Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyCane

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ToTBellHop said:
CDC still has to meet next week. But I believe you can technically set appointments once the FDA gives the all clear. Once they do, I’m going to log into VAMS and see if it will let me book my kids for late next week. I’ll want a Friday after school, just in case. I can’t wait until I can finally stop worrying. I told the kids I will book a Universal trip right after dose 2 since they can enjoy a maskless trip at that point.
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The CDC does not authorize approved uses of drugs, the FDA does. Whatever the FDA says goes as far as being allowed to administer.
 
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DisneyCane

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For those who continue to say that if boosters are necessary and end up as part of the mandates, so be it and it isn't a big deal to deal with the "mild" side effects every few months, talk to my mom. She got her Pfizer booster yesterday and had side effects just as bad as after her 2nd dose including chills, fever and an AFIB event which is still ongoing after 12 hours.

She is the complete opposite of me with respect to COVID. She is scared to death of it. Wouldn't leave the house except for extremely important doctor visits before she was vaccinated and still double masks (including a KN95) when she goes to Walmart or Publix.

This morning she said she is never getting a shot of this vaccine again. The side effects aren't "no big deal" to everybody.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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CaptainAmerica said:
Vaccine Administration Management System

It's basically the online portal that some states are using for people to sign up for vaccinations.
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I had no major issues but it is certainly a clunky system. Honestly, I got my first shot through VAMS, found nothing nearby for dose 2 and just went to CVS. My state (CT) tracks it, however. Just checked--both shots show up. So does the flu shot I got yesterday. I guess they track everything now.
 
Heppenheimer

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DisneyCane said:
For those who continue to say that if boosters are necessary and end up as part of the mandates, so be it and it isn't a big deal to deal with the "mild" side effects every few months, talk to my mom. She got her Pfizer booster yesterday and had side effects just as bad as after her 2nd dose including chills, fever and an AFIB event which is still ongoing after 12 hours.

She is the complete opposite of me with respect to COVID. She is scared to death of it. Wouldn't leave the house except for extremely important doctor visits before she was vaccinated and still double masks (including a KN95) when she goes to Walmart or Publix.

This morning she said she is never getting a shot of this vaccine again. The side effects aren't "no big deal" to everybody.
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All the more reason for those who haven't received any vaccines yet to roll up their sleeves and get it done. The less circulating virus, the safer your mother will be. Getting kids vaccinated will be huge step.
 
correcaminos

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Heppenheimer said:
All the more reason for those who haven't received any vaccines yet to roll up their sleeves and get it done. The less circulating virus, the safer your mother will be. Getting kids vaccinated will be huge step.
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Yup!

I will say I said to a friend recently that at this point I don't care if people are at the end with 2. They did good with that. Hoping the spacing out really does the trick for most who get 3 though. Since I barely react it's no big for me. For others it is.

My husband's doctor offered him the booster even though he's not obese. Well he's technically but a power lifter and the doc said why not? Lol. He goes tomorrow. They won't mix vaccines there though. Given he's like me, I expect an uneventful 3rd dose.
 
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DisneyCane said:
For those who continue to say that if boosters are necessary and end up as part of the mandates, so be it and it isn't a big deal to deal with the "mild" side effects every few months, talk to my mom. She got her Pfizer booster yesterday and had side effects just as bad as after her 2nd dose including chills, fever and an AFIB event which is still ongoing after 12 hours.

She is the complete opposite of me with respect to COVID. She is scared to death of it. Wouldn't leave the house except for extremely important doctor visits before she was vaccinated and still double masks (including a KN95) when she goes to Walmart or Publix.

This morning she said she is never getting a shot of this vaccine again. The side effects aren't "no big deal" to everybody.
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It also appears that OSHA is absolving employers of the accountability of adverse reactions or worse.

If your employer mandates Vax as condition of employment and you have an adverse reaction or worse, they do not need to report as a recordable, lost time, or a workman's comp claim in event of a substantial incident.
 
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Nubs70

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helenabear said:
Yup!

I will say I said to a friend recently that at this point I don't care if people are at the end with 2. They did good with that. Hoping the spacing out really does the trick for most who get 3 though. Since I barely react it's no big for me. For others it is.

My husband's doctor offered him the booster even though he's not obese. Well he's technically but a power lifter and the doc said why not? Lol. He goes tomorrow. They won't mix vaccines there though. Given he's like me, I expect an uneventful 3rd dose.
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BMI by fat or muscle is still BMI. Those currently being intubated are unvaxxed high BMI and in 40's and 50's
 
Ayla

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helenabear said:
Yup!

I will say I said to a friend recently that at this point I don't care if people are at the end with 2. They did good with that. Hoping the spacing out really does the trick for most who get 3 though. Since I barely react it's no big for me. For others it is.

My husband's doctor offered him the booster even though he's not obese. Well he's technically but a power lifter and the doc said why not? Lol. He goes tomorrow. They won't mix vaccines there though. Given he's like me, I expect an uneventful 3rd dose.
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I had a Pfizer booster yesterday morning, since my initial vaccine was J&J. Zero side effects.
 
correcaminos

correcaminos

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Ayla said:
I had a Pfizer booster yesterday morning, since my initial vaccine was J&J. Zero side effects.
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Awesome!

Nubs70 said:
BMI by fat or muscle is still BMI. Those currently being intubated are unvaxxed high BMI and in 40's and 50's
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I said he wasn't obese and I meant even by BMI. But if you think BMI with muscle mass vs fat is the same, I have a few doctors who will tell you otherwise. Including my son's and my husband's (fyi kid BMI assumes all tall kids are beanpoles with no muscle if tall for some ages, my kid's curve never changed and he magically now has totally average BMI). He's also vaccinated. So don't use this as fatty hate please. My husband's BMI is higher than mine but his body fat percentage is lower. I'm average BMI (as in not overweight at all) edit: the doc rounded up to the nearest 10 to get his weight to technically okay the vaccine. Since it's not in short supply what do I care?
 
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ToTBellHop

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helenabear said:
Awesome!


I said he wasn't obese and I meant even by BMI. But if you think BMI with muscle mass vs fat is the same, I have a few doctors who will tell you otherwise. Including my son's and my husband's (fyi kid BMI assumes all tall kids are beanpoles with no muscle if tall for some ages, my kid's curve never changed and he magically now has totally average BMI). He's also vaccinated. So don't use this as fatty hate please. My husband's BMI is higher than mine but his body fat percentage is lower. I'm average BMI (as in not overweight at all) edit: the doc rounded up to the nearest 10 to get his weight to technically okay the vaccine. Since it's not in short supply what do I care?
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BMI is a ridiculous metric for many people who work out.
 
correcaminos

correcaminos

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ToTBellHop said:
BMI is a ridiculous metric for many people who work out.
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Yes it is. For those with more muscle or more dense bones it can be misleading. Even the other way too. One of my friends is tall, not much muscle or chest (female) and lighter bones. Constantly was a fight for a doctor to not make them gain weight. When they did it affected things negatively so finally found current doc who leaves it alone. It's meant to be a screening guideline. Out of good range? Investigate why. Go from there.

My child's BMI has been all over. Unlike some tall kids he has a lot muscle for his age. Doc pointed it out years ago. Somewhere around 8 his BMI made him overweight. But if I changed his age to 10 with exact same stats he'd have been good weight for size. It's not perfect, but a guideline. My son's ped never told me he was overweight either which is good. I found out on accident because like a good doc, he had one look at my kid and ignored it.

It's like when your good cholesterol is over 70. Number change for what's good.
 
Heppenheimer

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Nubs70 said:
BMI by fat or muscle is still BMI. Those currently being intubated are unvaxxed high BMI and in 40's and 50's
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BMI is a screening tool, and like all screening tools, it has limitations and caveats. In the cases of the those who have a muscular physique but high BMI, we can perform a body fat percentage analysis. These individuals with a high BMI but low body fat percentage are not considered obese and they do not carry the same long term health risks as those with the high fat content. The one big exception is arthritis, since the effect of extra weight on the joints is the same whether it's from excess fat or muscle.

BMI also isn't that useful either for taller individuals. Someone 6'2'' needs proportionately more tissue to support their body frame than a 5'5'' person.
 
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Heppenheimer said:
BMI is a screening tool, and like all screening tools, it has limitations and caveats. In the cases of the those who have a muscular physique but high BMI, we can perform a body fat percentage analysis. These individuals with a high BMI but low body fat percentage are not considered obese and they do not carry the same long term health risks as those with the high fat content. The one big exception is arthritis, since the effect of extra weight on the joints is the same whether it's from excess fat or muscle.

BMI also isn't that useful either for taller individuals. Someone 6'2'' needs proportionately more tissue to support their body frame than a 5'5'' person.
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I keep telling them I'm not fat I'm just tall. They say 6'0" doesn't cut it.....
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Andrew C said:
Given that the vaccine for the 5-11 year age range differs in dosage, this is going to be a bit of a process...
www.expressnews.com

Texas pre-orders 1.3 million doses of COVID vaccine for 5- to 11-year-olds

The shots will start to ship as soon as the FDA grants emergency use authorization for...
www.expressnews.com www.expressnews.com
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It depends on where you go. If you can get your kid into a hospital-run clinic, that should be fine as vaccine will get allocated to those systems in high numbers, quickly. As for pediatricians’ offices—yes, that will likely take a couple weeks.
 
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