Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mmascari]

In your mind there should no shut down of schools?

It would be nice if we had infinite subs to backfill teachers, bus drivers, other staff that’s out while infectious. It would also be nice if the school had an infinite budget without increasing my taxes. Neither is going to happen though.

I would prefer my kids in school.
I would prefer them virtual if that’s going to get them better instruction.
Sitting in a gym or watching movies just to be in the building is a waste. At least it’s an upgrade from filmstrips.

Of course, I can support them when remote. Not everyone can, and I’m glad there is help for those who need it. That we’re doing our part by not using that help when we don’t need it, to keep the capacity use down. So if we do need it, it’ll be there.

 

[Andrew C]

No, 16 as of right now, today, this minute, not a few weeks ago. Started 2 weeks on 1/20 so it’s almost done. Hasn’t been another announcement since then.

A few weeks ago, it was 10 based on the single metric. They shortened the virtual for them from 2 to 1 week too when they changed to the more nuance approach. Which, at the time the got angry feedback for the change in plan, for having anyone remote, and for not having everyone remote. There is no win.

There was even a protest by some students wanting all remote. Not mine, they want to be in the school. They also don’t get all the mask questions or people who wear them wrong. Teenager literally said it’s no big deal an hour ago when headed to a basketball game, they don’t understand people complaining.

Horrible. And this district isn’t even the worst. It’s obvious your expectations are much lower than mine. Maybe due to dealing with the districts crappy leadership prior to the pandemic? Just a guess. Anyways. I don’t see our expectations converging any time soon.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

In Philadelphia they closed over a hundred schools 2-3 weeks ago because of staffing shortages. Teachers out with COVID. They then open many back up as the teachers came back and now they are having bus driver shortages. Many kids can’t even get back to the schools that are open. I’m not so sure they in a few days out a week, back in for another week, back out for days is helping anything. IMO until it’s all under control maybe virtual is better for the kids. Just a opinion.

 

[mmascari]

Horrible. And this district isn’t even the worst. It’s obvious your expectations are much lower than mine. Maybe due to dealing with the districts crappy leadership prior to the pandemic? Just a guess. Anyways. I don’t see our expectations converging any time soon.

I thought they did crap and focused on the wrong things last year. Totally screwed up the original return from virtual.

However, today, in January 2022 after everyone and their family gave up, declared COVID over and had lots of new interactions over the break. Yeah, I’ll cut a little slack if they run out of teachers or have to many sick kids and need to adjust on the fly for a few weeks. I’m not a fan of the pretend COVID doesn’t exist and only 1% of kids will have long term issues and only a few will die. Chances may be low, but it could be mine and I don't want to “win” that life changing impact.

 

[Andrew C]

I’m not a fan of the pretend COVID doesn’t exist and only 1% of kids will have long term issues and only a few will die. Chances may be low, but it could be mine and I don't want to “win” that life changing impact.

This ignores the negative long term consequences of school closures and virtual learning.

Also who said to pretend Covid doesn’t exist? But maybe it makes more sense to treat it like other illnesses at this point, at least when it comes to school

 

[lazyboy97o]

Also who said to pretend Covid doesn’t exist? But maybe it makes more sense to treat it like other illnesses at this point, at least when it comes to school

Too many other illness are treated by pretending they don’t exist, by pretending they’re “just allergies” or “just a cold” and “roughing it out”.

 

[Andrew C]

Too many other illness are treated by pretending they don’t exist, by pretending they’re “just allergies” or “just a cold” and “roughing it out”.

Stay home when you feel ill and go to work or school when you feel well.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Stay home when you feel ill and go to work or school when you feel well.

Which comes with plenty of doubting and pressure to downplay illness. It is very much pretending there is no illness as much as possible.

 

[Andrew C]

Which comes with plenty of doubting and pressure to downplay illness. It is very much pretending there is no illness as much as possible.

Maybe that’s your personal experience. That’s not mine. Nor is it what I’m suggesting.

 

[mmascari]

This ignores the negative long term consequences of school closures and virtual learning.

Being in school is clearly best. This assumes being there is safe. That you’re not being exposed to an elevated level of infectious people beyond the level of mitigation possible. It also assumes you have teachers and other staff required to run the school.

Stay home when you feel ill and go to work or school when you feel well.

It appears that’s what the teachers and other staff are doing.

So, now there’s not enough staff to run the school and/or it’s not safe to be there.

If it was just staff, they could go and not learn, but that’s not helpful. It is really school without enough teachers?

Between closing and going virtual for a few weeks until they can resolve the staff issue, virtual is the better option. Not as good as the old plan, but that plan isn’t an option anymore. Virtual is way better than extended closure every time. Snow day now and then notwithstanding.

Or, you just close up shop for a few weeks. That’s really detrimental.

So which s it? Same old same isn’t an option unless you pretend COVID isn’t a thing. So, no in person, no virtual, no closed. What’s left?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Maybe that’s your personal experience. That’s not mine. Nor is it what I’m suggesting.

That sort of pressure (and even denying the ability to stay home) is the only way you avoid staffing issues. It is a major tool for actually accomplishing what you desire.

 

[Andrew C]

It appears that’s what the teachers and other staff are doing.

I don’t find it helpful to have asymptomatic kids and teachers sitting at home for a week. Or having a kid or teacher sitting at home for a week or more when they had the sniffles for one or two days. Or kids and teachers being forced to test because they may have been exposed, and miss time because of it. It all adds up.

 

[Andrew C]

That sort of pressure (and even denying the ability to stay home) is the only you avoid staffing issues. It is a major tool for actually accomplishing what you desire.

Again. Not in my experience. Not sure what else to tell you.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Again. Not in my experience. Not sure what else to tell you.

So then we’re right back to pretending the problem doesn’t actually exist.

 

[Jrb1979]

Stay home when you feel ill and go to work or school when you feel well.

I would wager that's why there is school closures. With how much this variant spreads I'm not surprised with the amount of teachers sick. Making separate rules for schools doesn't work.

 

[Andrew C]

So then we’re right back to pretending the problem doesn’t actually exist.

No. You just haven’t experienced the same things I have. We lead different lives in separate communities where people think and act differently. So our experiences as it relates to this topic are not likely to align.

 

[Andrew C]

I would wager that's why there is school closures. With how much this variant spreads I'm not surprised with the amount of teachers sick. Making separate rules for schools doesn't work.

Ehh. It works for the schools that get to choose their own rules and make it work for the betterment of their students.

 

[lazyboy97o]

No. You just haven’t experienced the same things I have. We lead different lives in separate communities where people think and act differently. So our experiences as it relates to this topic are not likely to align.

The problem of school districts (and many, many other workplaces) pressuring and even sometimes requiring employees to work while sick predates the pandemic. It’s not a unique or localized problem..

 

[Ayla]

Yawn. Co-vid is recessing now and people, children whatever get viruses.

Couple of stories. Daughter who is 16 had something wrong with her, maybe flu maybe strep throat? Off to the doctor's, negative for strep, doctor said no point testing for the flu because I can't do anything bout that. Wife and daughter the decide to go get a covid test. 5 days later result comes in negative. Daughter had already gone back to school by the time we got the result and in the end who knows what was wrong with her but it did go away. Will she have something for life after whatever she had? Maybe who knows? She's 16, she may have picked up Herpes this weekend? That's a life long thing.....

My parents are in their 80's and got so annoying that my brother and I stopped talking to them over covid. They were in a panic, we have kids, jobs etc. with the fact that we can't just hide out for 6 months or a year or whatever time period. Oh, another fact. Covid kills the old and the weak which is not us. When the parents could get a vaccine they annoyed us again till I pointed out, only old people can get a vaccine, not us. Parents didn't even figure that in. In their world everyone is old. Everyone could get a vaccine, parents ramped it up again from their 55 and up age restricted community. That's when we stopped talking to them, the panic was just over the top. Sorry you don't get your number answered when you call. End result at the 55 and up community was the death rate stayed about the same, people die all the time in those places. Final straw was when my Dad's friend who was double vaccinated and boosted die of covid in a day or two. He was 87. Well parents shut up about covid, not a peep now. They packed up and headed for Florida for a month along with a week at Disney World. Maskless state with tourist, mixing of people in close quarters etc, etc. They have years left in their life, I guess it finally hit them that hiding out away from the world wasn't the way they wanted to die? They don't have long left no matter what happens.

The virus thing has to end, damage is being done on a large scale that doesn't need to be done. Stop this virus non sense, you can't fight it.

You sound like a peach.

 

[Andrew C]

The problem of school districts (and many, many other workplaces) pressuring and even sometimes requiring employees to work while sick predates the pandemic. It’s not a unique or localized problem..

This is not something that is currently an issue in my school district. They actually have the exact opposite strategy in place. Also for the company I work for, we have the opposite culture of what you’re suggesting. Same for the company my wife works for. When I was a manager at hotels in my early days, no pressure. And we sent people home who came to work ill if they ever did try to show up like that. I guess I feel bad for others who have to put up with that type of pressure.