Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Andrew C]

EUA for ages 5-11 coming shortly (as in “this afternoon”)

Wow really? Cool.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Vaccination protects against coronavirus infection more strongly than previous infection, CDC study finds​

From CNN's Maggie Fox

Vaccination protects people against coronavirus infection much better than previous infection, a team of researchers led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Friday.
The team said their findings should help settle debates over whether people who have been infected should bother getting vaccinated. They should, the researchers said.
People who had not been vaccinated and who ended up in the hospital were five times more likely to have Covid-19 than people who had been vaccinated within the past three to six months, they found.

“All eligible persons should be vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as possible, including unvaccinated persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2,” the researchers wrote in the CDC’s weekly report, the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly report.

“We now have additional evidence that reaffirms the importance of COVID-19 vaccines, even if you have had prior infection,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a statement.
“This study adds more to the body of knowledge demonstrating the protection of vaccines against severe disease from COVID-19. The best way to stop COVID-19, including the emergence of variants, is with widespread COVID-19 vaccination and with disease prevention actions such as mask wearing, washing hands often, physical distancing, and staying home when sick.”
About the study: Researchers across the country collected data on 7,000 people treated at 187 hospitals in nine states for Covid-like illnesses between January and September. All were tested for coronavirus. Those who were not vaccinated were 5.49 times as likely to test positive for coronavirus as those who had been vaccinated within the past three to six months – even if they had a recent Covid-19 infection.
The CDC noted that a recent Israeli study found just the opposite—but also noted that the Israeli study looked at people who had been vaccinated six month before or longer. “Understanding infection-induced and vaccine-induced immunity over time is important, particularly for future studies to consider,” they wrote.
“In this study, the benefit of vaccination compared with infection without vaccination appeared to be higher for recipients of Moderna than Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which is consistent with a recent study that found higher vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 hospitalizations for Moderna vaccine recipients than for Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine recipients,” they added.

 

[Andrew C]

Vaccination protects against coronavirus infection more strongly than previous infection, CDC study finds​

From CNN's Maggie Fox

Vaccination protects people against coronavirus infection much better than previous infection, a team of researchers led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Friday.
The team said their findings should help settle debates over whether people who have been infected should bother getting vaccinated. They should, the researchers said.
People who had not been vaccinated and who ended up in the hospital were five times more likely to have Covid-19 than people who had been vaccinated within the past three to six months, they found.

“We now have additional evidence that reaffirms the importance of COVID-19 vaccines, even if you have had prior infection,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a statement.
“This study adds more to the body of knowledge demonstrating the protection of vaccines against severe disease from COVID-19. The best way to stop COVID-19, including the emergence of variants, is with widespread COVID-19 vaccination and with disease prevention actions such as mask wearing, washing hands often, physical distancing, and staying home when sick.”
About the study: Researchers across the country collected data on 7,000 people treated at 187 hospitals in nine states for Covid-like illnesses between January and September. All were tested for coronavirus. Those who were not vaccinated were 5.49 times as likely to test positive for coronavirus as those who had been vaccinated within the past three to six months – even if they had a recent Covid-19 infection.
The CDC noted that a recent Israeli study found just the opposite—but also noted that the Israeli study looked at people who had been vaccinated six month before or longer. “Understanding infection-induced and vaccine-induced immunity over time is important, particularly for future studies to consider,” they wrote.
“In this study, the benefit of vaccination compared with infection without vaccination appeared to be higher for recipients of Moderna than Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which is consistent with a recent study that found higher vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 hospitalizations for Moderna vaccine recipients than for Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine recipients,” they added.

Unless you got the J&J shot.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Unless you got the J&J shot.

When they went to draw up the vial, I said, “No, I’ll wait for Pfizer.”

 

[Andrew C]

When they went to draw up the vial, I said, “No, I’ll wait for Pfizer.”
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I like the ‘VID part.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Vaccination protects against coronavirus infection more strongly than previous infection, CDC study finds​

From CNN's Maggie Fox

Vaccination protects people against coronavirus infection much better than previous infection, a team of researchers led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Friday.
The team said their findings should help settle debates over whether people who have been infected should bother getting vaccinated. They should, the researchers said.
People who had not been vaccinated and who ended up in the hospital were five times more likely to have Covid-19 than people who had been vaccinated within the past three to six months, they found.

“We now have additional evidence that reaffirms the importance of COVID-19 vaccines, even if you have had prior infection,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a statement.
“This study adds more to the body of knowledge demonstrating the protection of vaccines against severe disease from COVID-19. The best way to stop COVID-19, including the emergence of variants, is with widespread COVID-19 vaccination and with disease prevention actions such as mask wearing, washing hands often, physical distancing, and staying home when sick.”
About the study: Researchers across the country collected data on 7,000 people treated at 187 hospitals in nine states for Covid-like illnesses between January and September. All were tested for coronavirus. Those who were not vaccinated were 5.49 times as likely to test positive for coronavirus as those who had been vaccinated within the past three to six months – even if they had a recent Covid-19 infection.
The CDC noted that a recent Israeli study found just the opposite—but also noted that the Israeli study looked at people who had been vaccinated six month before or longer. “Understanding infection-induced and vaccine-induced immunity over time is important, particularly for future studies to consider,” they wrote.
“In this study, the benefit of vaccination compared with infection without vaccination appeared to be higher for recipients of Moderna than Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which is consistent with a recent study that found higher vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 hospitalizations for Moderna vaccine recipients than for Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine recipients,” they added.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this studying predominantly Alpha infections? We know that vaccination is really good against Alpha. Would be interested to see the difference when Delta was dominant. Also, they did note the limitation was that it included only people vaccinated for 3-6 months.

"The CDC noted that a Israeli study posted online in August found just the opposite -- but also noted that the Israeli study looked at people who had been vaccinated six month before or longer."

So perhaps that is the breaking point.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this studying predominantly Alpha infections? We know that vaccination is really good against Alpha. Would be interested to see the difference when Delta was dominant. Also, they did note the limitation was that it included only people vaccinated for 3-6 months.

"The CDC noted that a Israeli study posted online in August found just the opposite -- but also noted that the Israeli study looked at people who had been vaccinated six month before or longer."

So perhaps that is the breaking point.

If we want to look at delta…

 

[Disney Glimpses]

If we want to look at delta…

This is truly unhelpful as there is no differentiation between previously infected and not previously infected; in either group.

I am curious why the study stopped at 6 months. If we're serious about saying natural immunity isn't sufficient, we should be changing the series of both mRNA vaccines to 3 doses.

Personally, I find it quite difficult to believe that ~10% of randomly selected hospital patients with a previous COVID-19 infection tested positive again for COVID-19. But, I guess we have to take it for what it is.

 

[ABQ]

If we want to look at delta…

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You would need a graph containing reinfection data. Ooops, @disneyglimpses beat me to it.

 

[ToTBellHop]

This is truly unhelpful as there is no differentiation between previously infected and not previously infected; in either group.

I am curious why the study stopped at 6 months. If we're serious about saying natural immunity isn't sufficient, we should be changing the series of both mRNA vaccines to 3 doses.

Personally, I find it quite difficult to believe that ~10% of randomly selected hospital patients with a previous COVID-19 infection tested positive again for COVID-19. But, I guess we have to take it for what it is.

You would need a graph containing reinfection data. Ooops, @disneyglimpses beat me to it.

Of course. Which we leave to the CDC statisticians to release in a study next year. Raw numbers are raw but the trends are clear enough for advising vaccination now.

I look forward to the 2000 page analysis that comes out 5 years after the pandemic on “the full truth.”

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Of course. Which we leave to the CDC statisticians to release in a study next year. Raw numbers are raw but the trends are clear enough for advising vaccination now.

I look forward to the 2000 page analysis that comes out 5 years after the pandemic on “the full truth.”

Personally, this feels like a study with an intended outcome. But of course we're not allowed to suggest that. There is so much data out there that suggests the exact opposite of this stark outlier. It makes no sense. I'll see myself out because I know where this is going to head.

 

[Andrew C]

I'll see myself out because I know where this is going to head.

China?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Personally, this feels like a study with an intended outcome. But of course we're not allowed to suggest that. There is so much data out there that suggests the exact opposite of this stark outlier. It makes no sense. I'll see myself out because I know where this is going to head.

To be fair, most Americans don’t understand nuance. “Vaccines ineffective after 6 months” leads to “they never worked! Told ya!“

 

[Disney Glimpses]

China?

No lol but it's just when you have other nations accepting proof of prior infection as sufficient evidence of immunity along with studies of millions of people showing robust protection in the naturally immune. And then you have the nation that is obsessed with their vaccines and mandating it in every corner possible that magically produces a study that says everyone else is wrong. All 32 studies are wrong, we're right though. I have trouble with it.

The truth is if you have a data set of hundreds of thousands if not millions of hospitalizations over 9 months and you can set the criteria for who is "eligible" and who is not, you can pretty much frame any outcome you want. It's why we never see the raw data, only their analysis.

Even in this exact data set they have provided, we don't see the age breakdown. For all we know 95% of the reinfections occurred in previously infected over 65; which is suggested by some studies that natural immunity wanes very quickly in older people.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

To be fair, most Americans don’t understand nuance. “Vaccines ineffective after 6 months” leads to “they never worked! Told ya!“

Well when you mandate something like a novel vaccine for a novel virus, it shouldn't be because you won't understand nuance.

 

[Andrew C]

No lol

Lol. I was just joking. I get your point though for sure.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Well when you mandate something like a novel vaccine for a novel virus, it shouldn't be because you won't understand nuance.

People need to get their damn shots. Period.

I don’t know how this is still a discussion.

 

[Andrew C]

I am thinking that by Aprilish, if you haven’t had your latest shot within the last year, some places are going to want to say your vaccination status is null and void.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

People need to get their damn shots. Period.

I don’t know how this is still a discussion.

People need to do what they want to do. Period.

 

[Lilofan]

People need to do what they want to do. Period.

Tell that to the ones whose elective surgeries are postponed because the unvax are filling up our hospitals. I've seen it firsthand when a loved one needed care. The nurses and doctors some in my own family would strongly disagree with you. They are beyond overwhelmed in their workplace.