Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[hopemax]

Measure the risk Covid has for a 5 year old and then the improvement you see by putting them outside to eat. Yes. Exactly. It’s negligible. Don’t don’t give me some BS excuse.

Measure the increased risk to a 5 year being outside in a typical temperature for that area for 20 minutes. It's even less negligible.

You are still coming at this from the position that kids being outside in those temps is dangerous. When kids are in that kind of environment all the time. Recess, waiting for the bus, after school, weekends and maybe even for longer.

 

[Nubs70]

Well, 32°F if the freezing point for water. Is 40°F "near" that? I think it's reasonable to call 8°F "near".

/endtemperaturesymantics

Depends on relative humidity and windchill.

 

[Incomudro]

I've seen 5 year olds supervised playing with their hearts content in colder temps in the snow for long periods of time.

Playing is different than eating.
When I was in grammar school (1970's), we were sent outside to play after we ate lunch inside, almost no matter how cold it was outside.
But we didn't eat outside.
Sitting and eating outside is an entirely different thing than playing outside.
Would you people want to sit and eat your lunch outside when it's 40 some odd degrees?
Of course you wouldn't.
But you might put your coat on and go for a walk.
Two different things.

 

[correcaminos]

Playing is different than eating.
When I was in grammar school (1970's), we were sent outside to play after we ate lunch inside, almost no matter how cold it was outside.
But we didn't eat outside.
Sitting and eating outside is an entirely different thing than playing outside.
Would you people want to sit and eat your lunch outside when it's 40 some odd degrees?
Of course you wouldn't.
But you might put your coat on and go for a walk.
Two different things.

I'll bite - where I lived we HAD to do this last year. When it dropped into colder than 40s temps, they found space heaters. My child was inside for lunch as they split who was where but yes, kids were eating outside. It's called pandemic.

And yes, my child willingly goes to get ice cream with friends in 40 degree weather - eating outside. I think those from colder temps are not as "OH MY GOD" about this because it's really not a big deal for us. Those from warmer climates will be gobsmacked and understandably.

Oh and those with political agendas will react a certain way. Given my kid stands outside in colder temps eating with friends, I'm seriously not pressed. Again it was low 20s and kid only had a hoodie on today. Had to wait outside 15 minutes before being let in. But we're midwest and 40 is not at all remotely cold for us. We go for ice cream during snow storms no joke.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Playing is different than eating.
When I was in grammar school (1970's), we were sent outside to play after we ate lunch inside, almost no matter how cold it was outside.
But we didn't eat outside.
Sitting and eating outside is an entirely different thing than playing outside.
Would you people want to sit and eat your lunch outside when it's 40 some odd degrees?
Of course you wouldn't.
But you might put your coat on and go for a walk.
Two different things.

Again, there are programs where the kids eat outside, play outside, learn outside and generally do everything outside.

 

[Incomudro]

I'll bite - where I lived we HAD to do this last year. When it dropped into colder than 40s temps, they found space heaters. My child was inside for lunch as they split who was where but yes, kids were eating outside. It's called pandemic.

And yes, my child willingly goes to get ice cream with friends in 40 degree weather - eating outside. I think those from colder temps are not as "OH MY GOD" about this because it's really not a big deal for us. Those from warmer climates will be gobsmacked and understandably.

Oh and those with political agendas will react a certain way. Given my kid stands outside in colder temps eating with friends, I'm seriously not pressed. Again it was low 20s and kid only had a hoodie on today. Had to wait outside 15 minutes before being let in. But we're midwest and 40 is not at all remotely cold for us. We go for ice cream during snow storms no joke.

Again...
Playing is different than regimented eating.
As for it being a pandemic: Kids aren't at risk.
Stop doing this to them.
Stop covering their faces.
These are the key developmental years of their lives, and adults are ruining it for them.
We're vaccinated. (I've got three shots)
If the shots work, we don't need further protection from the kids.
Stop treating them like lepers.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Playing is different than eating.
When I was in grammar school (1970's), we were sent outside to play after we ate lunch inside, almost no matter how cold it was outside.
But we didn't eat outside.
Sitting and eating outside is an entirely different thing than playing outside.
Would you people want to sit and eat your lunch outside when it's 40 some odd degrees?
Of course you wouldn't.
But you might put your coat on and go for a walk.
Two different things.

Ever been to a tailgate at a midwestern university for a November football game? You'll see thousands happily eating and drinking, often in temperatures much lower than 40 degrees.

Go to the Alps. As long as the sun is out and the wind remains calm, even in the winter, most of the outdoor seating at the mountain chalet restaurants will be occupied during meal times and apres-ski. Often by families with young children. Well, maybe fewer children apres-ski...

My wife and I often go to nearby Stowe to walk with our toddler and dogs along the nice paved trail the town maintains. We usually take lunch and eat it at a little park along the trail that has several picnic tables. If it's lunch time, we're usually far from the only ones eating there. We generally only stop going when the snow accumulation gets too deep for our son to walk. But I often see snowshoers and cross-country skiers eating there even in the depth of winter, which in Vermont, is far, far colder than 40 degrees.

So, yes, many of us do eat outside in the 40s and even colder sometimes. Winter is too much fun to stay indoors all season.

 

[Lilofan]

Playing is different than eating.
When I was in grammar school (1970's), we were sent outside to play after we ate lunch inside, almost no matter how cold it was outside.
But we didn't eat outside.
Sitting and eating outside is an entirely different thing than playing outside.
Would you people want to sit and eat your lunch outside when it's 40 some odd degrees?
Of course you wouldn't.
But you might put your coat on and go for a walk.
Two different things.

We have stood outside by the designated bus stop in the early morning where temps were much lower. We managed and survived! Oh the mercy of kids outside in 40degrees.

 

[correcaminos]

Again...
Playing is different than regimented eating.
As for it being a pandemic: Kids aren't at risk.
Stop doing this to them.
Stop covering their faces.
These are the key developmental years of their lives, and adults are ruining it for them.
We're vaccinated. (I've got three shots)
If the shots work, we don't need further protection from the kids.
Stop treating them like lepers.

Ready my post before you lecture me. I addressed eating outside. You are choosing to ignore.

I'm a midwesterner - our tolerances are high. Kids are not vaccinated. They are spreading like wildfire here. Friends who are teachers have a decent percentage of their classes out because the kids are not vaccinated.

Just stop with this "OMG THE POOR KIDS" stuff too. Seriously as a parent who works in the schools as a volunteer the masks are not a big deal to them. Only the adults seem to be crying hard. Once kids can be vaccinated and spread is lessened, I will "worry less" but thanks to so many unvaccinated people and ones crying foul, it could take a while for numbers to drop.

My state is nearly as bad as end of January last year.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I grew up near the Canadian border where we’d play outside when wind chill was well into the negatives… I wouldn’t want to sit and eat in that weather though.

Is it going to harm the kids? Probably nothing beyond some kids getting colds but it’s still a very extreme measure for something that offers relatively no change to their risk.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Booster on Saturday. West Side Story on Sunday.

Buddy's gonna get his sho-ot, toni-ight!!

 

[GimpYancIent]

Ever been to a tailgate at a midwestern university for a November football game? You'll see thousands happily eating and drinking, often in temperatures much lower than 40 degrees.

Go to the Alps. As long as the sun is out and the wind remains calm, even in the winter, most of the outdoor seating at the mountain chalet restaurants will be occupied during meal times and apres-ski. Often by families with young children. Well, maybe fewer children apres-ski...

My wife and I often go to nearby Stowe to walk with our toddler and dogs along the nice paved trail the town maintains. We usually take lunch and eat it at a little park along the trail that has several picnic tables. If it's lunch time, we're usually far from the only ones eating there. We generally only stop going when the snow accumulation gets too deep for our son to walk. But I often see snowshoers and cross-country skiers eating there even in the depth of winter, which in Vermont, is far, far colder than 40 degrees.

So, yes, many of us do eat outside in the 40s and even colder sometimes. Winter is too much fun to stay indoors all season.

Are you originally from the Yukon Doc?

 

[drizgirl]

Ever been to a tailgate at a midwestern university for a November football game? You'll see thousands happily eating and drinking, often in temperatures much lower than 40 degrees.

Go to the Alps. As long as the sun is out and the wind remains calm, even in the winter, most of the outdoor seating at the mountain chalet restaurants will be occupied during meal times and apres-ski. Often by families with young children. Well, maybe fewer children apres-ski...

My wife and I often go to nearby Stowe to walk with our toddler and dogs along the nice paved trail the town maintains. We usually take lunch and eat it at a little park along the trail that has several picnic tables. If it's lunch time, we're usually far from the only ones eating there. We generally only stop going when the snow accumulation gets too deep for our son to walk. But I often see snowshoers and cross-country skiers eating there even in the depth of winter, which in Vermont, is far, far colder than 40 degrees.

So, yes, many of us do eat outside in the 40s and even colder sometimes. Winter is too much fun to stay indoors all season.

They probably don't tailgate every single day of the week. And they probably have all sorts of extra warming devices on the really cold days.

They key word there is "sometimes". There are days I might decide to do that myself. I wouldn't be a fan of having it as the daily default option though.

I have one kid who would have loved it. He moved to Wisconsin for a while and wore shorts in the snow. Another kid of mine would have fussed and whined her way through every lunch period. They're all different and everyone has a personal tolerance for that much cold.

 

[SteveAZee]

That news source doesn't exactly look like the most reliable, and there's absolutely no context given for that video as to what was actually happening, other than one person's angry tweet.

And in what world are temperatures in the 40s "near freezing"? Unless you live in the south, but that would hardly be "near freezing" to someone who lives in the Pacific NW. During the winter, my friends and I would spend hours each week outside in much colder temperatures than that when we were that age.

It was pretty nice yesterday... mid to high 40's. When my kids were in school, it was nearly impossible to convince them to wear coats unless snow was falling. I'm still looking for any local news source carrying this, and we do have stations across the political spectrum here.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Buddy's gonna get his sho-ot, toni-ight!!

I’m looking up how to get over needle phobia and a lot of sites are saying to put lidocaine on your arm 30 minutes before the shot and it will be so numb you won’t even feel it. Has anyone tried this? Why have I never heard of this strange witchcraft before?

 

[disneygeek90]

I’m looking up how to get over needle phobia and a lot of sites are saying to put lidocaine on your arm 30 minutes before the shot and it will be so numb you won’t even feel it. Has anyone tried this? Why have I never heard of this strange witchcraft before?

Forgive my naïveté, is it the idea of the shot that bothers you or the actual feeling of the shot?

 

[BuddyThomas]

Forgive my naïveté, is it the idea of the shot that bothers you or the actual feeling of the shot?

The idea of the shot and the feeling of it. I know, everyone always thinks I’m crazy because “you can’t even feel it”, but I always feel it. Maybe it’s in my mind, but I’m gonna give this lidocaine thing a try.

 

[Lilofan]

The idea of the shot and the feeling of it. I know, everyone always thinks I’m crazy because “you can’t even feel it”, but I always feel it. Maybe it’s in my mind, but I’m gonna give this lidocaine thing a try.

I've heard of 4% Lidocaine sold over the counter 30 min on the upper arm before vaccine shot . If one feels pain afterwards the good old ice pack could dull the pain area with its very cold feeling.

 

[correcaminos]

I’m looking up how to get over needle phobia and a lot of sites are saying to put lidocaine on your arm 30 minutes before the shot and it will be so numb you won’t even feel it. Has anyone tried this? Why have I never heard of this strange witchcraft before?

They actually offered this for my tattoo. It is quite possible to do but honestly I have a really good method for needles and myself being 100% needle phobic thanks to nurse ratchet as a kid beyond numbing. My son's pediatrician loved what he heard me do with him saying it was great. Biggest thing is to have a conversation while not looking. Do not let them count down at all. Just talk about whatever with whomever and look away. You don't really feel them going in outside of ones like HPV anyway. Works well for me and seems to for others I've helped through phobias. I am only phobic for me too and not others.

 

[correcaminos]

The idea of the shot and the feeling of it. I know, everyone always thinks I’m crazy because “you can’t even feel it”, but I always feel it. Maybe it’s in my mind, but I’m gonna give this lidocaine thing a try.

Just saw this one. You aren't crazy. Trust me many of us feel the same.