Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[21stamps]

If the 2 counties are “clean” and they border each other no problem to travel between. If not then no travel.

Ah. I just read this after my last post, I think we might be saying the same thing. I thought you were talking about a federal order.

 

[DCBaker]

Here's a good thread to read about food shopping and COVID-19. I know I've seen the video that is mentioned in this thread posted over several sites.

 

[hopemax]

The local stay home order still has a couple more weeks on it (for now). Unless things get demonstrably worse during that time, why can't restrictions be lifted here? That's not an option for NY, but why can't it be for the less impacted areas?

The error in your thinking is that you are assuming all places are the same. They’re not.
This is needs to remain on a local level as much as possible. A farm town is not going to see the same outbreak as NYC.

From a Washington Post article,

"Very rural areas have a 60 percent higher death rate from flu than the big metro areas, according to analysis of CDC death records. "

In terms of raw numbers, yes, a rural location is not going to see the numbers that NYC will have. But rural areas have their own set of problems. Many hospitals in rural hospitals have closed, as for-profit companies have deemed them unnecessary. In normal times, you would just transfer patients to the city for treatment. This is where looking at the flu stats can be helpful. Identify, the potential trouble ares, which includes the rural ares due to resources available and age of the population. And for this, IMO, the population of rural areas perhaps more likely to have underestimated this outbreak because they don't live in a high density area. So they were continuing to congregate longer than it was safe to do so. Each of us, can look at our state and see that most counties have cases. So how do you handle a small town that has an outbreak of 30 senior citizens when the local hospital has 2 ICU beds, or the nearest hospital is in a large community that is 3 hours away, but is overwhelmed? The media will likely continue to be enamored with NYC, NO, and other big cities. We'll get big headlines with 500 die in 24 hours, 1000 people die in 24 hours. The deaths that comes in 5s, 10s and 20s won't make their radar, except hidden in the national totals that will grow larger than we can imagine because we aren't thinking about the drips and dribbles that are happening everywhere.

So to answer the first quoted post. You're assuming that there will be "less impacted" areas. Many, many places will be overwhelmed...on a per capita basis. It won't be anymore safe to open up a farm town if their resources are overwhelmed even if it's a minuscule amount as compared to NYC. The areas with truly less impact, are likely going to be too much of a patchwork to organize anything even at a state level, for awhile.

 

[seascape]

Do not blame Italians for the spread of Covid19 in the US. It is not the fault of any specific group but if you did, it is not them.

 

[Parker in NYC]

True. Growing up, my friend lived in Masury, OH. Her backyard literally looked down the hill at Sharon, PA. She shopped in PA. Here in Florida, I'm in Seminole and I can literally walk into Orange County in about a 1/2 hour (translating to mere minutes in a car).

People just need to use common sense in these situations.

Because common sense has been so effective.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Do not blame Italians for the spread of Covid19 in the US. It is not the fault of any specific group but if you did, it is not them.

I blame Chapek.

Look: If you don't have a little levity...this thing will drive you borderline insane...So it may be a joke in poor taste but it helps me cope.

 

[orlandogal22]

I think Florida, like many states, is so diverse and it's difficult to put the entire state on lockdown.

For example, here in Florida, Wakulla (south of Tallahassee) is rather rural and has 0 cases. There's not much going on there. No one is going to high-tail it to Crawfordville (if they even know it exists) in droves to escape NYC.

Same with Levy County. I was just in Cedar Key 2-3 weeks ago and the sleepy quaint town had many bikers there trickling over from Bike Week in Daytona, yet the county just counted its first - one and only - case the other day.

Shutting down businesses in tiny Cedar Key would be disastrous for its economy. I think a wait-and-see approach is good in this situation with more power to the specific counties on an as-needed basis to enact lockdowns.

 

[orlandogal22]

Because common sense has been so effective.

I knew someone would point that out ...

 

[21stamps]

From a Washington Post article,

"Very rural areas have a 60 percent higher death rate from flu than the big metro areas, according to analysis of CDC death records. "

In terms of raw numbers, yes, a rural location is not going to see the numbers that NYC will have. But rural areas have their own set of problems. Many hospitals in rural hospitals have closed, as for-profit companies have deemed them unnecessary. In normal times, you would just transfer patients to the city for treatment. This is where looking at the flu stats can be helpful. Identify, the potential trouble ares, which includes the rural ares due to resources available and age of the population. And for this, IMO, the population of rural areas perhaps more likely to have underestimated this outbreak because they don't live in a high density area. So they were continuing to congregate longer than it was safe to do so. Each of us, can look at our state and see that most counties have cases. So how do you handle a small town that has an outbreak of 30 senior citizens when the local hospital has 2 ICU beds, or the nearest hospital is in a large community that is 3 hours away, but is overwhelmed? The media will likely continue to be enamored with NYC, NO, and other big cities. We'll get big headlines with 500 die in 24 hours, 1000 people die in 24 hours. The deaths that comes in 5s, 10s and 20s won't make their radar, except hidden in the national totals that will grow larger than we can imagine because we aren't thinking about the drips and dribbles that are happening everywhere.

So to answer the first quoted post. You're assuming that there will be "less impacted" areas. Many, many places will be overwhelmed...on a per capita basis. It won't be anymore safe to open up a farm town if their resources are overwhelmed even if it's a minuscule amount as compared to NYC. The areas with truly less impact, are likely going to be too much of a patchwork to organize anything even at a state level, for awhile.

I experienced this first hand 2 years ago. Not the flu, but we needed an Emergency Room visit while at Red River Gorge in KY. All (as in the 1 in the area) urgent care centers were closed, closest hospital was an hour north. I drove there obviously, but was in shock that the closest hospital or urgent care was so far away.

You’re not wrong in the speed that care can be reached, the question is- will the virus overwhelm such areas to begin with?

 

[Parker in NYC]

I knew someone would point that out ...

Look, we may have common sense. But how do you account for those who think the rules do not apply? We may be watching/reading the news but do you really think everyone is? There are a lot of people who think this gets in the way of their freedom, or, they just don’t give a darn. Those are the people I’m talking about. Not the ones on a thread like this where many hold tight to the faith that everyone else will follow suit.

 

[Nubs70]

I imagine population density and travel are a couple variables to consider. And probably a multitude of others.

Yes, population density does play a factor. I have been using a meeting risk heat map to judge the relative risk factor for visiting my customers. One customer has a risk factor of about 1.5%, whereas, another has a risk factor of about 20%. The latter is located about 60 miles north of metro Detroit.

 

[orlandogal22]

Look, we may have common sense. But how do you account for those who think the rules do not apply? We may be watching/reading the news but do you really think everyone is? There are a lot of people who think this gets in the way of their freedom, or, they just don’t give a darn. Those are the people I’m talking about. Not the ones on a thread like this where many hold tight to the faith that everyone else will follow suit.

Wouldn't that be for the local authorities to handle? And police people who are not obliging?

Question - If you lock down an entire state, just how will you deem it the right time to unlock it? Will you unlock by a county-by-county basis or as a whole? What if one county sees a spike in #s and you have re-lock it down? Again, this is a legitimate question I have. There are no easy answers here.

 

[GoofGoof]

Ah. I just read this after my last post, I think we might be saying the same thing. I thought you were talking about a federal order.

No it has to be done at the state level. I think the choice is between lock down and very limited travel to keep the less impacted places that way. Most people would rather have the freedom to go out locally if it’s safe and would be willing to give up their right to travel if the alternative is a lock down.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Wouldn't that be for the local authorities to handle? And police people who are not obliging?

Question - If you lock down an entire state, just how will you deem it the right time to unlock it? Will you unlock by a county-by-county basis or as a whole? What if one county sees a spike in #s and you have re-lock it down? Again, this is a legitimate question I have. There are no easy answers here.

You just said it was common sense. Now, you’re saying the police should get involved. Funny, when I suggested enforcement earlier, it was as if I was suggesting we go the way of China.

I’m just saying that common sense in these times is as dependable as the virus itself.

 

[orlandogal22]

I have friends who are using this "lock down" to travel around to various resort hotels in the Central Florida area because they simply can't "bear sitting home." My dumb roommate also violated the stay at home order the last two days and went to see friends. It's infuriating and appalling how dumb these people are

Which resorts?

 

[orlandogal22]

You just said it was common sense. Now, you’re saying the police should get involved. Funny, when I suggested enforcement earlier, it was as if I was suggesting we go the way of China.

I’m just saying that common sense in these times is as dependable as the virus itself.

You asked me the following question -
But how do you account for those who think the rules do not apply?

I answered it.

EDIT - BTW, I don't know what you suggested earlier because I'm not on these boards all day long. I would go nuts if I was!

 

[Parker in NYC]

You asked me the following question -
But how do you account for those who think the rules do not apply?

I answered it.

Then call out the troops to keep these idiots in line. That’s where I stand. Yep. And enough with expecting common sense.

 

[trainplane3]

Here’s a map of current PA cases:

Many of the counties in the middle northern part of the state have 0 to 3 cases. If the wanted to keep these areas open without a lockdown you need to ensure that nobody from there ventures down to Pittsburgh or Philly or their surrounding counties. If you leave travel open these counties will eventually be hit. There’s no reason to lock them down if you could restrict all travel. Easier said then done which is why some states have just done the whole state.

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So I'm right here:

Allegheny and other counties around us are on "lock down". Of course today they announce my county is on lock down and everyone's surprised by it. I don't get it. It would suck but restricting travel would probably be the best move. All that's going to happen is a weird, staggered lock down in the end.

 

[21stamps]

I have friends who are using this "lock down" to travel around to various resort hotels in the Central Florida area because they simply can't "bear sitting home." My dumb roommate also violated the stay at home order the last two days and went to see friends. It's infuriating and appalling how dumb these people are

Last night I made a fire in my fire pit, kiddo and I sat out there to chat.. one of my next door neighbors ending up coming over and asking if she could sit with us, at a safe distance. I said yes, the 3 of us sat out there for an hour or so together, while she was in a chair 10 feet away. She lives alone, husband passed away last year, daughter is grown and on her own. I live with a 9 year old.. I think we were both happy to talk to another adult, and I think my kid was happy to have someone else to talk to as well.

I don’t know what your roommate did at a friend’s house, but if it was similar to that then it’s probably ok.

 

[orlandogal22]

Then call out the troops to keep these idiots in line. That’s where I stand. Yep. And enough with expecting common sense.

You want the military involved now? Martial law? Across the U.S.?

Interesting.