Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mkt]

Well you know that's how communism works.

All totalitarian systems of government work that way, not just communism.

 

[marymarypoppins]

those people are idiots...stupid internet influencers. The airlines are making it VERY difficult to come back...love it

Why are they idiots? Lots of people are traveling these days. Why are they any different from the families visiting Disney ?

 

[TalkingHead]

I agee the single 7 day average is only a single point in time. That is why Florida has a total of 292 deaths per 100k is more important. Same is true for New York's 307 and New Jersey's 330, which are both higher than Florida. However, since Covid19 was supposed to hit seniors harder than others, that make Florida's medical treatment even better.

Simply impossible to draw any conclusions using Florida’s death numbers. Pretty apparent there’s some obfuscation involved.

 

[mkt]

I haven't traveled to Mexico since around 10 years ago when my wife and I had our crappy sandals stolen off the beach in Cancun when we took a 10 minute walk. After that, we made the decision never to return.

If somebody was that desperate to steal those I would have bought them sandals if they had asked but to have them stolen like that made for an unpleasant vacation.

Ah yes, one idiot is reflective of an entire country.

I still love going to South Beach, BTW.

I live 15 minutes from South Beach, and I refuse to set foot there.

If you told me "Rob, you have to either drive round trip to WDW or to South Beach in a single day", I'd take the 8 hour round trip drive to WDW.

 

[correcaminos]

I agee the single 7 day average is only a single point in time. That is why Florida has a total of 292 deaths per 100k is more important. Same is true for New York's 307 and New Jersey's 330, which are both higher than Florida. However, since Covid19 was supposed to hit seniors harder than others, that make Florida's medical treatment even better.

Now, none of the numbers mean anything. We don't know. The CDC keeps saying the outbreak is for the unvaccinated but the numbers in States with the highest vaccination rates are worse. I have said for over a year we need to test for antibodies but the government has not done this. I contend that if we tested for antibodies and took steps to either vaccinate and boost only those without antinodies or advised those without them that it was their responsibility for what may happen that we could beat this. However, if we continue down the path of just testing for covid19 we will never end this because there are just too many people who lose antibodies quickly or never develop them.

So you are saying vaccination is useless? Sorry your viewpoint is narrow and ignoring conditions around you. The hospitalization absolutely show this is a pandemic for the unvaccinated. No doubt about it. They get it faster, they spread longer, and they use the resources most. Not sure what you are getting at but honestly I'm out of this conversation as it seems to be headed to a place I won't even entertain.

 

[LittleBuford]

The CDC keeps saying the outbreak is for the unvaccinated

This simply isn’t true. The CDC fully acknowledges that breakthrough infections happen while stressing that vaccination protects against severe illness and death, an assertion that the science fully substantiates. You are spreading misinformation.

 

[James J]

Why are they idiots? Lots of people are traveling these days. Why are they any different from the families visiting Disney ?

I mean, people who do this on an airplane are very much idiots:

 

[Heppenheimer]

I agee the single 7 day average is only a single point in time. That is why Florida has a total of 292 deaths per 100k is more important. Same is true for New York's 307 and New Jersey's 330, which are both higher than Florida. However, since Covid19 was supposed to hit seniors harder than others, that make Florida's medical treatment even better.

Now, none of the numbers mean anything. We don't know. The CDC keeps saying the outbreak is for the unvaccinated but the numbers in States with the highest vaccination rates are worse. I have said for over a year we need to test for antibodies but the government has not done this. I contend that if we tested for antibodies and took steps to either vaccinate and boost only those without antinodies or advised those without them that it was their responsibility for what may happen that we could beat this. However, if we continue down the path of just testing for covid19 we will never end this because there are just too many people who lose antibodies quickly or never develop them.

This simply isn't practical on the scale that would be required. Antibody testing can only happen from a blood draw, which involves far more infrastructure (people, expendable and durable medical equipment, time, space, etc.) than a simple nasal swab. And it isn't very reliable either because it ignores the role of T cells in immunity, which can only be measured indirectly from a series of complicated lab procedures.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

This is a very in-depth report directing anyone with any questions about anything to do with COVID. From variants to masks to legal issues with businesses requiring masks,etc. The good thing about it is you have to click the area you are interested in instead of reading a long article. Give it a try.

Find out everything you need to know about coronavirus and COVID-19 in our resource guide, from how it started to how to stay safe to mental health tips.

What you need to know about coronavirus and COVID-19, including vaccine information, what to do if you think you might be sick and how to keep you and your family safe.

www.usatoday.com

 

[DisneyFan32]

CNBC - Moderna CEO says 4th booster may be needed in the fall

However, one has to consider that Pfizer, Moderna and any other COVID vaccine manufacturer makes billions off of additional vaccines and boosters.

Ugh. Why the pandemic will be even longer for years. Fall 2022-Winter 2022-2023 will be same as 2021 and 2020.
I want the pandemic will be over before Fall 2022. I really hope mutant variants will be less problems by Fall 2022 if more people are vaccinated and get boosted.

 

[mkt]

This simply isn’t true. The CDC fully acknowledges that breakthrough infections happen while stressing that vaccination protects against severe illness and death, an assertion that the science fully substantiates. You are spreading misinformation.

The more lethal outbreak vs the "sore throat and fever" outbreak?

 

[Parker in NYC]

When the pandemic will finally be over? Late Spring/Summer 2022?

Hold my beer.

 

[Parker in NYC]

CNBC - Moderna CEO says 4th booster may be needed in the fall

However, one has to consider that Pfizer, Moderna and any other COVID vaccine manufacturer makes billions off of additional vaccines and boosters.

So, you’re saying we shouldn’t get the booster. (Sorry, translating for the stupid people in the back).

 

[maui2k7]

So, you’re saying we shouldn’t get the booster. (Sorry, translating for the stupid people in the back).

Not what I am saying... Everyone has to determine what is best for them, not just based on what a CEO says.

 

[DisneyFan32]

UPDATE 1-CDC chief says U.S. COVID cases likely have not yet peaked

WASHINGTON, Jan 7 (Reuters) - The Omicron-driven surge in U.S. COVID-19 cases has likely not topped out yet, the head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Friday as schools, hospitals and businesses struggle with rising caseloads.

"I don't believe we've seen the peak yet here in the United States," CDC Director Rochelle Walensky told NBC News' "Today" program.

Health officials have urged Americans not to get complacent in the face of the highly-transmissible variant, noting that even if it turns out to induce milder disease the fact that it is more contagious means a higher volume of cases, including more severe ones.

The United States reported 662,000 new COVID cases on Thursday, the fourth highest daily U.S. total ever recorded and just three days after a record of nearly 1 million cases was reported, according to a Reuters tally.

The seven-day average for new cases set a record for a 10th day in a row at 597,000 new infections, while COVID hospitalizations reached nearly 123,000 and are approaching the record of over 132,000 set last year, the data showed.

Deaths, an indicator that lags behind hospitalizations, remain fairly steady at 1,400 a day, according to the tally.

"We are still seeing those numbers rising," Walensky said, noting that while cases outpaced hospitalizations and deaths, rising hospitalizations were primarily among the unvaccinated.

Rising cases have forced hospital systems in nearly half of U.S. states to postpone elective surgeries.

While many school systems have vowed to continue in-person instruction, some have faced ad hoc closures as cases rise. Chicago Public Schools, the third-largest U.S. education district, were closed for a third day on Friday amid a teacher walkout over COVID-19 protections.

U.S. and other officials have said schools can be safely opened, especially amid widely available vaccines and boosters, and the CDC on Thursday issued new guidelines for schools on isolation policies.

While the United States is fighting a surge right now, the country will have to face the long-term impacts, Walensky said.

"We are definitely looking at a time ahead of us where COVID... will be an endemic virus," she told NBC.

Officials continue to press vaccinations as the best protection against COVID, although federal mandates requiring them have become politically contentious.

Later on Friday, the U.S. Supreme Court will weigh requests to block President Joe Biden's vaccine mandate for larger employers and a separate similar requirement for healthcare facilities.

Ugh. Hopefully by between Fall 2022 and Winter 2022-2023, COVID will be under control by then as the pandemic is ending soon.
I hope NJ Transit will lift mask mandate for inside trains and buses by Summer 2022/Fall 2022.

 

[danlb_2000]

This simply isn't practical on the scale that would be required. Antibody testing can only happen from a blood draw, which involves far more infrastructure (people, expendable and durable medical equipment, time, space, etc.) than a simple nasal swab. And it isn't very reliable either because it ignores the role of T cells in immunity, which can only be measured indirectly from a series of complicated lab procedures.

... and do we even know what level of antibodies are needed to provide protection?

 

[Kman]

Why are they idiots? Lots of people are traveling these days. Why are they any different from the families visiting Disney ?

watch the video...they're idiots

 

[Parker in NYC]

watch the video...they're idiots

Don’t point out the obvious to the obvious. It’s a losing game.

 

[Andrew C]

Fun? Like the recent crazy charter flight fun like unmasked, drinking, vaping etc during the flight from Canada to Mexico where 30 of them are quarantined in MEX because testing positive? BTW, the whole group is stuck there. Canada and the charter company won't fly them back home. Better keep charging on that credit card for unexpected expenses.

The ones from Quebec? Where did you read they tested positive? I just thought they were told by the airlines they would not fly them back due to being unruly?

Quebec has had some serious lockdowns throughout the pandemic. They got that taste of freedom and went crazy. Bunch of sillies forgot about the consequences.

 

[Jenny72]

The first time I heard that there might be a third and then even a fourth shot, I thought, this is just nuts. But as it turns out, it's totally normal. The polio vaccine is three or four shots! And that certainly wasn't developed by Big Pharma looking to make an extra buck. I actually had no idea that so many vaccines required multiple shots. Plus boosters after a certain number of years. (I just did whatever the pediatrician said and didn't even ask which shots were boosters or whatever). I think it would help if more people knew this.