Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

Very clever except you left out the stats for children 5-11. Children in that age range are at a miniscule risk from COVID. The only reason to vaccinate them at all is to to reduce the number of potential spreaders. Given the facts, the bar should be extremely high with respect to side effects of the vaccine for children under 12.

Or we will listen to medical people who know more than most of us here who suggested we give it to the kids. Kids are not at zero risk from covid at all. But go ahead and keep trying to diminish the vaccine. Why you do baffles me still.

 

[ToTBellHop]

1) in the current sample of over 2k, there was an observable decrease in likelihood of contracting Covid. That is a known benefit.
2) no cases of myocarditis. Therefore, the number of kids who benefitted is higher than the number who suffered a serious side-effect (currently zero). We can certainly expect some serious side-effects once we start inoculating millions. That’s always true of vaccination.
3) we approved EUAs for the vaccine at other ages before we knew of this potential complication. That’s how EUAs work. Now we have the benefit of knowing it is possible and can look for it and treat it quickly if it occurs.
4) there seems to be an interplay between testosterone levels and myocarditis. Insofar as it is linked to male sex hormone levels, we can expect fewer cases of myocarditis in boys ages 5-11.
5) over 100 children in this age group have died of covid-19. We see approximately 100 flu deaths annually in this group and recommend widespread flu vaccination. Why on earth would we not do the same now? We can expect, if anything, more deaths in this age group now that social distancing is gone and they are in full classrooms. And we aren’t even discussing long covid.

Here in CT, we have learned that shots can begin 11/4 and some locations are already scheduling kids. I just grabbed appointments for my kids next Friday afternoon.

While I don’t think mandates are appropriate for this group yet, I am thankful that I will soon be able to do what I think is best for my kids. And that is this vaccination.

 

[Lilofan]

1) in the current sample of over 2k, there was an observable decrease in likelihood of contracting Covid. That is a known benefit.
2) no cases of myocarditis. Therefore, the number of kids who benefitted is higher than the number who suffered a serious side-effect (currently zero). We can certainly expect some serious side-effects once we start inoculating millions. That’s always true of vaccination.
3) we approved EUAs for the vaccine at other ages before we knew of this potential complication. That’s how EUAs work. Now we have the benefit of knowing it is possible and can look for it and treat it quickly if it occurs.
4) there seems to be an interplay between testosterone levels and myocarditis. Insofar as it is linked to male sex hormone levels, we can expect fewer cases of myocarditis in boys ages 5-11.
5) over 100 children in this age group have died of covid-19. We see approximately 100 flu deaths annually in this group and recommend widespread flu vaccination. Why on earth would we not do the same now? We can expect, if anything, more deaths in this age group now that social distancing is gone and they are in full classrooms.

Good for you for snagging appts for your kids!

 

[Andrew C]

Very clever except you left out the stats for children 5-11. Children in that age range are at a miniscule risk from COVID. The only reason to vaccinate them at all is to to reduce the number of potential spreaders. Given the facts, the bar should be extremely high with respect to side effects of the vaccine for children under 12.

I have said many times that I wish enough adults got vaccinated so we wouldn’t haven’t to worry so much about getting kids vaccinated right away. This is the most frustrating part to me. But that ship has sailed. We need them to do so in order to stop spread and outbreaks. And hopefully end this. Myocarditis risk is low. And even if a child does it get, it is easily treated with meds. It’s not even that big of the deal. IMO, the risk that it brings to the table has been overstated. So it’s not even a concern to me and I’m not worrying about it when I take my 8 year old to get the shot.

however, my prediction is that people are going to find other reasons to keep us from moving forward even when the vaccine is available to all in this age group. Some won’t be able to let go. It’s a good thing i have already moved forward. Lol. And so have my kids.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I have said many times that I wish enough adults got vaccinated so we wouldn’t haven’t to worry so much about getting kids vaccinated right away. This is the most frustrating part to me. But that ship has sailed. We need them to do so in order to stop spread and outbreaks. And hopefully end this. Myocarditis risk is low. And even if a child does it get, it is easily treated with meds. It’s not even that big of the deal. IMO, the risk that it brings to the table has been overstated. So it’s not even a concern to me and I’m not worrying about it when I take my 8 year old to get the shot.

however, my prediction is that people are going to find other reasons to keep us from moving forward even when the vaccine is available to all in this age group. Some won’t be able to let go. It’s a good thing i have already moved forward. Lol. And so have my kids.

I’m to the point that I just want my kids protected so I can stop worrying (so much) about all of the other morons. My kids will be safe AND they won’t be the ones who get the school secretary with MS sick. That’s the best I can do right now.

 

[DisneyCane]

5) over 100 children in this age group have died of covid-19. We see approximately 100 flu deaths annually in this group and recommend widespread flu vaccination. Why on earth would we not do the same now? We can expect, if anything, more deaths in this age group now that social distancing is gone and they are in full classrooms. And we aren’t even discussing long covid.

You are comparing flu deaths WITH the flu shot available to COVID without any medical intervention. The conclusion from what you posted is that the flu in unmitigated form is more dangerous to the 5-11 age group than COVID.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

49% of the worlds population is now vaccinated, nearly 7 billion doses.

Several countries have approved use for children in the last month so we’ll be over 50% soon. Unfortunately only 3% are vaccinated in poor countries, that’ll need to improve to end this thing.

 

[John park hopper]

Even though you and your kids get the shots the shots are not 100% effective I hope people are not getting a false sense of security thinking well I'm vaccinated everything is back to normal

 

[Heelz2315]

Isn't Mayor Demmings supposed to make an announcement today? Wonder if they'll cancel the Emergency Order?

 

[ToTBellHop]

Even though you and your kids get the shots the shots are not 100% effective I hope people are not getting a false sense of security thinking well I'm vaccinated everything is back to normal

How are you defining “normal”? Like the middle of a normal flu season? That’s approximately where the vaccinated are. The risk of a breakthrough serious infection is incredibly low in most populations. And in populations with higher risk, they are now eligible to boost and should do so.

 

[Andrew C]

I hope people are not getting a false sense of security thinking well I'm vaccinated everything is back to normal

This is exactly how I have tried to live my life since being vaccinated. It’s worked out pretty well.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Even though you and your kids get the shots the shots are not 100% effective I hope people are not getting a false sense of security thinking well I'm vaccinated everything is back to normal

I got my shots in April, I’ve been living my life like normal ever since. I may wash my hands more and still carry a sanitizer in the parks but compared to 2020 I consider that normal.

I recognize there’s still a risk, now that I’m vaccinated I find that risk acceptable though.

 

[John park hopper]

How are you defining “normal”? Like the middle of a normal flu season? That’s approximately where the vaccinated are. The risk of a breakthrough serious infection is incredibly low in most populations. And in populations with higher risk, they are now eligible to boost and should do so.

precovid

 

[ToTBellHop]

precovid

Right…we are in flu season. This risk of dying of COVID-19 right now for the vaccinated is pretty similar to that of flu.

I’d probably wear a mask on a plane during flu season going forward. Planes are nasty. But while walking around Walmart? The risk is rather low. I don’t go near strangers. Ewww.

 

[correcaminos]

I wanted to add here I think I didn't. We're now outside the window for reporting cases with the 5 day going back once diagnosed and such for the show. We received one notice that someone watching the show or the like (aka not a kid in the show or staff) tested positive a week after we were done. That was it. We have a high vaccination rate so even those unvaccinated are better protected. I'm relieved we did not cause an outbreak even among those intelligible to be vaccinated (we have many 6th graders who we may or may not know the status of previous infections)

1) in the current sample of over 2k, there was an observable decrease in likelihood of contracting Covid. That is a known benefit.
2) no cases of myocarditis. Therefore, the number of kids who benefitted is higher than the number who suffered a serious side-effect (currently zero). We can certainly expect some serious side-effects once we start inoculating millions. That’s always true of vaccination.
3) we approved EUAs for the vaccine at other ages before we knew of this potential complication. That’s how EUAs work. Now we have the benefit of knowing it is possible and can look for it and treat it quickly if it occurs.
4) there seems to be an interplay between testosterone levels and myocarditis. Insofar as it is linked to male sex hormone levels, we can expect fewer cases of myocarditis in boys ages 5-11.
5) over 100 children in this age group have died of covid-19. We see approximately 100 flu deaths annually in this group and recommend widespread flu vaccination. Why on earth would we not do the same now? We can expect, if anything, more deaths in this age group now that social distancing is gone and they are in full classrooms. And we aren’t even discussing long covid.

Here in CT, we have learned that shots can begin 11/4 and some locations are already scheduling kids. I just grabbed appointments for my kids next Friday afternoon.

While I don’t think mandates are appropriate for this group yet, I am thankful that I will soon be able to do what I think is best for my kids. And that is this vaccination.

Good for you getting appointments!

I have said many times that I wish enough adults got vaccinated so we wouldn’t haven’t to worry so much about getting kids vaccinated right away. This is the most frustrating part to me. But that ship has sailed. We need them to do so in order to stop spread and outbreaks. And hopefully end this. Myocarditis risk is low. And even if a child does it get, it is easily treated with meds. It’s not even that big of the deal. IMO, the risk that it brings to the table has been overstated. So it’s not even a concern to me and I’m not worrying about it when I take my 8 year old to get the shot.

however, my prediction is that people are going to find other reasons to keep us from moving forward even when the vaccine is available to all in this age group. Some won’t be able to let go. It’s a good thing i have already moved forward. Lol. And so have my kids.

Yep it sure has. We do as best we can with moving forward here. Though with some it's hard since their blatant refusal makes our choices limited at times.

I’m to the point that I just want my kids protected so I can stop worrying (so much) about all of the other morons. My kids will be safe AND they won’t be the ones who get the school secretary with MS sick. That’s the best I can do right now.

I feel both ideas. Thank you for being caring truly.

You are comparing flu deaths WITH the flu shot available to COVID without any medical intervention. The conclusion from what you posted is that the flu in unmitigated form is more dangerous to the 5-11 age group than COVID.

I have always vaccinated my kid for flu. Always. Especially when H1N1 was out and we waited hours in lines for clinics for that. Risk was not all that high but I was a good person and parent and protected my child and thus others. I'll ask again what is your point? You're now simply regurgitating other's ideas with one excuse after another.

 

[correcaminos]

Even though you and your kids get the shots the shots are not 100% effective I hope people are not getting a false sense of security thinking well I'm vaccinated everything is back to normal

Nope, but way better than if not vaccinated. I watch for infection level to dictate what I do. I also am happy to continue to get shot when asked if I want to test new stuff.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

A lot of people seem to be suddenly very concerned about a condition they likely never heard of before.

I can’t recall people ever acting like this before, desperately searching for any excuse not to take a fully approved vaccine, it’s mind boggling.

I had concerns about the speed it was developed also but it’s been a year and half the world is now vaccinated, if there were going to be side affects they’d have shown by now, time for people to stop looking so hard for excuses and just look at the facts.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I just got the flu shot and will get my COVID-19 booster once the recommend it for my age group. Once my kids are fully-vaccinated, I won’t have a care in the world. Broadway shows and cruise ships, here we come!

 

[Andrew C]

I can’t recall people ever acting like this before, desperately searching for any excuse not to take a fully approved vaccine, it’s mind boggling.

This situation is new to people. New situations typically lead to people stopping and thinking about it things they have never thought of in the past.

i don’t have an issue with people looking at myocarditis. But it think it’s clear by the evidence that it really shouldn’t be a big concern or stop people from getting vaccinated.

 

[correcaminos]

This is exactly how I have tried to live my life since being vaccinated. It’s worked out pretty well.

When did you get vaccinated? Our mandates here were only lifted about the time my kid got their 2nd dose. Even now we have masks required in places, but outside of that and putting them on more when out, we're normal.