Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Chip Chipperson]

Google the quote. It's on video from a CNN town hall. I don't want to risk violating forum rules with a more specific answer.

Ok, so that was from July 2021 - 6+ months after the vaccines rolled out. It's from a source anti-vaxxers are unlikely to trust and was clearly not articulated well. It's not a message the CDC, FDA, WHO, or pharmaceutical companies communicated.

 

[Lilofan]

The idea of therapeutics is a newish idea coming from some anti-vax groups. Much like those who say it's a shot and not a vaccine. It's hard to dispel these ideas as we are such a mess in other ways. But it's a talking point to get people to not vax or boost. And I'm not entirely sure why. One person I know is anti-pharm - the type that believes it's all about money. So there is some of that for some. But it is, in the end a newer way of talking about why vaccines aren't needed. I heard this first earlier in the fall. My response to the people is that, it's not a theraputic and it is a vaccine but not to argue too much. I actually get and sympathize with big pharm being money grubbing but it's one that I find is harder to disprove without long winded arguments. I save it for the doctors to talk about lol

Got it. Also the crazed anti vaxxer Christopher Key got some gullible ones to fall for his " urine therapy" instead of getting the vaccine.

 

[LittleBuford]

Biden gave incorrect information, which he shouldn’t have done even if his intentions were good. I don’t see how that justifies any of the anti-vax rhetoric that fills this thread. Pointing to others’ wrongdoing as a defence for one’s own is something I was taught not to do as a child.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Does anybody who supports vaccine mandates and strict mitigation want to take a shot at explaining why Australia, which has 77.5% of the population fully vaccinated and all kinds of crazy mitigation, is having a worse Omicron outbreak in cases per capita than FL (and many other States in the US) which has 64% fully vaccinated and very little mitigation?

The shape of the Omicron curve in Australia looks essentially the same as it does everywhere else.

I believe it’s also a matter of lack of covid exposure in past means a bigger impact.

So you have a larger population of people who are untouched by covid, meaning zero immunity.

That’s why some countries with higher vaccination rates don’t do as well as some states, because the unvaccinated in those states offset it a bit, as a good chunk of that group has had covid, where as the unvaccinated in Australia are less likely to have had any exposure before, making a perfect storm.

Part of the reason South Africa is believed to have done better is because the population is younger and more have had covid. Most have had covid.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Biden gave incorrect information, which he shouldn’t have done even if his intentions were good. I don’t see how that justifies any of the anti-vax rhetoric that fills this thread. Pointing to others’ wrongdoing as a defence for one’s own is something I was taught not to do as a child.

It's also disingenuous to cite it as if it was something said by many people in positions of authority and went unchecked. Even CNN fact-checked it and pointed out what he said was wrong, and also what he said that was accurate.

 

[mkt]

Len Testa and Jim Hill

Those two dinosaurs are still around?

(in case this wasn't obvious

 

[DisneyCane]

Part of the reason South Africa is believed to have done better is because the population is younger and more have had covid. Most have had covid.

There are 67 million known cases in the USA. The CDC (before Omicron) estimated 2-3 times the actual number of infections likely happened. With Omicron, I suspect it is even more.

It is quite possible (I'd argue probable) that most of the US population has been infected by now.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Got it. Also the crazed anti vaxxer Christopher Key got some gullible ones to fall for his " urine therapy" instead of getting the vaccine.

I refuse to Google "urine therapy". I know the results will simply horrify me, and possibly cause a call from HR if my internet use at work is ever tracked.

 

[RoadiJeff]

You know how to catch Omicron these days? Simply leave your home. I would not be surprised at a percentage like this..

Actually, I wouldn't even have to leave my home. My healthcare professional wife tested positive for COVID last Wednesday. Fortunately, she's had both Pfizer vaccines and a booster and her symptoms are fairly mild. However, we're wearing masks in the house and she's staying on one floor and I'm staying on another and I occasionally disinfect various door handles and other things that we both have to use.

I think one kiss would do it for me though, if I wanted to catch it. Not going to happen.

 

[Nubs70]

Actually, I wouldn't even have to leave my home. My healthcare professional wife tested positive for COVID last Wednesday. Fortunately, she's had both Pfizer vaccines and a booster and her symptoms are fairly mild. However, we're wearing masks in the house and she's staying on one floor and I'm staying on another and I occasionally disinfect various door handles and other things that we both have to use.

I think one kiss would do it for me though, if I wanted to catch it. Not going to happen.

Have you taped off the cold air returns on the affected floor?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Have you taped off the cold air returns on the affected floor?

It’s only funny because it’s true….

 

[dovetail65]

Actually, I wouldn't even have to leave my home. My healthcare professional wife tested positive for COVID last Wednesday. Fortunately, she's had both Pfizer vaccines and a booster and her symptoms are fairly mild. However, we're wearing masks in the house and she's staying on one floor and I'm staying on another and I occasionally disinfect various door handles and other things that we both have to use.

I think one kiss would do it for me though, if I wanted to catch it. Not going to happen.

You won't get it!

We had two people get it, the sickest never had a vaccination, the idiot boyfriend that brought it in the house. Then my daughter got it, she had no booster yet. The rest of us with a booster never got it and we were all exposed to this kid the same time.

The day she tested positive we all started wearing wearing N95 in the home. The rest of us never got Covid and today we all tested negative, even the two that had it!

So no one in heck can tell me vaccines, boosters and masks don't have an effect. This home was a mini test bed and I am sure it's playing out the same all over the USA. No vax, super sick, boostered hardly sick or not even sick, no masks catch it, wear masks religiously and correctly don't catch it. And by wear correctly I mean the N95 that are REAL. They are tight and the air doesn't come in from around the tight fit! Betting 75% of people do not wear those masks correctly. I know this to be true because even on amazon you will hear, oh two over the head straps or oh those are too tight or oh those are hard to breath through and they give these true N95 bad ratings when in fact that's how good N 95 are! I pulled out a pack real 3M N95 I had stashed form 5 years ago, that things are tight as heck!

People can say my home was just luck, it is one home it means nothing. Okay then, I made my own luck and all my beliefs that come from scientific reviews just happened to mirror exactly what happened in my home. If that is luck I pray that luck for everyone else. Get vaccinated, wear a mask and BUDGET your exposure time out in the world and if you do your odds of getting Covid are reduced.

Or you can do nothing be sick 2 weeks like my daughters numbskull boyfriend who still has not gone back to work!

Have you taped off the cold air returns on the affected floor?

Not even needed. Heck four people in the house shared a kitchen adn one floor and never got it.

 

[LittleBuford]

Actually, I wouldn't even have to leave my home. My healthcare professional wife tested positive for COVID last Wednesday. Fortunately, she's had both Pfizer vaccines and a booster and her symptoms are fairly mild. However, we're wearing masks in the house and she's staying on one floor and I'm staying on another and I occasionally disinfect various door handles and other things that we both have to use.

I think one kiss would do it for me though, if I wanted to catch it. Not going to happen.

Serious question just in case I'm ever in the same situation: If you're on different floors with closed doors between you, why would you need to wear masks?

 

[Nubs70]

Serious question just in case I'm ever in the same situation: If you're on different floors with closed doors between you, why would you need to wear masks?

Aerosolized particles and HVAC

 

[The Mom]

Serious question just in case I'm ever in the same situation: If you're on different floors with closed doors between you, why would you need to wear masks?

I suspect that they still had to eat, so wore a mask in case the other was also hungry at the same time.

My SIL and late BIL did this for decades when they were sick - except no masks - spending as much time as possible in different rooms. They always seemed to get some sort of bug on their yearly ski trips.

 

[Nubs70]

It’s only funny because it’s true….

Did that to my daughter's room when she came back from Austria in Feb 2020

 

[Disney Analyst]

There are 67 million known cases in the USA. The CDC (before Omicron) estimated 2-3 times the actual number of infections likely happened. With Omicron, I suspect it is even more.

It is quite possible (I'd argue probable) that most of the US population has been infected by now.

I think the difference right now with Omicron and the US, is that previous infection doesn't seem to really matter, you can still get Omicron.

 

[LittleBuford]

I suspect that they still had to eat, so wore a mask in case the other was also hungry at the same time.

I don't understand. If they're in separate rooms, with doors closed and on different floors to boot, why would masks be necessary if one of them happens to be eating (or talking, or singing, etc.)? Is there any evidence that the virus can be spread with so many physical barriers between the occupants of a shared building?

 

[LittleBuford]

Aerosolized particles and HVAC

I saw your reply after @The Mom's. I suppose that makes more sense. I've never lived in a building with air circulating through vents, which is why I was puzzled by the the need for masks in different rooms. Still, I'd be curious to know whether such air is really capable of transmitting the virus.

 

[The Mom]

I don't understand. If they're in separate rooms, with doors closed and on different floors to boot, why would masks be necessary if one of them happens to be eating (or talking, or singing, etc.)? Is there any evidence that the virus can be spread with so many physical barriers between the occupants of a shared building?

I was supposing that one was in the kitchen and the other walked in. In the isolation scenario that was given, one of them would have to leave if not wearing a mask. I personally would just sleep in separate rooms, and spend as little time as possible with the other person, but would not wear a mask.