Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

This is nothing like the flu, the comparison to the flu is not appropriate at all. I am not a medical professional, I am an attorney, not an expert by amy means. But here are what the experts are saying. This virus spreads faster then the flux this virus has a higher mortality rate then the flu, this virus has an acute morality rate for folks in at risk categories. The prospective that we should shrug and move on for those too weak to survive is horrid, we live in a society, a civilized society where we need to support each other. 1 death , 1 grandfather dying because someone had to go to the beach that day is one person too many. If you disagree we don't have a difference of fact, we have a difference of morality.

The comparison to the flu is absolutely appropriate. The "experts" don't even know how many people are actually infected with SARS-CoV-2 and therefore don't know what the mortality rate is. It spreads faster than the flu mostly because people sick with the flu are usually ill enough that they stay home in bed. With this virus, very mild cases or asymptomatic cases lead to people going about their business because they think they have an annoying cold or nothing at all.

The same people susceptible to this are also susceptible to the flu. Some portion of those killed by this would have been killed by the flu in a similar this year..

We do have a difference in morality. Adversely effecting the lives of over 99% of the population so that 1 grandfather lives a little longer is not a justified trade-off. Every day that this nonsense goes on, people are losing their jobs (may of which will take a while to come back) and losing their ability to enjoy life. Every day 7.7 BILLION people are being deprived of a day of quality life.

Here's the bottom line. If these same lockdowns were to happen for flu season every year we would save over 250,000 lives a year. Would you argue that we should start doing that? There is no cure for the flu and the vaccine does not prevent all strains.

Also, regarding the experts, if you go back and track Dr. Fauci's statements he has made several contradictions over the past few weeks.

Just to head off the argument of this virus killing 1% or whatever of the world population, I do not accept that premise because the mortality rate is not known. The "experts" are making decisions based on worst-case scenarios, not real data. I still believe that if this virus wasn't discovered made known, the world would have just thought it was a particularly bad flu season. Even in the worst case country, Italy, the number of deaths is a very tiny percentage of their population.

You can disagree with my morality but this is how I feel.

 

[kong1802]

Me thinks you're just pulling numbers out of a dark hole.

Id also never want to back up my point with what the majority of twitter thought....even if I had 99% of them with me....

 

[Prince-1]

Id also never want to back up my point with what the majority of twitter thought....even if I had 99% of them with me....

He must have counted them all. I hope he practiced social distancing while doing so!!

 

[Josh Hendy]

New York needs 30K ventilators. FEMA sent NY 400 ventilators. NY needs help fast.

I agree, kudos to Ford but a lot more ventilators are needed. If this is a one-time opportunity using a backlogged stock of seat fans, ok.

In the big picture, I hope that SOME of the trillions proposed for bailing out corporate stocks and bonds (and the post office LOL) is actually earmarked for building proper ventilators and other equipment from the ground up.

 

[Disney Analyst]

We've been fully capable of working remotely for years, and it's what we're all doing for the moment.

It's definitely something every company should have for situations like this, but I have to say, I find it miserable. I prefer to go into the office for 6 or so hours and get most of my work done, then work for a couple of hours at home to finish everything up for the day. Having my work and my home be the same place is demoralizing; I don't understand how so many people love it. My home no longer feels like a refuge from work.

I get it. I miss the office also. I wouldn’t want to do this forever, but I guess I misspoke with what I want. Which is workforce’s to be better prepared for this. Specifically mine.

 

[Andrew C]

Id love to see that stat...

Don't get why you are so hell bent on defending WHO here. They should understand how this platform works and how people will take this message and how it spreads like wildfire. What they did was irresponsible...plain and simple. This was only one of their missteps during this crisis.

 

[Rich Brownn]

Even if there are 10 times the confirmed cases in Florida, these are not "huge numbers." Florida has a population over 21 million. Even if there are 24,000 cases, that's still only 0.11% of the population. The deaths are infinitesimal in relation to the population.

This focus on "big numbers" is what has caused the panic and extreme reactions. We are having a bad flu season in the USA and 23,000 have died so far and there have been almost 400,000 hospitalizations for the flu and nobody bats an eye.

All of a sudden there are 50,000 confirmed CASES of COVID-19 and the world must stop and save every life possible. Even if there are really 500,000 cases including the mild or asymptomatic, 75% of that number has been hospitalized by the flu.

This is an overreaction driven by the worldwide media supported by health officials going on a power trip.

If this $2 trillion stimulus gets passed and you assume that 70% of the US population would have been infected without these extreme measures and the real mortality rate (taking into account the mild and asymptomatic cases that haven't been being confirmed) is 2.5 times the flu, it works out to approximately $3.5 million per life saved, a majority of which are elderly with limited remaining life span as it is. That's not taking into account the cost of the economic damage. How's that for a big number?

An honest question for people in the UK. Would your health system spend that much to save an 80 year old with another disease like cancer?

If you infect someone with the flu, in 10 days 14 more people will have it statically. If you infect someone with Corona, in 10 days, it would 59,000 people. THATS why they are trying to keep it down - it is more infectious. Also people focus too much on the death numbers and not the number hospitalized which is just as important. Many of those people will end up with permanent lung damage.

So no, its nothing like the flu. And comparing it to the flu has been shot down many many times by experts. (You're also comparing numbers accumulated from September 2019. This is just a few weeks)

 

[thomas998]

This is nothing like the flu, the comparison to the flu is not appropriate at all. I am not a medical professional, I am an attorney, not an expert by amy means. But here are what the experts are saying. This virus spreads faster then the flux this virus has a higher mortality rate then the flu, this virus has an acute morality rate for folks in at risk categories. The prospective that we should shrug and move on for those too weak to survive is horrid, we live in a society, a civilized society where we need to support each other. 1 death , 1 grandfather dying because someone had to go to the beach that day is one person too many. If you disagree we don't have a difference of fact, we have a difference of morality.

I'm suffering from it right now, I've also had the flu before... and if I were to try and describe it I would say it is like the flu though in my case my fever never went as high as it did with the flu. But both this virus and the flu impact a person's respiratory system. So it is comparable to the flu. Now it may have a higher mortality rate, but that doesn't change how it impacts a person. You are assuming that every flu virus has a lower mortality rate, they don't. The spanish flu had a very high mortality rate and the Hong Kong flu in the late 60's was also higher than usual. So you can't just assume that mortality rate will dictate whether it is like the flu or not.

Now lets go to how fast it spreads.. Does it really spread faster than the flu? Probably not. The spread of the flu each year is tempered by the fact that we have a vaccine that a large percentage of the people take. But when no vaccine is available you will have a flu cause a pandemic like the Hong Kong flu did. Those are just facts. One could argue that this is not even as bad as the flu because it doesn't seem to be nearly as deadly to little kids as the normal flu virus. It is all a matter of perspective but in general the flu is a good comparison or would you think we should compare it to chicken pox or small pox.

 

[GoofGoof]

Well I can see why employees would go ahead and go to work, they need the money...but at some point you would think that customers would rethink whether they really need to risk getting sick to buy some plastic flowers and scrapbook supplies.

Yep. With over half the population either elderly, suffering from chronic medical conditions making them high risk or the direct family or caretaker of someone in those categories it’s not going to be business as usual overnight. Many people will avoid public settings as much as possible for as long as this virus is prevalent.

 

[Prince-1]

If you infect someone with the flu, in 10 days 14 more people will have it statically. If you infect someone with Corona, in 10 days, it would 59,000 people. THATS why they are trying to keep it down - it is more infectious. Also people focus too much on the death numbers and not the number hospitalized which is just as important. Many of those people will end up with permanent lung damage.

So no, its nothing like the flu.

I wonder how many times that all of Disney and Universal and all theme parks in general have closed down because of the flu? Oh yeah don't forget every major sport, the cruise line industry, every major movie and TV studio, movie theaters, Broadway, all major restaurants, malls, etc, etc, etc.

Yep, the coronavirus is EXACTLY like the flu.

 

[Josh Hendy]

Adversely effecting the lives of over 99% of the population so that 1 grandfather lives a little longer is not a justified trade-off. Every day that this nonsense goes on, people are losing their jobs
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You can disagree with my morality but this is how I feel.

It is not a choice between grandfathers and young, productive people. Many young people are severely affected by the disease. The deaths may be mostly older people but the victims are all ages. A non-fatal case of this virus may cause permanent lung and neurological damage ... to young people. The virus may recur with no natural immunity developed and no vaccine may be available for years.

 

[21stamps]

Very true. However, I suspect that once the experts' recommendations stop comporting with what Trump wants, he will stop listening to them. I am not trying to be political here, just assessing the facts of the situation as I see them right now.

The governors of many of our states, including mine, have already decided to go farther than what the federal government has done. It is my hope that Trump's instinct to move super-quickly to undo or restrictions gets blunted by the governors. Most states have already ordered that these restrictions last at least a week longer, if not several weeks longer, than the federal recommendations. I hope they aren't pushed into backing off because of Trump.

The states are doing this because it should be at the state level, not the national. Which I hope we all agree is the correct way to handle it.
The POTUS has talked about in the National updates. They do not want to issue federal mandates. The national guard is assisting states, however, they are there under the direction of the states themselves, there is communication between the state and the DoD... but they are not there on federal orders.

 

[Jwink]

i really doubt WDW will be open this year

Why? Shanghai is opening as is Japan. Don’t be silly

 

[thomas998]

If you infect someone with the flu, in 10 days 14 more people will have it statically. If you infect someone with Corona, in 10 days, it would 59,000 people. THATS why they are trying to keep it down - it is more infectious. Also people focus too much on the death numbers and not the number hospitalized which is just as important. Many of those people will end up with permanent lung damage.

So no, its nothing like the flu.

It is pretty much the in the realm of a bad flu strain. R0 for flu viruses varies from strain to strain but are generally between 1.2 and 3... The current estimate on the Wuhan strain is thought to be between 2 an 3... so it is at the high end compared to most flu strains but not off the chart or in the territory of the measles which has an R0 of 12 to 18.

The reason this is spreading so rapidly is that no one has been vaccinated for it. If we didn't vaccinate anyone for the flu we would have lots more people getting it each year and it would be an annual pandemic like this virus.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I saw a report that it’s become a big problem too in parts of Africa where that drug is much more common to fight malaria. The price has also gone up 400%.

There's a special place in hell for people who do that.

We need a real clinical study. With those numbers I don’t know how they could even call it a study.
Our keg parties 40 years ago were bigger.

All drug studies start out very small and get bigger in phases.

Being that it is a tweet from the official WHO twitter account, I would say that they "said it."

And that is exactly how misinformation spreads like wildfire. They didn't say it. End of story.

The comparison to the flu is absolutely appropriate. The "experts" don't even know how many people are actually infected with SARS-CoV-2 and therefore don't know what the mortality rate is. It spreads faster than the flu mostly because people sick with the flu are usually ill enough that they stay home in bed. With this virus, very mild cases or asymptomatic cases lead to people going about their business because they think they have an annoying cold or nothing at all.

The same people susceptible to this are also susceptible to the flu. Some portion of those killed by this would have been killed by the flu in a similar this year..

We do have a difference in morality. Adversely effecting the lives of over 99% of the population so that 1 grandfather lives a little longer is not a justified trade-off. Every day that this nonsense goes on, people are losing their jobs (may of which will take a while to come back) and losing their ability to enjoy life. Every day 7.7 BILLION people are being deprived of a day of quality life.

Here's the bottom line. If these same lockdowns were to happen for flu season every year we would save over 250,000 lives a year. Would you argue that we should start doing that? There is no cure for the flu and the vaccine does not prevent all strains.

Also, regarding the experts, if you go back and track Dr. Fauci's statements he has made several contradictions over the past few weeks.

Just to head off the argument of this virus killing 1% or whatever of the world population, I do not accept that premise because the mortality rate is not known. The "experts" are making decisions based on worst-case scenarios, not real data. I still believe that if this virus wasn't discovered made known, the world would have just thought it was a particularly bad flu season. Even in the worst case country, Italy, the number of deaths is a very tiny percentage of their population.

You can disagree with my morality but this is how I feel.

We get it. You're convinced this is nothing worse than the flu and only affects the elderly. Tell that to the previously healthy 12-year-old girl whose symptoms are severe enough that she's been hospitalized. (Update...she's since passed away. )

Coronavirus: 12-year-old fighting for life as Fauci admits younger people being harder hit in US

Emma, 12, had no pre-exisiting conditions before she was infected with the coronavirus. Now she’s “fighting for her life” in an Atlanta hospital, according to her family.Though Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta-Scottish Rite Hospital - where Emma’s family says she’s being treated - confirmed to...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Jwink]

I said this before when someone brought up New Years Eve. If WDW doesn’t open again this year we have much, much bigger problems than WDW not being open.

It’s such a silly thought. Of course wdw will open again. Probably may. China is beginning to operate as normal. I just taught 2 children this morning one went to the Beijing zoo and the other was in a restaurant.

 

[Queen of the WDW Scene]

It’s such a silly thought. Of course wdw will open again. Probably may. China is beginning to operate as normal. I just taught 2 children this morning one went to the Beijing zoo and the other was in a restaurant.

We are waaaaaaay behind China though.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Hobby Lobby, Michaels, and JoAnn Fabric (any other comparable national chains?) are all responding the same way. Keeping stores open where it is legal to do so, and closing stores where local authorities say to close.

Hobby Lobby is a privately owned company, and they sent a letter that was an inspirational / thank you letter to the employees. The owner mentioned his wife prayers, but the letter could be read to apply to stores that were closing or staying open.


While I wouldn’t argue that these stores are essential, they do provide things for people to do when they are quarantined. Dropping by for an art kit, or to buy some fabric, etc. is pretty understandable.

 

[Jwink]

We are waaaaaaay behind China though.

I disagree. Especially if they didn’t come out and say when this all really started. I stand by what I said. WDW will reopen in some weeks. I don’t understand why all the sudden people are saying summer, New Years. That’s ludicrous. If Disney doesn’t open neither will most businesses and if that happens someday better be sending me a mortgage and car check every month because I refuse to lose my house over something that was out of my control.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

This post, which is making the rounds on Facebook etc. is just plain misleading imho.

Hobby Lobby, Michaels, and JoAnn Fabric (any other comparable national chains?) are all responding the same way. Keeping stores open where it is legal to do so, and closing stores where local authorities say to close.

Hobby Lobby is a privately owned company, and they sent a letter that was an inspirational / thank you letter to the employees. The owner mentioned his wife prayers, but the letter could be read to apply to stores that were closing or staying open.


While I wouldn’t argue that these stores are essential, they do provide things for people to do when they are quarantined. Dropping by for an art kit, or to buy some fabric, etc. is pretty understandable.

Fabric especially right now - there are groups of moms popping up in multiple states who are sewing masks to donate to hospitals.