Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Tool ? Eww, embrace Rammstein and burn it out.

Ok...you win the Internet with the rammstein reference

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If that perception leads to shorter lines then it’s better for those who go

Yeah...I’ve already stated that and watched travel stocks start to get racked...

But I don’t want to state it again to tip off what I’m really up to

 

[lisa12000]

In the US, we're talking about 164 cases across the entire country as of Friday afternoon. There's really no unreasonable burden on a state or local government if they decide to enforce mandatory quarantines on patients while they await their test results (and afterwards if they test positive). In the case of the father and daughter attending a dance, the father's other daughter was the first positive case in that state. Enforcing a quarantine on a single family should be a relatively simple thing to do. Local officials gave the family the benefit of the doubt and that family effectively told them to go to hell. Somehow, even after that, local officials only warned them that if they break the quarantine a second time then they'll enforce a mandatory quarantine. There shouldn't be second chances for someone willing to risk infecting others.

I agree for now and those people are inherently selfish and should be ashamed! I know I would never forgive myself if someone died due to me infecting them when I had the chance not to - the question is when it gets worse and there are many more people who need to be monitored - just not sure resources are there to do that

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Our elected leaders say it’s no big deal. Just listen to them.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/16/9c/8e/169c8e69b3dbb6a1fa3437a746ff3cee.jpg

 

[John park hopper]

Unfortunately, that ship sailed weeks ago.

It's never too late here in SC we had no cases and just in the last few days we now have 6 --all who just came back from Italy

 

[Parker in NYC]

Well, they found it in my work building — also a major transportation hub. We’ll see what happens.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Close to 600 as of now...

A small number to be sure. But again - it’s highlighting how off the message/responses have been that has been pretty panicked

Oh wow, the CDC really needs to update its site more than once per day. After I read your post, I went back and checked and realized that Friday's numbers were actually as of 4 PM Thursday. You would hope that they would have more up-to-date information than the media. Even at 600 cases, there are still 17 states that haven't had a single positive case (yet) according to CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/03/health/us-coronavirus-cases-state-by-state/index.html) - and Wisconsin's sole positive case was back around February 5, so hopefully the lack of positive cases there since then is a sign that isolating that patient worked and not just a function of test kits not being available.

 

[networkpro]

They can't see the forest for the trees, seems like that would be the first line of defense

Its the hands off epidemiology approach... treating it as if it were a social disease

Travel to where though? Anywhere out of your house? Out of your county?

Let's be logical if possible instead of inciting more FUD. Not everyone has traveled recently to China, Italy or have been confined on an airplane, or cruise ship with those who have.

 

[techgeek]

trouble is how do you do it? over in the uk it’s impossible to stop a few football thugs who have been banned from games getting in to grounds how on earth do you monitor mandatory quarantines for possibly thousands of people - I know that we don’t have the resources(or the will) for that

You don’t give them places to go. Close non-essential workplaces, institute work from home if possible. Limit means of travel. Reduce exposure to the regular and obvious places people gather. Give people the resources to practice social distancing (Reduce capacity in public spaces like restaurants and shops, provide extra surface cleaning, etc) in the places that are left.

 

[Chef Mickey]

You don’t give them places to go. Close non-essential workplaces, institute work from home if possible. Limit means of travel. Reduce exposure to the regular and obvious places people gather. Give people the resources to practice social distancing (Reduce capacity in public spaces like restaurants and shops, provide extra surface cleaning, etc) in the places that are left.

And do you not lift that until the virus is gone? How long does that take? And it still doesn't guarantee success.

I mean, I get it...you can get really draconian and just shut it all down, but what are we avoiding here? This isn't ebola.

Why don't we shut everything down for the flu that kills 500,000 people/yr?

 

[arich35]

I read a story this morning about a family under quarantine, where the mother had COVID-19. The father took his daughter to a father-daughter dance despite being under quarantine.

Examples like this are going to be all-too common, unfortunately.

A little off. This is from an area I live. Their 20 year old daughter was coming back from Italy, she took an Amtrak from Chicago to St. Louis and started having symptoms Thursday and called the health department. She went to the hospital the next day and the test came back positive Saturday evening. Her sister is a freshman at a local high school so her and her father went to an event that evening (I believe they were already out before they heard she tested positive). The family was told to self quarantine on Thursday when the older daughter called about her symptoms.

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[DisneyCane]

At a certain point, local governments are going to stop giving people the benefit of the doubt regarding self-quarantines and any potential case will be a mandatory quarantine until they know for sure that the person doesn't have it. Between the case you mentioned and the person in NH who attended an event in VT, this virus is doing a great job of highlighting the extreme selfish and stupid behavior people are capable of. I don't know what the laws are in either place in the event that someone were to die due to contracting the virus from one of those idiots, but they'd certainly be facing a wrongful death lawsuit even if they were able to avoid any sort of criminal charges. In what possible way is the possibility of death and lawsuits better than staying home for 14 days?

I don't know what the outcome was but I remember a man was charged with some crime because he was knowingly HIV+ and had unprotected sex with many people without informing them of his status.

Regarding quarantine laws, if this were MERS, there would be legal justification for forced quarantines as the governments (state/local mostly) enforcing the quarantine would be able to argue an unacceptable risk of them spreading a very deadly disease. In this case, I think there would be legal challenges because the risks to the majority of the population are very low even if they are infected.

 

[Nemo14]

I was dianosed with Stage 4 ovarian cancer back in November, and have been basically confined to home ever since. No, it' not fun, but it certainly isn't the worst thing in the world either, as others have described the "ordeal" of home confinement for 2 or 3 weeks. I've made considerable progress with chemo and surgery and some very wise doctors, so I'll be really PO'd if I end up dying from this virus because some yahoo thought his or her happiness was more important than my survival.

just sayin'

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well, they found it in my work building — also a major transportation hub. We’ll see what happens.

Italy is in a bit of panic.

That’s what happens when they report 128 deaths in 13 hours...

Italians: never in a hurry to do anything.

Most of northern Italy in lockdown...the “red zone”...Vatican quietly being sealed off

 

[Parker in NYC]

I was dianosed with Stage 4 ovarian cancer back in November, and have been basically confined to home ever since. No, it' not fun, but it certainly isn't the worst thing in the world either, as others have described the "ordeal" of home confinement for 2 or 3 weeks. I've made considerable progress with chemo and surgery and some very wise doctors, so I'll be really PO'd if I end up dying from this virus because some yahoo thought his or her happiness was more important than my survival.

just sayin'

Oh, @Nemo14, I'm glad you have a good team working with you so that you can kick this to the curb. Sending as much magic as I can muster. <3

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I was dianosed with Stage 4 ovarian cancer back in November, and have been basically confined to home ever since. No, it' not fun, but it certainly isn't the worst thing in the world either, as others have described the "ordeal" of home confinement for 2 or 3 weeks. I've made considerable progress with chemo and surgery and some very wise doctors, so I'll be really PO'd if I end up dying from this virus because some yahoo thought his or her happiness was more important than my survival.

just sayin'

Good luck...I hope our wiser people/better angels win the day in this crazy time

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And do you not lift that until the virus is gone? How long does that take?

I mean, I get it...you can get really draconian and just shut it all down, but what are we avoiding here? This isn't ebola.

Why don't we shut everything down for the flu that kills 500,000 people/yr?

Please stop with the stupid flu comparisons?? The difference here is it is a new strain of virus and it’s been mishandled as the story broke.

Apprehension is ok.


You wouldn’t be commenting based on “not MY Disney!”...would you?

Perish the thought

 

[Parker in NYC]

Please stop with the stupid flu comparisons?? The difference here is it is a new strain of virus and it’s been mishandled as the story broke.

Apprehension is ok.


You wouldn’t be commenting based on “not MY Disney!”...would you?

Perish the thought

But the Skyliner! I think that's what I'll say whenever someone brings up the flu.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I agree for now and those people are inherently selfish and should be ashamed! I know I would never forgive myself if someone died due to me infecting them when I had the chance not to - the question is when it gets worse and there are many more people who need to be monitored - just not sure resources are there to do that

Every doctor commenting has said over and over that testing is the key...I don’t see any reason behind that “agenda” other than science - aka truth.

There are other agendas and we have to smoke those out as a society NOW before something “scary” becomes something “terrible” through mismanagement

 

[seascape]

Italy is in a bit of panic.

That’s what happens when they report 128 deaths in 13 hours...

Italians: never in a hurry to do anything.

Most of northern Italy in lockdown...the “red zone”...Vatican quietly being sealed off

My wife was talking to friends in Italy this morning. You are right, they are extremely concerned over this and an elderly friend is staying home alone but his daughter is bringing him food and supplies daily. She is not entering the house for fear of carrying Covid19 into the home. Thank God for the phone and internet that allows those is isolation to be able to communicate and get some entertainment and news. For the elderly this is a major concern and I pray for them. However, we must not give into the fear. The vast majority need to live and work. I will make sure my wife calls and talks to her friend daily so he knows we are okay and that he knows we are with him.