Parents took me several times in the 70's and like you I don't recall hearing any foreign languages in the parks. Would be interesting to know when MK started providing the basic information pamphlets in foreign languages. I know they were around in the early 2000's but I never really looked for them prior to that so I'm not sure when they Disney started making them, but it would be a clue as to when they decided that international visitors was something they cared about.
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I contend Disney may try to renegotiate the union contracts, most contracts have a provision that allows for the contract to be revisited if certain events come about, and this shutdown would probably trigger it. If it does, then how much negotiating power will the union have when the parks are closed? The unions had power when the parks were running because they could have shut them down... but that isn't the case this time.
As for cost of good dropping, why would Disney pay the same price if they knew the costs of the energy and raw materials of the company they were buying from had dropped? They wouldn't. These are not the good nice kind businessmen that care about others, these are greedy b***ds that would sell their mother for a nickle on a good day, and now you have them desperately trying to make up for lost income. They aren't going to play nice they will probably be playing nastier now than ever before. Remember these are kind caring businessmen that brought in cheap IS employees from India so they could fire the more expensive American workers. Don't think they care about anyone but themselves.
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In most every contract you will have some provisions to revisit the contract. Sometimes it will be spelled out in very specific terms and in others it will be more vague. I haven't seen the Disney contract, so I can't say for certain what provisions they have but in every company I've worked at where we had union contracts they all had ways that they could be renegotiated if the business was suffering. I would be shocked if the lawyers at Disney didn't throw in some provisions for this. Generally the unions don't worry about it because most people never think about how really bad things can actually happen and if they believe that the triggers will never be tripped they generally don't even bother to outline them in the overviews that they share with the union members that are voting. And yes the members can read the whole thing but they normally don't and just listen to the union leaders that will often just throw out the things the members care about which is usually benefits and pay.
Lora Baines Bradley
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Thank you for explaining this. For the sake of my CM friends I hope their raises still go through.
If they haven't they should probably read the contracts carefully to see if there are any little bombs that can go off because of what has happened. If they weren't provided with paper copies of the contracts they will have been given some way of accessing them... although I've known many people working under union contracts that have actually never bothered to look at them, pretty much the way most employee never bother to read the employee handbooks they are given when they go to work for a company.
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very interesting.
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Rich Brownn
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Well, we do know at one time Disney considered locating in St Louis. But Florida was chosen only partial for the weather (it was determined it needed to open year round). It also had a lot of cheap land, and a road system under development that led right to their door. I doubt even now they would put a park that couldn't operate year round -- at least the planned Disney America would had winter operations.
Of course, it wasn't until after the bought the land in Florida they actually investigated it, leading to Joe Fowler's famous quote. "we bought 27,000 acres of the sorriest piece of land on earth. Most of it is underwater."
thecouch
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Our local politician in my part of Australia sent a message out with crime stopper phone number on it to dob in any tourist. I live about hour north of Sydney and its normally packed Easter weekend. Non essential travel is ban so no holidays of even visiting family members. Can get fines for more then 1 non household member in your car even. He made special mention for neighbours of Airbnb and other holiday houses to call cops
There’s a online system in place in the UK now for reporting premises breaking the distancing rules.
LittleBuford
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Thanks for these details. As a Brit, I had no trouble understanding "dob in", but our American friends may need a translation:
dob somebody in | meaning of dob somebody in in Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English | LDOCE
dob somebody in meaning, definition, what is dob somebody in: to tell someone, usually a person in aut...: Learn more.
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LittleBuford
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I should have been clearer, as both you and @thecouch misunderstood my intent. I wasn't asking for general details of these new policing measures, which I know are happening right now in various places. I was asking for specific details of the incident to which she referred. It's easy to paint the neighbours as officious spoilsports, but I'd like to know the facts for myself before accepting such a characterisation.
Is is. Well, 70-90ft, but it is also intrinsically linked to the central Florida water table. They didn’t build the water management system just for fun.
Possibly but if not when it comes to the next contract negotiations, don't expect a bed of roses to be offered in terms of compensation during these uncertain times.
Replacing American workers with foreign staff to do the same job for cheaper labor? There is a slew of American based companies doing the same thing to keep labor costs down, not obligated to cover foreign workers with health insurance and profitability up to keep the shareholders happy. And if the companies kept the American workers and paid them with higher wages, then more labor costs would be passed onto the consumer in terms of in higher pricing of products. Are we ready to pay higher prices? That's nothing new. There is a reason why approx 80% of our medication, and lots of our merchandise and electronics are made and come from China.
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I think post corona times that many companies big and small will be restructured more efficiently due to changing economic conditions. This always affects the current number of employees on who is needed, and who is going to be eliminated. If more workers will be based at home instead of at the office then there will be some losers that come out of this. Less office space would be leased, discretionary income spending felt in small business income losses ( gas/convenience stores, local coffee,lunch places, dry cleaning, less need to update business attire, etc ).NYT on Bob Iger -
"The former C.E.O. thought he was riding into the sunset. Now he’s reasserting control and reimagining Disney as a company with fewer employees and more thermometers."
Bob Iger Thought He Was Leaving on Top. Now, He’s Fighting for Disney’s Life. (Published 2020)
The former C.E.O. thought he was riding into the sunset. Now he’s reasserting control and reimagining Disney as a company with fewer employees and more thermometers.www.nytimes.com
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Timmay
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Or, he could have left the bus when asked. This isn’t a case of only one side being at fault.
I never said other businesses didn't do it. I simply made the point that they do this type of thing and it shows that they don't give a rat a** about the employees only the bottom line. In that respect you can be assured they will try to get the CM's for as little as possible and work them as hard as possible.
That's true... if the Disney management is looking very far ahead all this means is they will be negotiating an even longer contract to put that off as long as possible or doing all they can to break the union, which although difficult to accomplish isn't impossible... though I doubt management at Disney looks that far ahead, the typical mindset of American businessmen is looking short term and kicking the potential or future problems down the road and assuming you'll be somewhere else when the problems do happen so it won't be your concern.
SpoiledBlueMilk
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By "Don't think they care about anyone but themselves" I take it to mean that they don't care about anyone but their shareholders. As a shareholder, I am fine with that.
MotherOfBirds
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Perhaps this has been mentioned before, but I'm curious what the consensus is on prices at WDW once the coast is clear. I'm expecting something not unlike the post-9/11 tourism crash, so the insane prices of 2019 are just not going to fly anymore if they want butts in monorail seats. So many people who could afford it, or barely afford it, are out of work, took a pay cut, or will just be too anxious about traveling for a while after it's safe to do so. That's a big hit for The Mouse.
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