JoeCamel
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You almost had a fight on your hands emoji man.She’ll put anything in her body at this point, even inferior vaccines.
-Just kidding. Moderna has proven quite durable.
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Disney Analyst
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Moderna is Dolly's vaccine. Nuff said.
But it is interesting, just saw this:
I feel like Canada has just always had more pfizer, and people are being stubborn maybe? Only wanting what they already had.
Animaniac93-98
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Ontario is giving 4th doses to some long term care residents and staff.
Polkadotdress
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4th dose for immunocompromised was approved in August, however most of us are only now getting to be at the correct timeframe when it can be administered (was 6 months following 3rd primary dose, reduced to 5 months recently). For me, that will be Jan 13. Not a moment too soon!
Starting later this week, some at-risk Americans become eligible for a 4th shot. (Published 2022)
A change in federal recommendations allows moderately or severely immunocompromised people to receive their boosters five months after their third shot, which was a part of the primary immunization.
Those "vaccine hunters " may be wasting their time. The pharmacist I know first asks for your CDC card to verify your # of shots.
LittleBuford
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I think Pfizer has a global profile, whereas Moderna is not as well known or widespread outside the US. Brand recognition carries a lot of weight, so I'm not altogether surprised by what you're describing.
BrianLo
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hopemax
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There is a bit of a kerfuffle happening on infectious disease Twitter the last few days about one of the people on this administration's COVID team who they believe is responsible for pushing this response after the Governor of Vermont named him as the reason he avoided taking a stronger course of action. A person who is a wealthy donor from a private equity management group, with no medical or public health background. One of the ID people wrote a piece on his blog which is making the rounds, thus the kerfuffle. The believe is that the CDC Director is being positioned to be the scapegoat (not that they don't all agree that she has made her own list of screwups, just recognition that she is following marching orders from above). The administration could replace her and that won't make the *strategy* better even in the communication improves.Since some of you refused to read the story I shared yesterday based on the mistaken (and frankly inexplicable) notion that The Guardian is an anti-vax tabloid, here's an interview of the person in question, Clive Dix, from Channel 4 News:
We need ‘new type of strategy’ after booster campaign says ex-head of vaccine task force
Dr Clive Dix, has called for a major rethink of the Covid strategy. He believes that after the current booster vaccination campaign, future jabs should be limited to the most vulnerable, and that Covid should increasingly be treated as an endemic virus.www.channel4.com
Some clarifications, given the penchant for kneejerk dismissals in this thread:
- I do not endorse what Dix is saying and will continue to defer to scientific consensus on all matters related to COVID.
- His views are worth knowing about because of his influential status (he is the former chief of the UK vaccine taskforce) and because they may be coopted by the many British MPs who are already demanding a change to the UK's COVID strategy.
- Any change to the UK's strategy is clearly going to have an effect on the wider world.
- Channel 4 News is a well-respected outlet, and the interviewer challenges Dix throughout (as all British TV news presenters are trained to do when conducting interviews).
Economy > public health has won. Not that detractors will recognize that is what happened. They'll blame the administration all the same. Building a testing infrastructure you don't think you need is wasteful and unnecessary, masks you don't think people will wear is wasteful and unnecessary. Boosters people won't go out and get is getting into the territory of being considered wasteful and unnecessary. The decision was made that promoting vaccination was the only not "political suicide" strategy. Which given the responses on this thread, appears to be accurate. But virus doesn't care.
So the same thing is definitely playing out here. Except your last bullet point about the media challenging the ideas. Another thing going around Twitter is the extent on which our media has played along with the downplaying the impact of both the Delta and Omicron waves until the numbers revealed how far up a creek we really were and with framing this as a "pandemic of the unvaccinated." Which ID people feel is a dangerous position given the prevalence of long-COVID, while the novelty of it means that very little of it is understood. The blog also points out unwillingness of the political left to challenge these ideas either. Given some of the dialog in the Supreme Court hearings both from the lawyers and the judges on both sides, it's clear that the of the public discourse is not as encompassing as what it should be. They should all be reading this thread
LittleBuford
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I don't think this is where Dix is coming from, at least not in the interview I shared. The MPs I referred to, however, are a different matter.
This is one of the best things about British TV news. The interview format is by default adversarial, with the interviewer playing devil's advocate in order to compel the interviewee to really explain and justify their stance.
Ayla
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LittleBuford, I want to publicly tell you how much I appreciate you always staying respectful. I don't always agree with you, but I envy your ability to always post calmly. Thank you for that and I strive to do better in my responses, thanks to you.
LittleBuford
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Goodness, I wasn't expecting that! Thanks!LittleBuford, I want to publicly tell you how much I appreciate you always staying respectful. I don't always agree with you, but I envy your ability to always post calmly. Thank you for that and I strive to do better in my responses, thanks to you.
If I am civil, I have the now-defunct Politics forum to thank for it. I could turn quite rude there but in the end realised that giving free rein to my anger was soul-destroying.
If in doubt, act as Dolly would.
LittleBuford
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As has Dolly herself.She’ll put anything in her body at this point, even inferior vaccines
-Just kidding. Moderna has proven quite durable.
Can anyone tell I quite like Dolly Parton?
correcaminos
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That doesn't help if it is "your first shot" of if you didn't bring it to get marked. My third dose has not been recorded. My spouse forgot his card when he went in so it only has 2 of 3 doses. Really easy to do.
Vegas Disney Fan
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The numbers I found say 58% of Americans have been vaccinated with Pfizer, probably just sticking with what they know. It’s also the only fully authorized vaccine in America so that may be influencing decisions, Moderna and J&J are still under emergency use order.
My girlfriend got J&J and a J&J booster (via Doctors orders) and evaded Covid despite her son being positive so even the least recommended combination still seems effective.
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hopemax
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Also maybe the action by several European countries to limit the use of Moderna due to the myocarditis incidences in young men has taken root, that if given a choice take Pfizer? That 'ol "first impressions" are hard to shake thing.
correcaminos
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Paywall.... though I found one other article saying it, but cannot find it on CDC. Weird. I'll edit my other post.4th dose for immunocompromised was approved in August, however most of us are only now getting to be at the correct timeframe when it can be administered (was 6 months following 3rd primary dose, reduced to 5 months recently). For me, that will be Jan 13. Not a moment too soon!
Starting later this week, some at-risk Americans become eligible for a 4th shot. (Published 2022)
A change in federal recommendations allows moderately or severely immunocompromised people to receive their boosters five months after their third shot, which was a part of the primary immunization.www.google.com
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When I got my first shot of Moderna at a megasite I did not need/have to bring a CDC card. The RN gave me my first card during the shot and she handwrote the date/location of my first Moderna dose.
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CaptainAmerica
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It's crazy because data actually shows that mix and match boosting offers superior protection. I got Pfizer-Pfizer-Moderna deliberately.
hopemax
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But if you heard early on that Moderna was "dangerous" would that new info about mixing and matching change your mind?
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