirl]

Everything said in the earliest stages of anything that’s trying to be scientifically figured out is a hypothesis. That IS how science works. You are incorrect. The best minds come up with a hypothesis, then work to approve or disprove it through testing.. studies.. which in turn leads to peer reviews. That’s how we get from point A to point B.


Experiment and observation need logic inference to interpret the result to get the truth in it:

“Give out hypothesis or idea then verify it or falsify it experimentally is one way for scientific discovery if the experiment result or observed phenomenon is correctly interpreted by logical inference, in this method for discovery, and it is equally important to use logical inference based on natural laws to interpret the experimental and observational result to get the truth. without the logical validation, any experimental and observational result is still not the truth yet.

Apple fall is the true phenomenon, but gravity is the essence of the truth behind it. Red shift is the true phenomenon, but energy dissipation is the essence of the truth behind it.
That is what science is.


The scientific method is often thought of as a straightforward process: form a hypothesis, test or try to disprove the hypothesis through experimentation, and then revise the hypothesis. ... Science works on the basis that in many areas there will be always more to know.

This assumes that everything they put out is a good faith effort at sharing the truth. That's a pretty big assumption.

The problem is that public faith is a tenuous thing, something not to be trifled with because once it's lost, it can be very hard to get back.

The mask story was pretty clearly NOT a good faith effort to impart the honest facts. It was a manipulation of public behavior. It was for the greater good, but people don't really discern that. They trust or they don't. And that lie by Fauci did untold damage.

 

[drizgirl]

What they absolutely are though is clear reminders that there is a pandemic. They don’t let you ignore that situation.

Throughout this thing, I liked to hope that once there was no longer an actual clinical need for masks we could all agree to stop.

This "wear them as a reminder" thing is over the top.

I'm not 3. I'm not wearing a mask to remind me of something.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

This really leaves us with 3 scenarios:

1. Just ignore the pandemic.
2. Keep doing mitigations that aren't the best ones but are better than nothing.
3. Mandate vaccination and exclude unvaccinated from more and more things

3. Is not a realistic option in this country. It simply will not happen.

So that leaves us with 1 & 2. I think it’s wrong to ignore the pandemic so I’m still at #2.

 

[mmascari]

Throughout this thing, I liked to hope that once there was no longer an actual clinical need for masks we could all agree to stop.

This "wear them as a reminder" thing is over the top.

I'm not 3. I'm not wearing a mask to remind me of something.

That would be. It's a good thing that's not what was said.

Nobody is wearing a mask as a reminder. Nobody said that's why anyone is wearing a mask.

For people done with the pandemic and wanting to pretend it's over (since it's clearly not), seeing masks is definitely a reminder that it's not over.

 

[Andrew C]

3. Is not a realistic option in this country. It simply will not happen.

So that leaves us with 1 & 2. I think it’s wrong to ignore the pandemic so I’m still at #2.

1.5. Get vaccinated and move on with your life.

 

[mmascari]

3. Is not a realistic option in this country. It simply will not happen.

We've done it before. I'm confident we'll be able to do it again. It may just take 5, 10, or 20 years. Probably not 20.

So that leaves us with 1 & 2. I think it’s wrong to ignore the pandemic so I’m still at #2.

Yup, that's kind of where we'll be stuck until we get to 3. With lots of fighting too.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

1.5. Get vaccinated and move on with your life.

I am vaccinated. I don’t think wearing a mask in public is not “moving on with my life.”

Since many vaccinated people are getting covid I don’t think it’s wise for anyone to ignore that it is still very much a reality.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Throughout this thing, I liked to hope that once there was no longer an actual clinical need for masks we could all agree to stop.

This "wear them as a reminder" thing is over the top.

I'm not 3. I'm not wearing a mask to remind me of something.

Who said anything about wearing a mask to remind you of something? Seeing people wearing a mask is a reminder that there is a pandemic. Social distancing markers are a reminder that there is a pandemic. Capacity limits are a reminder that there is a pandemic. Vaccination requirements are a reminder that there is a pandemic. If you just want to put it all behind you and love on then you can’t have constant reminders that things aren’t “back to normal.”

 

[Andrew C]

I don’t think wearing a mask in public is not “moving on with my life.”

Then don’t wear one. Unless it’s mandated in your state?
Being vaccinated isn’t ignoring anything. It’s understanding you have protected yourself if you were to get the virus. Ignoring is being unvaccinated and walking around without any sort of mitigation efforts.

 

[DisneyCane]

Everything said in the earliest stages of anything that’s trying to be scientifically figured out is a hypothesis. That IS how science works. You are incorrect. The best minds come up with a hypothesis, then work to approve or disprove it through testing.. studies.. which in turn leads to peer reviews. That’s how we get from point A to point B.

These things weren't stated as a hypothesis. They were stated as if they were proven theories.

 

[correcaminos]

He didn't say people were wearing them as a reminder. He said that people who don't want to wear them and who would like to just call the pandemic over are reminded by seeing or being forced to wear masks that it's not really over. A reminder they don't really want.

Like going to WDW with a mega rich friend and getting the full VIP skip the line treatment. Then, going back without them and having to wait in line. You're not waiting in line to remind yourself that you're not mega rich. However, having to wait in line is clearly a reminder. If you then see a VIP skip the line that you're unable to afford, it's an even bigger reminder.

What I'm saying is, I would like someone to pay for my VIP skip the line package. If you could just purchase it directly, that would be nice. K, Thanks.

Would do it but I cannot get one booked. Crazy enough they were booked solid for spring break. They need to bring back more guides to give us a chance. Like peasants I was on hold 3.5 hours to be told nope....

Not mega rich either, just have $7500 from the EV tax break that I was going to put to fun use. Now I'll boring like likely pay off my car instead.

 

[danlb_2000]

This assumes that everything they put out is a good faith effort at sharing the truth. That's a pretty big assumption.

The problem is that public faith is a tenuous thing, something not to be trifled with because once it's lost, it can be very hard to get back.

The mask story was pretty clearly NOT a good faith effort to impart the honest facts. It was a manipulation of public behavior. It was for the greater good, but people don't really discern that. They trust or they don't. And that lie by Fauci did untold damage.

The messaging from another important person at that time did way more damage then anything Fauci said, but that's getting into politics.

 

[correcaminos]

1.5. Get vaccinated and move on with your life.

Tell me how I can just move on and not wear a mask when it's still required places? There is the problem. Move on if vaccinated doesn't help with the unvaccinated aspect of the pandemic.

 

[Homer fan]

Can’t we just pretend that it’s over? I mean it’s just 2,000 people a day dying. What’s the big deal?

You do know that over 9,300 people die every day in the US alone…if we pointed out every death, diagnosis or positive test of everything out there on a daily basis, we’d never leave our homes. Grow up and live your life.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You do know that over 9,300 people die every day in the US alone…if we pointed out every death, diagnosis or positive test of everything out there on a daily basis, we’d never leave our homes. Grow up and live your life.

Again.... why does wearing a mask = not living life?

 

[DisneyDebRob]

This assumes that everything they put out is a good faith effort at sharing the truth. That's a pretty big assumption.

The problem is that public faith is a tenuous thing, something not to be trifled with because once it's lost, it can be very hard to get back.

The mask story was pretty clearly NOT a good faith effort to impart the honest facts. It was a manipulation of public behavior. It was for the greater good, but people don't really discern that. They trust or they don't. And that lie by Fauci did untold damage.

My reply wasn’t to the mask post. My reply was to the “ that’s not how science works” post.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

These things weren't stated as a hypothesis. They were stated as if they were proven theories.

Everything stated in science in the beginning is a hypothesis. Always has been.. unless we have encountered something exactly the same as in the past. Usually doesn’t happen. I don’t remember him ever saying something,followed by “ this is a proven theory”. That’s the way you took it.