Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Incomudro]

Your belief that boosters are not needed for your sons literally conflict with your ongoing battle cry that we should all work harder to be more healthy as a whole, using PRE-EMPTIVE measures.

Can’t have it both ways…

Yes I can have it both ways.
They are healthy people.
Their age alone makes them a negligible risk for a serious outcome with covid.
Now they are double vaxxed, so their risk is even lower.
Couple that with Omicron which presents essentially no serious risk to them even if they weren't vaccinated.

 

[Incomudro]

Don't recall with strict country wide lock downs in 2020, Australia had one of the fewest covid deaths during that time? Let that sink in.

Wow, no one was dying when no one was allowed to get near anyone else?
Fascinating.

 

[Nubs70]

Moving the goalposts on your own argument.

Nope, you were looking at the wrong goal posts

 

[Lilofan]

Wow, no one was dying when no one was allowed to get near anyone else?
Fascinating.

" No one was dying " was your words and interpretation.

 

[Lilofan]

Some of their actions would have been illegal here. They are also an island that was able to stop all travel in. They are not center of the world like the US. They have drawn a hard line for the entire pandemic, up until recently when they realize the zero Covid goal won’t happen. Also, they are healthier in general. Their vaccination rate is decent too. Around 79% I think. Bottom line, it’s hard to compare. They did what they thought was best. People can praise them for that. Or do the opposite.

Something worked in Australia, they rank 155th in deaths per capita, US ranks 18th.

@Andrew C , looks like your opinion on " illegal " saved more of something. It is called peoples lives.

 

[Lilofan]

Sure stopped the Omicron surge

Poster referring to that time of covid, but no need to move the goalposts.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Update on the reasoning why the FDA has started the EAU process for 2-5 year olds. Once again, the answer is a matter of degrees, not the binary "yes or no" thinking that it seems many people have trouble moving beyond.

At the dose that Pfizer chose to investigate, the antibody response was lower than hoped for in this age group after two injections. However, at least in adults, the equivalent antibody concentration does confer a decent amount of protection against severe illness, just not to the degree that they would like to start out. So, the thought process goes something like "This is good enough, and it looks like the preliminary data coming in suggests the third dose will boost the antibody level to the original target, so let's get the ball rolling now." I'll need to actually confirm this all when the FDA publishes the EUA paper, but at least that sounds good enough for my 3 year old.

In other news, the makers of Novovax have finally submitted their EUA request to the FDA. This vaccine's niche might be that because it contains a mixture of proteins, it might offer better protection across multiple strains. I suspect it might find a role as a general booster. The downsides of a protein-based vaccine vs. the mRNA versions are that it will almost certainly trigger more allergic reactions, and the manufacturing process isn't nearly as easy to quickly scale-up.

 

[drizgirl]

Update on the reasoning why the FDA has started the EAU process for 2-5 year olds. Once again, the answer is a matter of degrees, not the binary "yes or no" thinking that it seems many people have trouble moving beyond.

At the dose that Pfizer chose to investigate, the antibody response was lower than hoped for in this age group after two injections. However, at least in adults, the equivalent antibody concentration does confer a decent amount of protection against severe illness, just not to the degree that they would like to start out. So, the thought process goes something like "This is good enough, and it looks like the preliminary data coming in suggests the third dose will boost the antibody level to the original target, so let's get the ball rolling now." I'll need to actually confirm this all when the FDA publishes the EUA paper, but at least that sounds good enough for my 3 year old.

In other news, the makers of Novovax have finally submitted their EUA request to the FDA. This vaccine's niche might be that because it contains a mixture of proteins, it might offer better protection across multiple strains. I suspect it might find a role as a general booster. The downsides of a protein-based vaccine vs. the mRNA versions are that it will almost certainly trigger more allergic reactions, and the manufacturing process isn't nearly as easy to quickly scale-up.

The problem is that the decision to approve or disapprove the EUA is indeed a binary decision.

 

[Andrew C]

@Andrew C , looks like your opinion on " illegal " saved more of something. It is called peoples lives.

ok....

 

[Heppenheimer]

The problem is that the decision to approve or disapprove the EUA is indeed a binary decision.

The decision for or against approval is binary, but there isn't a drug or vaccine in existence where the data answers any question so nicely. There's always a fair amount of nuance, and the public's ability to digest information beyond simple headlines shouldn't affect the approval process.

 

[MisterPenguin]

In other news, the makers of Novovax have finally submitted their EUA request to the FDA. This vaccine's niche might be that because it contains a mixture of proteins, it might offer better protection across multiple strains. I suspect it might find a role as a general booster. The downsides of a protein-based vaccine vs. the mRNA versions are that it will almost certainly trigger more allergic reactions, and the manufacturing process isn't nearly as easy to quickly scale-up.

Well, it uses the old tried-and-true methods of vaccines. Not this new and unproven mRNA which rewrites your DNA!!!!!

So, every single person who refused to be vaccinated because mRNA were too new and untested will absolutely and without a doubt now get themselves vaccinated with Novavax!!!!!

Wait, why does that truck pulling up says on its side "Goalpost Moving Company"?!?

 

[Heppenheimer]

Well, it uses the old tried-and-true methods of vaccines. Not this new and unproven mRNA which rewrites your DNA!!!!!

So, every single person who refused to be vaccinated because mRNA were too new and untested will absolutely and without a doubt now get themselves vaccinated with Novavax!!!!!

Wait, why does that truck pulling up says on its side "Goalpost Moving Company"?!?

It's going for EUA, so I think we'll hear more of the "It's Experimental!" excuse.

... But of course, both Pfizer and Moderna now have full FDA approval, so that shouldn't be an excuse either.

 

[mmascari]

For those who were looking for smaller KN95 masks, Well Before has some in stock today.

KN95 Kids Masks - Adjustable & Individually Wrapped

Looking for the best masks that fit smaller faces? Our kids' KN95 face masks are specially made to fit a child's face or an adult with a small face. These KN95 masks for kids are a breathable, comfortable face covering that can help keep you safe.

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My 12 year old likes the green size 9-12 that's finally back in stock. (I ordered prior to sharing. )

They have the white one in size 2-4 in stock too. If you need the size 5-8 between them, still out of luck, sorry.

 

[correcaminos]

For those who were looking for smaller KN95 masks, Well Before has some in stock today.

KN95 Kids Masks - Adjustable & Individually Wrapped

Looking for the best masks that fit smaller faces? Our kids' KN95 face masks are specially made to fit a child's face or an adult with a small face. These KN95 masks for kids are a breathable, comfortable face covering that can help keep you safe.

wellbefore.com

My 12 year old likes the green size 9-12 that's finally back in stock. (I ordered prior to sharing. )

They have the white one in size 2-4 in stock too. If you need the size 5-8 between them, still out of luck, sorry.

Of course now when I feel less of a need as cases plummet they're in stock. Do wish they had black or gray instead of bold colors. I'll debate ordering them though. Thanks. Hopefully these will fit well.

 

[mmascari]

Of course now when I feel less of a need as cases plummet they're in stock. Do wish they had black or gray instead of bold colors. I'll debate ordering them though. Thanks. Hopefully these will fit well.

Planes, trains, school, and county direction here still. Don't expect the planes and trains to change anytime soon, and it's not like they expire quickly. They have nice measurements in one of the pictures for each of the sizes.

My 12 who says the kids masks are too small and the adult ones way to large seems to like the 9-12 size. We got an order of 10 a few weeks ago to try out. Enough that they wanted to order more instead of looking for something else.

Good luck with size that fits better.

 

[correcaminos]

Planes, trains, school, and county direction here still. Don't expect the planes and trains to change anytime soon, and it's not like they expire quickly. They have nice measurements in one of the pictures for each of the sizes.

My 12 who says the kids masks are too small and the adult ones way to large seems to like the 9-12 size. We got an order of 10 a few weeks ago to try out. Enough that they wanted to order more instead of looking for something else.

Good luck with size that fits better.

I have a lot of surgical style still. So as I worry less I do singles of those. I don't think I'll run out as I over stocked for the fall production we did. Right now I'm using a cloth over a surgical but plan to drop that. I won't feel a need for KN95.

I'm debating on just buying 20 total in a couple colors. The green looks too bright but I wear enough red and blue that those 2 might work (denim and burgundy). I like that these have ear adjusters.

 

[dreday3]

This is good. Very good. Things are finally starting to look up (knocking wood).

Europe entering Covid pandemic 'ceasefire', says WHO

The WHO's Europe director says the continent may soon enter a "period of tranquillity" from Covid.

www.bbc.com

 

[mmascari]

I have a lot of surgical style still. So as I worry less I do singles of those. I don't think I'll run out as I over stocked for the fall production we did. Right now I'm using a cloth over a surgical but plan to drop that. I won't feel a need for KN95.

Kid reviews that these are more comfortable than that. Since it's the duck bill and stands off the face. Even if you only use it on flights to FL, probably not a wasted purchase.

I'm debating on just buying 20 total in a couple colors. The green looks too bright but I wear enough red and blue that those 2 might work (denim and burgundy).

The green is kind of a flat matte color. It's not a shinny or bright one. Definitely not glossy in appearance. That's the only one we bought, so I don't know about the others. I wish they had black too.

I like that these have ear adjusters.

I watched the kid adjust these the other day and had to ask questions. They pushed the adjuster all the way up to the mask which takes up some slack and kept it off the ear too. It was a new idea to me that I wouldn't have thought of trying. They're very particular about the ears and how stuff feels. Including using strap with hooks or band behind the head with normal paper masks, plus knots in the loops for the paper masks too.

 

[correcaminos]

Kid reviews that these are more comfortable than that. Since it's the duck bill and stands off the face. Even if you only use it on flights to FL, probably not a wasted purchase.


The green is kind of a flat matte color. It's not a shinny or bright one. Definitely not glossy in appearance. That's the only one we bought, so I don't know about the others. I wish they had black too.


I watched the kid adjust these the other day and had to ask questions. They pushed the adjuster all the way up to the mask which takes up some slack and kept it off the ear too. It was a new idea to me that I wouldn't have thought of trying. They're very particular about the ears and how stuff feels. Including using strap with hooks or band behind the head with normal paper masks, plus knots in the loops for the paper masks too.

Negative is these won't show until the 19th or 20th of Feb. I decided not to order for that reason alone.

The green is just not my cup of tea. I'm used to white or black. So bright is being relative here. I'm picky about ears for sure and adjust mine differently than most too lo,

 

[Disney Analyst]

Finally!!