Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[corsairk09]

Schools are under different jurisdictions than employers, and employers must allow it under the equal opportunity employment act. The option for kids with a true religious exemption is homeschooling; adults pretty much have to work. The other issue with California is that too many parents claim a religious exemption when they just don't want to vaccinate. Those with true religious exemptions should be few and far between and again, that's why everyone else needs to get vaccinated, because those people likely wouldn't accept medical treatment either if they got sick.

Public Schools allow religious exemptions to mandated vaccines... at least in my state.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

To me, a restaurant or business not allowing customers with masks would be the equivalent of not allowing a clothing accessory that is unique to people of certain cultures.

 

[GoofGoof]

That's great, but not everyone feels that way. I know what year it is and I notice the masks. I hate them, too, even though I comply and wear them when required. You can control what people do up to a certain point, but you can't control how they feel.

He didn’t say anything about hating wearing one or being uncomfortable. His statement was that when he sees people in masks he has anxiety that it means they are carrying a disease. That’s the part I was referring to. Back in Spring 2020 I think most people felt that way because we just were not used to seeing people in masks outside of medical facilities. Now, it’s pretty obvious that someone in a mask at a restaurant is just following a requirement.

 

[mmascari]

As for the point of wearing them while walking around the restaurant when going to/from your table, the bathroom, etc., that is to offer as much potential reduction in the spread of the virus as possible as people move around the room. You can't eat through a mask, so your only other options are either don't allow indoor dining at all or let the perfect be the enemy of the good and avoid any mitigations because they're less than 100% effective. To put it another way, if I have enough contact sensors for my home alarm to monitor all of my doors but only some of my windows, would I be smarter to use all of the contact sensors or just throw my hands up and say there's no point in having an alarm at all because someone might enter through the smallest window in my kitchen that's much harder to get through?

I have to agree with @DisneyCane here, and I'm a big proponent of mitigation measures in general while he isn't. Indoor dining is indoors first, and definitely maskless while eating.

If a restaurant is doing all kinds of other mitigation measures, mostly improved ventilation and distance, then it might make sense to wear a mask while not at the table. But, from the ones I've seen (which is only when picking up take out), the ventilation looks the same and there's maybe a little space but they're trying to hit close to full capacity. In that scenario, people will be inside long enough that the air will become consistently mixed everywhere. Thus making no difference if you're exhaling air at the table or while walking. All that used air is getting everywhere anyway.

Now, if that's not true. If a restaurant has done the ventilation upgrades to expel used air or filter, bring in fresh air, is doing the work to not drag it from one table to the next, all the stuff so that it doesn't homologize throughout the indoor space, then it would make sense to wear a mask while not at the table. There was a Washington Post story about a restaurant doing exactly this, along with CO2 monitors to try and detect if it was getting stale. This is rare though, and expensive.

It does feel like some of the useless plexiglass. Not all plexiglass, but most. I've heard of doctors office staff eating lunch on opposite sides of the waiting room window, while the office is closed. So it's just one person on each side and there is no opening between them. That's not the same as that one foot wide two foot tall plexiglass attached to the check writing desk at the grocery store. That thing is useless, I'm not even behind it for 99% of the time.

None of this makes this story good. Is the restaurant going to throw people out for wearing dress shoes instead of sandals?

 

[StarWarsGirl]

Someone needs to tell him that’s so 2020. Masks felt really odd in April 2020 but it’s been so long now. I don’t even notice them anymore.

I personally intend to wear masks during cold and flu season from now on. I used to get sinus infections from colds all the time, but I've had two since February of 2020. Granted, I also work from home, but I otherwise don't live like a hermit.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I personally intend to wear masks during cold and flu season from now on. I used to get sinus infections from colds all the time, but I've had two since February of 2020. Granted, I also work from home, but I otherwise don't live like a hermit.

I would love to see masks continue for all food service workers.

 

[GoofGoof]

I personally intend to wear masks during cold and flu season from now on. I used to get sinus infections from colds all the time, but I've had two since February of 2020. Granted, I also work from home, but I otherwise don't live like a hermit.

I don’t think you will be alone. I don’t really like wearing masks so once the covid threat passes I’m not likely to continue wearing one on a regular basis, but I think I would if I was sick and had to go somewhere where I’d interact with others for work or for my kids or visiting family.

 

[sullyinMT]

I truly do not understand the point of eating out and trying to wear a mask. I am probably the most Covid conservative person that I know in terms of what I am willing to do and not do, and for me that means not eating in a restaurant. I think people who mask while walking to the bathroom in a restaurant are honestly just making themselves feel better about being in a crowded place. The reality is that wearing your mask while walking to the restroom but taking it off to eat at your table does not mitigate much risk. If you are concerned about Covid you should be eating outside or doing takeout.

I’m with you. We were far more comfortable when our county hit <10cases/100k/day, and for a few weeks even under 5 this summer/late spring. Mask-free everywhere. Life was normal out here and it felt good. Now we’re an unmitigated disaster. So, we choose outdoor dining again and we’ve actually stopped doing a lot of the things we were enjoying indoors all along. Because it’s way worse than it’s ever been and people are behaving like it’s Jan 2020.

If my wife and I choose to go out for a lunch outdoors, we have been masking at the hostess stand and to the restroom. I’ll grant you that it’s realistically making very little impact, especially considering my work risk and the fact that our two boys are in person school and one is still unvaxxed (11). Some of it is psychological, but I’m glad that businesses around here haven’t gone to the level of ridiculous that that TX sports bar have achieved. I’m also shocked we’re not the only ones (though we are in a small minority) masking indoors.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I truly do not understand the point of eating out and trying to wear a mask. I am probably the most Covid conservative person that I know in terms of what I am willing to do and not do, and for me that means not eating in a restaurant. I think people who mask while walking to the bathroom in a restaurant are honestly just making themselves feel better about being in a crowded place. The reality is that wearing your mask while walking to the restroom but taking it off to eat at your table does not mitigate much risk. If you are concerned about Covid you should be eating outside or doing takeout.

I feel the same, some of the rules make no sense to me, I work in a casino in Vegas and we’re constantly reminding people to put their masks on, most people have learned to just grab another drink or another cigarette because it means they don’t have to wear one. I know it’s a unique situation but it feels like we are now encouraging people to smoke and drink more… in the name of health and safety.

As for wearing a mask to the bathroom, I don’t think it makes most people feel better, I think they (including me) do it because that’s the rule. We do a lot of “stupid” things everyday simply because we follow the rules. I just got back from DL and my mask goes on at the last second and comes off the second I step outdoors, I loathe masks (I’m sick of seeing the world through foggy glasses) but it’s Disney’s rule and I want to enjoy Disney so I follow it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Public Schools allow religious exemptions to mandated vaccines... at least in my state.

Not all states allow religious exemptions and school vaccine requirements also generally extend to private daycares and schools as well.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

None of this makes this story good. Is the restaurant going to throw people out for wearing dress shoes instead of sandals?

That's my biggest issue with the story. It should still be up to the person whether or not to wear a mask.

 

[correcaminos]

I personally intend to wear masks during cold and flu season from now on. I used to get sinus infections from colds all the time, but I've had two since February of 2020. Granted, I also work from home, but I otherwise don't live like a hermit.

I hate masks as a whole but loved how warm my face felt in the winter. I might continue. Makes me laugh to think about but it's true.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I hate masks as a whole but loved how warm my face felt in the winter. I might continue. Makes me laugh to think about but it's true.

I also use them for snow shoveling. I have asthma and the cold is a trigger. The mask significantly helps. It's weird but it does, even more than a scarf.

 

[DisneyCane]

I feel the same, some of the rules make no sense to me, I work in a casino in Vegas and we’re constantly reminding people to put their masks on, most people have learned to just grab another drink or another cigarette because it means they don’t have to wear one. I know it’s a unique situation but it feels like we are now encouraging people to smoke and drink more… in the name of health and safety.

As for wearing a mask to the bathroom, I don’t think it makes most people feel better, I think they (including me) do it because that’s the rule. We do a lot of “stupid” things everyday simply because we follow the rules. I just got back from DL and my mask goes on at the last second and comes off the second I step outdoors, I loathe masks (I’m sick of seeing the world through foggy glasses) but it’s Disney’s rule and I want to enjoy Disney so I follow it.

I really hope the masks are gone before the next time I go to Vegas which will be in March 2022. If not, I might have to start smoking or vaping. Can I just continuously vape pure water and not have to have a mask on?

 

[DCBaker]

"Florida on Friday reported 7,753 more COVID-19 cases and 11 deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention , according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.

In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,539,218 confirmed COVID cases and 53,116 deaths since the pandemic began.

In the past seven days, on average, the state has added 328 deaths and 7,724 cases to the daily cumulative total, according to Herald calculations of CDC data."

"There were 7,478 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida, according to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services Friday report. This data is reported from 262 Florida hospitals. That is 450 fewer patients than Thursday’s report, but also from two more reporting hospitals than the previous 260.

COVID-19 patients occupy 12.79% of all inpatient beds in the latest report’s hospitals, compared with 13.57% in the previous day’s reporting hospitals.

Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 1,939 people were in intensive care unit beds, a decrease of 102. That represents about 29.84% of the state’s ICU hospital beds compared with 31.24% the previous day."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254496012.html

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I really hope the masks are gone before the next time I go to Vegas which will be in March 2022. If not, I might have to start smoking or vaping. Can I just continuously vape pure water and not have to have a mask on?

I know you are probably joking, but don't vape inside with all of this still going on. I have a portable nebulizer and because of this, I don't use it when other people are around. I go outside or I find a nursing mother's room if I need it, unless it's in my own home, and even then I make sure no one minus the cats are around. It could spread covid on the off chance you're a carrier.

As far as wearing the masks, if you don't want to wear them, go someplace else. We barely wore ours in South Carolina because we were primarily outside. Nevada seems pretty strict, so if there's any spike, masks will come back.

 

[danlb_2000]

When I see people masked it makes me anxious because it feels like they all have a disease, like I'm in the infectious disease ward at a hospital.

That's the whole point of masks. We don't know who has the disease so everyone wears a mask just in case they have it.

 

[dreday3]

"Florida on Friday reported 7,753 more COVID-19 cases and 11 deaths to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention , according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.

In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,539,218 confirmed COVID cases and 53,116 deaths since the pandemic began.

In the past seven days, on average, the state has added 328 deaths and 7,724 cases to the daily cumulative total, according to Herald calculations of CDC data."

"There were 7,478 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida, according to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services Friday report. This data is reported from 262 Florida hospitals. That is 450 fewer patients than Thursday’s report, but also from two more reporting hospitals than the previous 260.

COVID-19 patients occupy 12.79% of all inpatient beds in the latest report’s hospitals, compared with 13.57% in the previous day’s reporting hospitals.

Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 1,939 people were in intensive care unit beds, a decrease of 102. That represents about 29.84% of the state’s ICU hospital beds compared with 31.24% the previous day."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254496012.html

Wow, those hospitalizations are dropping! Great news!

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I really hope the masks are gone before the next time I go to Vegas which will be in March 2022. If not, I might have to start smoking or vaping. Can I just continuously vape pure water and not have to have a mask on?

I’m surprised that Vegas is even allowing smoking inside right now. Casinos around me only allow smoking or vaping outside now, no exceptions since they reopened.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Please find me the study that shows the risk reduction accomplished by people wearing masks for brief periods walking to a table and the restroom in restaurants. Trying to argue with a straight face that those policies make any sense whatsoever would be like me arguing (AND TO BE CLEAR I AM NOT) that getting vaccinated is more risky than not.

They can choose not to go to a restaurant that doesn't allow masks. Since there's probably fewer than 50 in the whole country, it's an easy thing to do.

1. You know as well as I do that such a study doesn't exist, but studies DO exist that show the efficacy of mask is general. Logically, if I'm seated 30 feet away from you while we're both eating, for example, neither of us is much of a risk to the other. If one of us is sick and doesn't know it, then that person becomes a risk to the other if they decide to start walking around the room. Have you ever walked into a restaurant and run into someone you know and had a conversation with them while waiting for your table? Don't you think masks would limit your ability to transmit the virus to each other in that situation? Also, many people at restaurants end up spending more than just a brief amount of time in the restroom, for obvious reasons.

2. If nothing can be accepted without studies, I'd like to see your studies on the number of restaurants that don't allow masks.