Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Andrew C]

FAUCI confirms 100% Omicron is less severe than Delta. It's a flip flop if he changes his stance later.


FAUCI confirms 100% Omicron more likely to infect young people who will not end up in hospital, EVER.


FAUCI confirms 100% Omicron will replace Delta as the dominant variant, in ALL cases everywhere and always.


FAUCI says vaccine ineffective. It's time to panic, stock up on end of world items.


That's just what Walensky wants you to think. FAKE NEWS! (I actually saw this one as a real genuine thought on Twitter.)


Acceptable. We're done, pandemic over. Is what some people are saying.


This one is real, PLEASE do all of these. Please.

Everything before this last quote is clearly sarcastic. At least for the next 3 pages. Then they will be real arguments put forth of what was actually said.

Why you so grumpy? He uses a lot of "might" and "could" in his language, eh? lol

 

[mmascari]

Why you so grumpy? He uses a lot of "might" and "could" in his language, eh? lol

I'm not grumpy today. Just getting ahead of it.

Everything before this last quote is clearly sarcastic. At least for the next 3 pages. Then they will be real arguments put forth of what was actually said.

When we get to page 4685 or 4690, we'll see those all quoted without the "might" and "could" and told he was just making stuff up that he had no idea about.

It is kind of telling that he didn't just start with "What we know so far" and then give the rest of it. Instead, he qualified every single statement that none of them are really known yet but just suggested outcomes based on what we know so far. It's like he knows he cannot make two statements have them the retain context later. Each one has to be complete on its own. It must be exhausting trying to speak with every statement needing to stand on it's own without the surrounding statements providing context.

 

[Nubs70]

Why you so grumpy? He uses a lot of "might" and "could" in his language, eh? lol

If he could only take 3 months to perform an RCT

 

[Andrew C]

I'm not grumpy today. Just getting ahead of it.

When we get to page 4685 or 4690, we'll see those all quoted without the "might" and "could" and told he was just making stuff up that he had no idea about.

It is kind of telling that he didn't just start with "What we know so far" and then give the rest of it. Instead, he qualified every single statement that none of them are really known yet but just suggested outcomes based on what we know so far. It's like he knows he cannot make two statements have them the retain context later. Each one has to be complete on its own. It must be exhausting trying to speak with every statement needing to stand on it's own without the surrounding statements providing context.

I think your urge to preemptively defend him is a pretty good reason why someone else should be delivering these messages. He is far too compromised in the eyes of many (obviously not just in here) and it would be more helpful for someone else to be a main spokesperson. I imagine his skills would still be beneficial behind the scenes.

for me personally, I am not that annoyed with his language use in this circumstance because I am used to it and I’m aware we don’t have a full picture of omicron. So I get it. It doesn’t hurt me and I’m not going to use it as a gotcha moment down the line.

 

[correcaminos]

Not in Florida....

Yeah rub it in. It snowed last night too. I'm over the midwest for the winter already

I'm not grumpy today. Just getting ahead of it.

When we get to page 4685 or 4690, we'll see those all quoted without the "might" and "could" and told he was just making stuff up that he had no idea about.

It is kind of telling that he didn't just start with "What we know so far" and then give the rest of it. Instead, he qualified every single statement that none of them are really known yet but just suggested outcomes based on what we know so far. It's like he knows he cannot make two statements have them the retain context later. Each one has to be complete on its own. It must be exhausting trying to speak with every statement needing to stand on it's own without the surrounding statements providing context.

It's more telling that people pick him apart so much that info is being dealt with this way. I take it as more promising news still.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Right now we're hearing that Omicron is more transmissible but not more severe. Assuming this holds up as we learn more in the coming weeks, the lesson to be learned couldn't be more clear.

COVID will continue to circulate. There's a good chance the majority of us, if not all of us, will catch it at some point.

If one is vaccinated, it will be a mild and/or manageable illness for the most part.

If anyone has been holding out on getting vaccinated, this is just the latest in what should have been a string of wake-up calls.

It continues to shock so many of us that so many people continue to fight against the obvious course of action.

And the more vaccinated the world becomes, the lesser chance of mutations, and greater likelihood of this becoming a manageable disease that pops up but doesn't overtake.


I just don't know if we have anyway to convince these people. So many are so far gone at this point with their heels dug in the sand so deep....

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

BioNTech CEO said today that the Omicron vaccine should also be 3 doses. So, make sure you get the next 4 boosters!

That’s not at all what he said.

The booster, the one millions of sensible people have already got, appears to work affectively against Omicron. No additional shot needed.

I have to say it feels good to finally be a step ahead of the virus rather than a step behind scrambling to catch up.

 

[mmascari]

I think your urge to preemptively defend him is a pretty good reason why someone else should be delivering these messages. He is far too compromised in the eyes of many (obviously not just in here) and it would be more helpful for someone else to be a main spokesperson. I imagine his skills would still be beneficial behind the scenes.

for me personally, I am not that annoyed with his language use in this circumstance because I am used to it and I’m aware we don’t have a full picture of omicron. So I get it. It doesn’t hurt me and I’m not going to use it as a gotcha moment down the line.

It's not a defense of him in this scenario. You were exactly correct that he effectively said "I don't know, but I think it's headed this way, time will tell us". It was a commentary on what we'll see in a week or two when we know more and some of those "think it's headed this way" turn out right or wrong. Doesn't matter who said it.

As I said before:

But I want answers now!

Then, I want to latch onto those answers in the future forever more as being the one and only answer.

Off to read up on tips for getting on ROTR from December 2019, I'm sure that information is still correct...

PS: I read those ROTR tips, and they were all WRONG, every single one of them from December 2019 was a lie. I was forced to write off all of those bloggers, did NOT like and subscribe.

 

[JoeCamel]

Not in Florida....

In this area, 2 hour plane ride, 10 hours driving from "the world" the hospitalizations have doubled in the last two weeks and no sign we are close to the top. Cases per 100K is the highest (by multiples) in the two states this area covers.
The ads for WDW run on a regular basis here.

Our area (Midland, MI) has an 18% positivity rate....
Whatever FL is doing? You are far better at this, than we are.

For now......

 

[Andrew C]

Our area (Midland, MI) has an 18% positivity rate....
Whatever FL is doing? You are far better at this, than we are.

They already had their wave. You’re just having it later.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

They already had their wave. You’re just having it later.

We had ours a few months ago also, we topped out around 17% test positivity in August but have been hovering in the 6-7% range now for several weeks.

For anyone wondering how well the vaccines work here’s some fun data from Las Vegas, where the world comes to party…

1.2% of vaccinated individuals have gotten sick, .06% have required hospitalization, and .02% have died.

The vaccines work!

 

[JoeCamel]

We had ours a few months ago also, we topped out around 17% test positivity in August but have been hovering in the 6-7% range now for several weeks.

For anyone wondering how well the vaccines work here’s some fun data from Las Vegas, where the world comes to party… View attachment 606077View attachment 606078View attachment 606079
1.2% of vaccinated individuals have gotten sick, .06% have required hospitalization, and .02% have died.

The vaccines work!

OK, let me cue the minimizers and say that only shows the ones that were checked. The milder infections probably (maybe, might of, could) were not tested so there are multitudes of vax'ed that were infected just replicating the virus the same as the uninfected not shown in the graphs......

 

[DisneyCane]

OK, let me cue the minimizers and say that only shows the ones that were checked. The milder infections probably (maybe, might of, could) were not tested so there are multitudes of vax'ed that were infected just replicating the virus the same as the uninfected not shown in the graphs......

How about the vaccine maximizer who will say that this shows that vaccinated people don't need to wear annoying masks at WDW or in Vegas casinos?

 

[matt9112]

That’s not at all what he said.

The booster, the one millions of sensible people have already got, appears to work affectively against Omicron. No additional shot needed.

I have to say it feels good to finally be a step ahead of the virus rather than a step behind scrambling to catch up.

So your saying on record there wont be any more boosters? Just the one?

 

[JoeCamel]

So your saying on record there wont be any more boosters? Just the one?

Not what was posted at all.

 

[correcaminos]

So your saying on record there wont be any more boosters? Just the one?

We don't know yet. If I get called in to do shot 4 I'll let you know. For now no.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Booster on Saturday. West Side Story on Sunday.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Very interesting read on the probable undercounting of COVID deaths in the US and a new way to determine a better read on it. They say it could be as much as 20% more which would put us over a million. So sad.

The US is undercounting COVID deaths, researchers say. Now they have a tool to figure out why.

COVID deaths in the United States have been undercounted, public health experts say. They're trying to figure out where and why.

amp.usatoday.com

 

[Heppenheimer]

Very interesting read on the probable undercounting of COVID deaths in the US and a new way to determine a better read on it. They say it could be as much as 20% more which would put us over a million. So sad.

The US is undercounting COVID deaths, researchers say. Now they have a tool to figure out why.

COVID deaths in the United States have been undercounted, public health experts say. They're trying to figure out where and why.

amp.usatoday.com

I don't doubt we've missed plenty of COVID deaths, but 20% seems a bit high. The simple reason is that unlike, let's say, heart attacks and strokes, which can kill the patient very quickly while they debate if they should seek care or not, even without treatment, COVID is a relatively slow death. There aren't that many people who would tolerate the sensation of constantly drowning for more than a day or two before going to an ER, no matter their financial or social situation. And ERs are required by law to evaluate everyone who shows up at their door.

I think there's probably better explanations for a large portion of the excess death we're currently seeing in underserved populations.