Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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correcaminos

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Isolate for a week? Nah. If the kid tests negative for Covid and his GI issues only last a day or two, the kid should be able to go to school.
This is true, but keep in mind this isn't their kid and honestly might be missing a step on the rules. Rules here are to keep kids out 24 hours after symptoms resolve if covid negative. If it's not, that sucks and someone needs to talk to administration. Now if the kid had a close contact as well, then I see why 5 days no matter what.
 

Lilofan

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My 8 year old nephew in Pennsylvania was sent home by the school and told to isolate for a week because he had gastrointestinal issues and they said that could be a symptom of COVID. They didn't say he needed to be tested. They did it out of an "abundance of caution."

He is special needs (autistic) and I think they just didn't want to deal with the issue he was having and used COVID as an excuse to send him home for a few days.

I don't know if the kids in your district are actually testing positive or if similar things are happening. I have a hard time believing that 25%+ of kids have tested positive within a week. That would be crazy high even in the areas with the highest spread. Montana is among the "lowest" in cases per capita currently.
Look up symptoms of covid and GI issues are one of them. Kudos to the school for sending the kid home.
 

Andrew C

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This is true, but keep in mind this isn't their kid and honestly might be missing a step on the rules. Rules here are to keep kids out 24 hours after symptoms resolve if covid negative. If it's not, that sucks and someone needs to talk to administration. Now if the kid had a close contact as well, then I see why 5 days no matter what.
If there was no close contact and the GI issues are clear, I don’t even even get why he would need to be tested to come back. That’s not the guidance from the CDC.
 

correcaminos

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If there was no close contact and the GI issues are clear, I don’t even even get why he would need to be tested to come back. That’s not the guidance from the CDC.
Because covid is running like crazy right now. Given how bad some schools are doing, better safe than sorry. If someone has any covid like symptom they should test before returning.

So I should get tested anytime I have a headache?
If no other known issues why not? Not playing this game though. Visibly sick kids need to be home and tested. Period.
 

Chip Chipperson

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They aren't proving it is the right thing to do to force your employees to save their own lives. I'd be willing to bet that in the same time period the airlines that don't have a vaccine mandate also had zero deaths and zero hospitalizations among their vaccinated employees (or very close due to others having more employees).

I'm basing this on the statistics for vaccinated people in general and the fact that the most at risk to be hospitalized or die if they are vaccinated are normally not employed at an airline.

Other employees being vaccinated is not saving the lives the vaccinated employees. If those 8-10 employees wanted to choose to risk death from COVID it isn't the place of their employer to force them not to take the risk.

I'm not sure what the total number of employees at United is right now after the COVID staffing adjustments. I've seen numbers of 74k to 88k.

Using the high number for lives saved and the low number for head count, their policy has saved the lives of 0.014% of their workforce. Meanwhile, using the high number for head count, 3.4% of the work force is currently COVID positive.

There could be a justification for the mandate if it prevented infections so that their operations weren't affected. However, 3.4% of the workforce currently can't work so the "right thing to do" isn't really helping their operation.

As I said in another post, I think they are being misleading with the "more than one" employee dying per week prior to the vaccine mandate. They are not very specific on how they are calculating which leads me to believe they are including the time period before vaccines were even available to calculate the average.

A very large percentage of their employees were vaccinated voluntarily before they mandated it. They estimated it at "no more than 70%" before they implemented the mandate. Using the 88k head count, that would mean that somewhere around 27k were not vaccinated. I find it hard to believe statistically that more than one of the 27k were dying per week given the age and health demographics of airline employees. Pilots are required to retire at 65 and you don't see too many flight attendants that keep working past that age. Certainly the employees in the physical jobs out on the ramp or in maintenance typically retire younger than that.

Either way, if they think it is "the right thing to do" to force their employees to protect themselves from dying of COVID, isn't it "the right thing to do" to not allow any employee to smoke? Shouldn't they have a mandatory BMI limit to work for United? The slope gets really slippery really quickly when you adopt the nanny mentality.

Many companies already have higher health insurance premiums for smokers. Mine does, and it also offers partial reimbursement for gym memberships but you have to get a form from HR and have it signed by a gym employee each time you go to prove you attended enough times to qualify for the reimbursement.

Also, smokers and overweight people aren't a threat to the health of co-workers and customers (unless the company allows smoking indoors for some odd reason). Unvaccinated employees are more likely to spread COVID-19 because they are more likely to catch COVID-19, so it's not solely a matter of "saving people from themselves." It never has been, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out that it is one of the benefits of the policy.
 

correcaminos

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No. It’s not better safe the sorry. You follow appropriate guidelines so that you don’t unnecessarily keep a child out of school.
And the appropriate guidelines are test your sick kid. If negative return 24 hours after symptoms resolve. If you choose to be contrary and not test, stay home. Given how my district is I know full well my kid has been exposed. I'd be a fool to not test
 

Lilofan

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Because covid is running like crazy right now. Given how bad some schools are doing, better safe than sorry. If someone has any covid like symptom they should test before returning.
I went to the neighborhood supermarket at 7am since there are few customers in the location. The plexiglass installer is making a good business with more plexi installed all around the cashier areas . To hand the coupons to them there is a little hole opening at the bottom by your leg area to hand it to the cashier. The supermarket staff upon talking to them are paranoid about omicron moving forward and the few customers that go into the supermarket maskless coughing into the air.
 

DisneyCane

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Many companies already have higher health insurance premiums for smokers. Mine does, and it also offers partial reimbursement for gym memberships but you have to get a form from HR and have it signed by a gym employee each time you go to prove you attended enough times to qualify for the reimbursement.

Also, smokers and overweight people aren't a threat to the health of co-workers and customers (unless the company allows smoking indoors for some odd reason). Unvaccinated employees are more likely to spread COVID-19 because they are more likely to catch COVID-19, so it's not solely a matter of "saving people from themselves." It never has been, but there's nothing wrong with pointing out that it is one of the benefits of the policy.
Then show me the stats on how many vaccinated employees of other airlines that don't have mandates who have died of or have been hospitalized for COVID in the same time frame. If it is also zero (or statistically close) then the unvaccinated aren't putting the vaccinated at risk.

If you want to charge more for health insurance for the unvaccinated (which I believe Delta does) then that is perfectly fine.
 

Jrb1979

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No. It’s not better safe the sorry. You follow appropriate guidelines so that you don’t unnecessarily keep a child out of school.
Here since they are only testing those in hospital and senior homes, the rules now is you stay home for 5 days if you have symptoms.
 

correcaminos

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It he wasn’t exposed, no, that’s not the guideline. If the GI issue is resolved, let the kid come back. This is crazy. And they didn’t even say he could be tested to come back anyways.
You really think kids in school are not exposed? I can show you how often I get notifications in my school and how often the are from the same classes. Not to mention the dreaded less than 3 feet notifications. For goodness sake look at the covid numbers. We're all being exposed. If this was end of the year last year, or even beginning this year I'd agree but to claim no exposure? Nah sorry. Not valid when schools are closing or struggling to stay open.
 

Andrew C

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You really think kids in school are not exposed? I can show you how often I get notifications in my school and how often the are from the same classes. Not to mention the dreaded less than 3 feet notifications. For goodness sake look at the covid numbers. We're all being exposed. If this was end of the year last year, or even beginning this year I'd agree but to claim no exposure? Nah sorry. Not valid when schools are closing or struggling to stay open.
Follow the guidelines. It’s not hard. My school has zero issues right now. So panic mode everywhere is not necessary. Follow the guidelines. They are there for a reason.
 

correcaminos

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Follow the guidelines. It’s not hard. My school has zero issues right now. So panic mode everywhere is not necessary. Follow the guidelines. They are there for a reason.
I am

If your child DOES have any of the symptoms above:​

  • Keep them home from school
  • Get your child tested for COVID-19.

 

Chip Chipperson

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Then show me the stats on how many vaccinated employees of other airlines that don't have mandates who have died of or have been hospitalized for COVID in the same time frame. If it is also zero (or statistically close) then the unvaccinated aren't putting the vaccinated at risk.

If you want to charge more for health insurance for the unvaccinated (which I believe Delta does) then that is perfectly fine.

Let me just call all of my airline C-level executive contacts and get back to you. Hold please. . .
 
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