Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Andrew C]

"With circumstances continuing to change rapidly around the globe, we are making critical and timely decisions based on guidance from French authorities. In an abundance of caution, Disneyland Paris Princess Run (May 8 - 10) will no longer take place."

Disneyland Paris

run.disneylandparis.com

Makes sense. France is not in great shape right now. Their death rate is outpacing the US, South Korea, Germany....

 

[eliza61nyc]

So you consider businesses regrowing, people getting jobs and pulling together to repair the country "economic irresponsibility"?

Why wouldn't you want to bounce back like we did from the great depression. The United States became more prosperous than any time before after that and established itself as a world power.

You'd rather us fail as a country? Okay.

Good try. I'd rather us you the God given brains we supposedly have and NOT CREATE a situation that we need to bounce back from.

You'd rather bounce back, I'd rather not have the situation in the first place.

 

[Lilofan]

Perhaps to you. Those of us with faith in America and Americans after crises..it is not.

Faith is good and mine is a strong one , also there is an understanding of reality that can be difficult and challenging to understand but necessary. Suggest you look into it.

 

[VaderTron]

Thank you. I take that as a complement.

Wow, I was joking before. But now...

BromBones=President Trump CONFIRMED!!!

 

[Incomudro]

The World Health Organization is supposed to be above the fray. They should not just trust a Communist dictatorship's sources when that country doesn't allow freedom of speech, freedom of the press and kicks out American journalists.

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And then couple that with the grievous misinformation they tweeted out on Feb 4

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And they WHO themselves admitted that they made an error in its previous reports about the virus.

WHO admits error in assessment of deadly coronavirus risk

The World Health Organization said the global risk from the deadly coronavirus was high, after incorrectly rating the global risk as “moderate” last week.

thehill.com

So the WHO is not an infallible source.

I love The Who!
Roger, Pete, Keith and John.

 

[GoofGoof]

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1.5% and 0.2% are still a lot of people.But they are still 1.5 and 0.2%. (Korean death rates are similar to the Chinese numbers. I haven't seen "recent" US numbers as they are changing much more rapidly than China or Korea.)

We we’re talking about hospitalization not death rate. The other poster said this virus has mild symptoms for people who aren’t elderly. That’s just not true as an absolute. Roughly 40% of the hospitalizations are not elderly people. In addition just because you are not in the hospital doesn’t mean the symptoms are mild. 85% of the people who get this won‘t need hospitalization (regardless of age) but not being elderly doesn’t automatically land you in the 85%.

 

[21stamps]

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1.5% and 0.2% are still a lot of people.But they are still 1.5 and 0.2%. (Korean death rates are similar to the Chinese numbers. I haven't seen "recent" US numbers as they are changing much more rapidly than China or Korea.)

I had to take my son to the doctor yesterday, for a sick visit.

His doctor told us to quarantine for 2 weeks.. mostly because of the timeline of my recent illness and now my son getting sick. (Sick as in fatigue, cold, fever, not too serious)..
The doctor was very clear that even if this is COVID-19, we shouldn’t be worried.
Younger healthy people, especially children, are seeing very mild symptoms. This is backed up from research. Anything saying otherwise is to induce panic, not backed up by what we know so far.

 

[21stamps]

Please read this. Interesting how children seem to be doing so well.
Sorry it’s crumpled.

 

[flynnibus]

You may not remember our resilience and how we bounced back after 9-11.

You may not know facts... our market continued to struggle for nearly 2 years after 9-11
"Although the recession ended in November 2001, the threats of war drove the Dow down for another year. It hit bottom on October 9, 2002, when it closed at 7,286.27.1 That was a 37.8% decline from its peak. No one knew for sure if the bull market had resumed until the Dow hit a higher low March 11, 2003, closing at 7,524.06. Unemployment continued to climb until June 2003, when it reached 6%.17 That was the peak for that recession."

How the 9/11 Attacks Affect the Economy Today

The 9/11 attacks deepened the 2001 recession, led to the War on Terror, and added trillions to the largest debt in U.S. history. The effects are still felt on the economy today.

www.thebalance.com

Impacts on downstream businesses like Disney lasted much longer.. and is a big part of why we had the drought we did in park investments until almost 2007

 

[MrPromey]

and that's fine but isn't there something in between "left unchecked and totally lock down." My concern is this, how long is an "economic" hit now?? we are already working to shore up our infrastructure. great!! we are working on various drug combinations to see if something is viable? great! ok so we've got some things contained. do we need to keep in lock down?

Cause I can tell you right now I'm getting paid, ok next month if my company says come back to work or no money?? stay at home order or not, I'm going to work

the discussion we are having on the boards right now about Disney is all from the point of the "company" but disneyworld is a whole lot of people suffering.

Also question, does the number of cases growing exponentially equate to medical meltdown. Am I wrong, my understanding was that most of the cases especially with the young are very manageable at home. so If Philly gets 1000 cases but only 8 need hospitalization would that overwhelm the system. right now they are telling folks not to even go to the hospital unless you can't breathe.

Lol...this could all be cabin fever kicking in

New York City hospitals are nearly 'maxed out,' former FDA chief says

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Tuesday that the state has about 3,000 to 4,000 ventilators, a potentially lifesaving device that helps patients breathe, but it needs a minimum of 30,000 additional ventilators.

www.cnbc.com

 

[LittleBuford]

Prince Charles of Wales tested positive for covid19. He did make public appearances recently.

Sorry to be annoyingly pedantic, but it’s “Charles, Prince of Wales”. Either way, it’s shocking news.

 

[BromBones]

Good try. I'd rather us you the God given brains we supposedly have and NOT CREATE a situation that we need to bounce back from.

You'd rather bounce back, I'd rather not have the situation in the first place.

I wasn't trying anything. That's what you said quite clearly in your post.

Situations happen. If China had been more forthright and isolated their citizens 3 weeks earlier they could have reduced the spread of the virus by 95%.

Coronavirus infections in China could have been slashed by 95%

A study claims that had China opted to implement restrictive measures such as social distancing and case isolation three weeks earlier, 95 per cent of all cases could have been avoided.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[21stamps]

I have to read all of the specifics of the bill, but I read enough to know that most of us will get a whopping $0.00.

 

[BromBones]

I love The Who!
Roger, Pete, Keith and John.

That's the only WHO that gets it right every time.

 

[MrPromey]

... In a week or so if I don't see this Armageddon that is being predicted, I am going back to work and I will be harassing my local government to get their booties in gear and back to life

But right there is the rub with this whole thing.

Everything they're trying to do is to prevent this "Armageddon".

If all the measures were to actually work, you wouldn't see a catastrophe because that's what they're trying to avoid.

Think of it like them trying to prevent an asteroid from hitting earth. You and I don't work for NASA. We aren't scientists or even amateur astronomers and while we both go buy telescopes on Amazon to try to "see for ourselves" we don't know what we're doing, where exactly to look or have the equipment or knowledge available to really know what we're even looking at.

So would you say "Unless we get hit by this asteroid, I'm assuming everything they did with building that laser and launching those rockets and all that extra equipment was just an overreaction."?

It's kind of a paradox because the only way to know for sure they were right is to have everything go to hell and that's what they're trying to prevent from happening.*

Not saying you should or shouldn't blindly trust but if Spain is any indication, NY is just the canary in the coal mine for the US.

Here in Florida, things are starting to ramp up, too... quickly.

It's sadly starting to look like you'll get at least some of the proof you're after but I'd love to be completely wrong about that.

*Assuming we believe that they believe what they're saying.

 

[Josh Hendy]

They specifically said according to Chinese sources. That's not even remotely the same thing as just reporting it as a fact that they endorsed, and anyone who thinks otherwise has a severe lack of reading comprehension.

I may have a lack of reading comprehension ... but I believe that WHO did both of the following:

(a) Added the caveat "according to Chinese sources" to their statements.

(b) Lavishly praised the Chinese authorities for their response to the crisis.

Unfortunately the effect of (b) was to convey the impression that WHO was endorsing the Chinese statements and not hedging on them.

I think that at its worst, the WHO is guilty of passing on official Chinese statements uncritically. For example I read that at one point China released numbers which showed a quadratic growth in cases which (according to some) was absurd on its face because contagious diseases grow exponentially, not quadratically. Apparently WHO declined to point this out.

 

[HongKongFooy]

I love The Who!
Roger, Pete, Keith and John.

The Who is legendary and for some reason Roger always reminded me of l Cold Miser from "A Year Without A Santa Claus"

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

I have to read all of the specifics of the bill, but I read enough to know that most of us will get a whopping $0.00.

Most of us? I think I read that some 80% of Americans will receive a check.

 

[Lilofan]

Most of us? I think I read that some 80% of Americans will receive a check.

Single taxpayers earning more than $99K annually and joint filers earning more than $198K annually won't get the stimulus check. Most of us? earning these kinds of salaries? I don't think so...

 

[21stamps]

Most of us? I think I read that some 80% of Americans will receive a check.

I’ll rephrase- Most families on a Disney website.

I don’t think too many families are taking frequent WDW trips if they’re making less than $75k per year.