Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Nubs70]

In what scenario would treatment be better than prevention?

After one contracted the disease seeing there is no 100% effective method of prevention.

 

[Ayla]

What is: “people who are wrong for $200, Alex?”

They work just fine. The problem with the rapid tests - all variants - is you can get a false negative if you’re not carrying enough viral load. The pcr picks that up regardless.

the “tests don’t work” is yet another political red herring. You should always get the pcr to be sure…but the rapids are still 91% effective. Better than denying science and doing what you want so someone else can make money off you…which is what is happening every nanosecond.

My information came from an ID MD who works at Mayo Clinic, who is a reliable, expert source. There is no ulterior motive to me posting the info, other than letting people know if they get a negative test using an at-home rapid test, they need to get a PCR test to verify if they are still having symptoms.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

After one contracted the disease seeing there is no 100% effective method of prevention.

The flaw there is that the vaccine greatly reduces the need for the treatments that are in short supply. Nobody is saying not to manufacture the monoclonal antibodies, they're saying that it's a stupid decision to rely on them when vaccines are free and readily available. There will always be people who cannot get the vaccines for legitimate medical reasons (allergy to an ingredient, for example). People who are just stubbornly refusing because "vaccines bad!" are taking the path that does more damage - to themselves, to the hospitals, and to the economy.

 

[lazyboy97o]

After one contracted the disease seeing there is no 100% effective method of prevention.

Is this more of you trying to claim that the vaccines make the illness worse?

 

[Andrew C]

Because people are refusing the prevention arm, which is then overwhelming our ability to actually treat sick people!!! The prevention arm is simple, cheap, and widely available. The treatment arm is extremely expensive, and much more difficult to scale up. We can't snap our fingers and just produce more nurses, doctors, pharmacists, lab workers, respiratory techs, or instantly hire all the skilled workers that would be needed to ramp up production of the new treatments. And all these people ending up with a (in most cases) preventable hospitalization are chewing up resources that are affecting everyone else's care. Why is this so hard to understand?

Would you rather that we didn't do all the work to improve public sanitation in the early 20th century, and just ramped up our production of cholera cots? Would you rather that we massed produced iron lungs rather than prevented poliomyelitis with vaccines? Would you rather than we sent half the population to high altitude TB sanitoriums (a la The Magic Mountain) instead of aggressively quarantining TB cases?

Not sure why you’re yelling at me about it. I already said a million times that I want states to mandate vaccines for all. I also said that treatment should have been operation warp speed 2.0. We planned poorly. Pretty simple.

 

[Nubs70]

Is this more of you trying to claim that the vaccines make the illness worse?

Don't know by "more". It is clear that the vaccines still allow for the contraction and transmission of the virus. So it follows that we need to focus on main streaming of treatment protocols rather than blind reliance on a vaccine with specious preventative abilities.

 

[tpoly88]

OK, that answers my question. As a treatment for pneumonia, it makes sense. My issue is with people who think antibiotics and anti-parasite medications fight off the virus or prevent viral infection in the first place. The best way to avoid needing treatment is to get vaccinated and wear a mask, but some would rather rely on unproven treatments for some reason. I could certainly understand the hopefulness for potential existing treatments early on when we had no vaccines available and were trying to find anything to curb the damage, but we've had vaccines available for over a year now and people are still acting like they're going to turn us all into mutants.

In almost don’t want to react to this as I think this whole post should be removed as it’s become very political rant. Ivermectin is a anti parasitic that has anti viral properties. My O2 was down to 89 and felt like someone sitting on my chest. I took this with the antibiotic and my O2 in 6 hrs was up to 91 and in 12 hrs up to 94. In 72 hrs I was outside trimming my hedges. I’ve had other family and friends that were in terrible shape took this and significantly better in 3-4 days. Why does this not get prescribed all over ? It’s too cheap. My whole treatment cost me $46. I’m done with this post and hope thread gets removed as this should be an informative site and not a political rant( I’m guilty the last day on this too).
anyone going to FotA?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Don't know by "more". It is clear that the vaccines still allow for the contraction and transmission of the virus. So it follows that we need to focus on main streaming of treatment protocols rather than blind reliance on a vaccine with specious preventative abilities.

All vaccines still allow for contraction and transmission. That’s how they work. The vaccines reduce the need for treatments.

 

[JoeCamel]

Don't know by "more". It is clear that the vaccines still allow for the contraction and transmission of the virus. So it follows that we need to focus on main streaming of treatment protocols rather than blind reliance on a vaccine with specious preventative abilities.

Specious ability is what keeps 90% of the hospital ICU cases to the unvaccinated.
I get that you refuse to accept plain evidence but give the rest of us a break and let us see what works and makes sense. Your route has been shown to fail miserably so go down that path if you want but don't try to take others with you.

 

[LittleBuford]

Don't know by "more". It is clear that the vaccines still allow for the contraction and transmission of the virus. So it follows that we need to focus on main streaming of treatment protocols rather than blind reliance on a vaccine with specious preventative abilities.

This is a strawman you won't let go of. Ever since Delta, we've all accepted that the importance of the vaccines lies more in their ability to prevent serious illness and death (which is indeed proven) than in their ability to prevent contracting the virus in the first place. Why do you continue deliberately confusing the issue?

The fact of the matter is that if everyone were vaccinated, the need for hospitalisation and treatment would be greatly reduced. Why wouldn't everyone, regardless of politics, want that?

 

[Nubs70]

Specious ability is what keeps 90% of the hospital ICU cases to the unvaccinated.
I get that you refuse to accept plain evidence but give the rest of us a break and let us see what works and makes sense. Your route has been shown to fail miserably so go down that path if you want but don't try to take others with you.

The vaccines have limited ability to keep you from becoming infected. So to keep strain off of hospitalization, why not focus on treatments?

Instead of vaccine only, why not vaccine and treatment?

 

[Andrew C]

Don't know by "more". It is clear that the vaccines still allow for the contraction and transmission of the virus. So it follows that we need to focus on main streaming of treatment protocols rather than blind reliance on a vaccine with specious preventative abilities.

Our savior (<<==joke) Bill Gates does think that new vaccines need to be developed that do a better job with prevention of infection/re-infection. Of course, the current vaccines are still very very useful....don't think that should be disputed. He is also banking that we can treat COVID like seasonal flu once Omicron burns through this year...we will see. I agree with treatments also being important/essential.

Bill Gates says COVID-19 vaccines are 'missing two key things'

SWING AND A MISS: Bill Gates says COVID-19 vaccines are 'missing two key things'

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[dovetail65]

Okay, we allow my daughters boyfriend to stay here.

So he gets Covid and we find out he lied, he was never vaccinated. My dad wants him out on his as my son is super high risk.
Anyhow we are all boostered up, we isolate everyone is in their own room(even my wife and I as we both can not get sick at the same time), luckily we have a five bedroom and I have a huge 2400 sq ft shop separate building with another bedroom(slight brag) that I can hide in. We all wore and wear our mask around each other.

Guess what after 10 days he is testing negative and NOT one of us, that 6 other people, is or got sick or tested positive.

So anyone says that masking and vaccinations dont work, well that is malarkey. It may not be scientific, but if it can be controlled in my house of mayhem it can be controlled out in the real world at least to an extent to where these rules and mandates are worth it.

As highly contagious as Omicron is the Dr said be ready for all of us to get it, so far it appears that just is not going to happen and it's not luck, it's being super careful.

So at this point do I toss the kid out if he doesn't now get vaccinated ? Grandpa and my wife want the kid gone for lying as it is.

Don't know by "more". It is clear that the vaccines still allow for the contraction and transmission of the virus. So it follows that we need to focus on main streaming of treatment protocols rather than blind reliance on a vaccine with specious preventative abilities.

Oh my gosh ALL VACCINE'S, the many you and all of us were given as a child, the ones that have been REQUIRED by all 50 states in some form for kids to get in school ALLOW for people getting and transmission!

Treatment is great but prevention rules! Look at polio, the treatment was an iron lung, how did that work for those people. Only the vaccine saved us from polio. Oh yeah now they have an iron lung you can walk around with, that's a nice treatment. I am betting those people wished they took the vaccine.

Think of it this way, for the people that say the vaccine still allows for the transmission anyhow, but we know as fact the people that do get sick when vaccinated hardly get sick at all, why not call the vaccine a treatment, just ahead of time. The vaccine treats us from being put on respirators or dying. Vaccines are part of the over all treatment of the population as a whole from this virus and many other diseases .

 

[DisneyCane]

The flaw there is that the vaccine greatly reduces the need for the treatments that are in short supply. Nobody is saying not to manufacture the monoclonal antibodies, they're saying that it's a stupid decision to rely on them when vaccines are free and readily available. There will always be people who cannot get the vaccines for legitimate medical reasons (allergy to an ingredient, for example). People who are just stubbornly refusing because "vaccines bad!" are taking the path that does more damage - to themselves, to the hospitals, and to the economy.

According to the CDC data, 86.6% of adults (18+) have had at least one dose and 73.4% are fully vaccinated. Assuming that there is a bit of an overcount of the former and undercount of the latter (as they said there likely is), there are probably close to 80% of adults fully vaccinated.

The stubborn people you refer to are a very low percentage of adults and are mostly in the younger demographics that are the least likely to need medical care for COVID.

 

[LittleBuford]

The vaccines have limited ability to keep you from becoming infected. So to keep strain off of hospitalization, why not focus on treatments?

The vaccines largely prevent hospitalisation and the need for treatment. You know that already, and I can't for the life of me understand why you're pretending you don't.

 

[JoeCamel]

The vaccines have limited ability to keep you from becoming infected. So to keep strain off of hospitalization, why not focus on treatments?

Instead of vaccine only, why not vaccine and treatment?

Bang for the buck. Cheaper and easier to not get it than to treat it and if you get the vaccine you are not likely to need treatment.
I am at least the 5th person to tell you that but you refuse to accept the word of a medical professional or a layman. That is being willfully ignorant

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The vaccines have limited ability to keep you from becoming infected. So to keep strain off of hospitalization, why not focus on treatments?

Instead of vaccine only, why not vaccine and treatment?

Why do you refuse to accept that the vaccines greatly reduce the need for hospitalizations in breakthrough cases? You just keep regurgitating anti-vax talking points with no basis in science. Vaccinated people aren't the ones straining hospital capacity. That's not an opinion, it's a statistical fact that has been demonstrated repeatedly in this thread.

Also, where do you think the bulk of the treatments occur? In hospitals, so how does treatment alleviate the burden on hospitals? There are now anti-viral medications available, but they are limited in their usefulness because a person needs to get tested and seek treatment early enough for the medication to work.

 

[correcaminos]

Okay, we allow my daughters boyfriend to stay here.

So he gets Covid and we find out he lied, he was never vaccinated. My dad wants him out on his *** as my son is super high risk.
Anyhow we are all boostered up, we isolate everyone is in their own room(even my wife and I as we both can not get sick at the same time), luckily we have a five bedroom and I have a huge 2400 sq ft shop separate building with another bedroom(slight brag) that I can hide in. We all wore and wear our mask around each other.

Guess what after 10 days he is testing negative and NOT one of us, that 6 other people, is or got sick or tested positive.

So anyone says that masking and vaccinations dont work, well that is malarkey. It may not be scientific, but if it can be controlled in my house of mayhem it can be controlled out in the real world at least to an extent to where these rules and mandates are worth it.

As highly contagious as Omicron is the Dr said be ready for all of us to get it, so far it appears that just is not going to happen and it's not luck, it's being super careful.

So at this point do I toss the kid out if he doesn't now get vaccinated ? Grandpa and my wife want the kid gone for lying as it is.

Oh my gosh ALL VACCINE'S, the many you and all of us were given as a child, the ones that have been REQUIRED by all 50 states in some form for kids to get in school ALLOW for people getting and transmission!

Treatment is great but prevention rules! Look at polio, the treatment was an iron lung, how did that work for those people. Only the vaccine saved us from polio. Oh yeah now they have an iron lung you can walk around with, that's a nice treatment. I am betting those people wished they took the vaccine.

Think of it this way, for the people that say the vaccine still allows for the transmission anyhow, but we know as fact the people that do get sick when vaccinated hardly get sick at all, why not call the vaccine a treatment, just ahead of time. The vaccine treats us from being put on respirators or dying. Vaccines are part of the over all treatment of the population as a whole from this virus and many other diseases .

Wow, I am so sorry. I know someone's adult kid who did similar. One tested positive, but those 3 doses in did not. Mild for partially vaccinated youngest.

Lying to me is not something I tolerate well. He'd be gone... but that's my intolerance for the lie, nothing else.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

According to the CDC data, 86.6% of adults (18+) have had at least one dose and 73.4% are fully vaccinated. Assuming that there is a bit of an overcount of the former and undercount of the latter (as they said there likely is), there are probably close to 80% of adults fully vaccinated.

The stubborn people you refer to are a very low percentage of adults and are mostly in the younger demographics that are the least likely to need medical care for COVID.

And yet the unvaccinated still make up the bulk of COVID-19 hospitalizations.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Okay, we allow my daughters boyfriend to stay here.

So he gets Covid and we find out he lied, he was never vaccinated. My dad wants him out on his *** as my son is super high risk.
Anyhow we are all boostered up, we isolate everyone is in their own room(even my wife and I as we both can not get sick at the same time), luckily we have a five bedroom and I have a huge 2400 sq ft shop separate building with another bedroom(slight brag) that I can hide in. We all wore and wear our mask around each other.

Guess what after 10 days he is testing negative and NOT one of us, that 6 other people, is or got sick or tested positive.

So anyone says that masking and vaccinations dont work, well that is malarkey. It may not be scientific, but if it can be controlled in my house of mayhem it can be controlled out in the real world at least to an extent to where these rules and mandates are worth it.

As highly contagious as Omicron is the Dr said be ready for all of us to get it, so far it appears that just is not going to happen and it's not luck, it's being super careful.

So at this point do I toss the kid out if he doesn't now get vaccinated ? Grandpa and my wife want the kid gone for lying as it is.

Oh my gosh ALL VACCINE'S, the many you and all of us were given as a child, the ones that have been REQUIRED by all 50 states in some form for kids to get in school ALLOW for people getting and transmission!

Treatment is great but prevention rules! Look at polio, the treatment was an iron lung, how did that work for those people. Only the vaccine saved us from polio. Oh yeah now they have an iron lung you can walk around with, that's a nice treatment. I am betting those people wished they took the vaccine.

Think of it this way, for the people that say the vaccine still allows for the transmission anyhow, but we know as fact the people that do get sick when vaccinated hardly get sick at all, why not call the vaccine a treatment, just ahead of time. The vaccine treats us from being put on respirators or dying. Vaccines are part of the over all treatment of the population as a whole from this virus and many other diseases .

I'd kick him to the curb. He knowingly put your family at risk by lying. That's as big a violation of trust as I can imagine.