Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DCBaker]

"Florida’s total number of COVID deaths broke 50,000 on Thursday and the seven-day average for number of new deaths was the second highest since the pandemic began, a grim milestone caused by the surge of new cases spawned by the virulent delta variant beginning in August.

Florida reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1,554 additional deaths and 9,760 more COVID-19 cases, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data. In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,473,873 confirmed COVID cases and 50,811 deaths.

All but 112 of the newly reported deaths — about 93% — occurred since Aug. 19, according to the Herald analysis. About 59% of the newly reported died in the past two weeks, the analysis showed."

"The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Wednesday report showed there were 10,247 COVID-19 patients reported from 253 Florida hospitals.

That’s 292 fewer patients than Tuesday’s report from 228 hospitals. In Wednesday’s report, COVID-19 patients took up 17.53% of all inpatient hospital beds compared to about 19% in the previous day’s reporting hospitals.

Of the people hospitalized in Florida, 2,512 people were in intensive-care units, a decrease of 63 from the previous day’s report, Herald analyses show. That represents 38.14% of the ICU beds at the 253 hospitals reporting data, compared to about 38% the previous day.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254271183.html#storylink=bignews_main

 

[MisterPenguin]

Pfizer for 5-11 y.o.

• Data finished by end of September.
• Application for EUA by early October.
• FDA approval anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks later (early to mid-November)

Pfizer for under 5 y.o.

• Application for EUA in November.
• FDA approval anywhere from early December to mid-January

Pfizer plans to seek vaccine authorization in November for kids under 5

Pfizer and BioNTech plan to file for Food and Drug Administration (FDA) emergency authorization in November for their COVID-19 vaccine for children younger than 5, Pfizer Chief Financial Officer Fr…

thehill.com

 

[mmascari]

They should be (no sarcasm). With that I would say Covid and variants are here to stay.

How many illegal immigrants do you think there are vs the number of others that are refusing vaccination?

I'll agree that along the boarder, in areas that have a high proportion of people it might be a local issue. But, for the vast majority of the country, it's a negligible percentage that is dwarfed by the number of everyone else that's not vaccinated.

Certainly, in FL, the number of illegal immigrants not vaccinated is going to be miniscule compared to the number of other FL residents that are not vaccinated.

 

[Chomama]

Pfizer for 5-11 y.o.

• Data finished by end of September.
• Application for EUA by early October.
• FDA approval anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks later (early to mid-November)

Pfizer for under 5 y.o.

• Application for EUA in November.
• FDA approval anywhere from early December to mid-January

Pfizer plans to seek vaccine authorization in November for kids under 5

Pfizer and BioNTech plan to file for Food and Drug Administration (FDA) emergency authorization in November for their COVID-19 vaccine for children younger than 5, Pfizer Chief Financial Officer Fr…

thehill.com

6-8 weeks!!! End in sight for kids!

 

[lazyboy97o]

Nice job avoiding the question.

The current administration is allowing mass migrations into this country, not requiring a free vaccine. The question was why is the administration not requiring these illegals to be vaccinated but mandating the American worker to be?

Either all or none.

Most people come here to work. They often try to pass themselves off as legally able to work, meaning OSHA regulations apply to them. A business hiring people not legally authorized to work is also probably not too concerned with OSHA requirements.

 

[Kman]

Hurray Canada!

I've complained many times about Alberta, but time and again we've tried to take the American approach and it has failed/backfired. Alberta has emergency introduced vaccine passports, which is pretty historic. This puts Canada all in on vaccine passports. The premiere had sworn he was not going to introduce them.

For those that really don't understand, Alberta currently is the most right leaning and least vaccinated of the Provinces (or Sask, but Alberta has actual major population centres). However, it's still well above the US average.



This is a big deal. Unfortunately the hospital is literally falling apart, which had to happen for them to relent.

haven't checked...has Saskatchewan instituted a passport system?

 

[GoofGoof]

Good luck with that.

Thanks. I don’t really have much to do with it personally. We are already seeing really good results from companies that mandated vaccines for employees. The vaccine rate has increased dramatically at places like Tyson foods who were front runners in this process. It’s highly unlikely that the employees who didn’t want to be vaccinated but then did go in all “changed their minds freely“ and got vaccinated. Some may have but most got vaccinated because they had to for work. So there wasn’t some epiphany or a changing of opinion or feelings on vaccination. They had to for work so they did it.

 

[willtravel]

How many illegal immigrants do you think there are vs the number of others that are refusing vaccination?

I'll agree that along the boarder, in areas that have a high proportion of people it might be a local issue. But, for the vast majority of the country, it's a negligible percentage that is dwarfed by the number of everyone else that's not vaccinated.

Certainly, in FL, the number of illegal immigrants not vaccinated is going to be miniscule compared to the number of other FL residents that are not vaccinated.

As always we ALL have our OWN opinion.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Pfizer for 5-11 y.o.

• Data finished by end of September.
• Application for EUA by early October.
• FDA approval anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks later (early to mid-November)

Pfizer for under 5 y.o.

• Application for EUA in November.
• FDA approval anywhere from early December to mid-January

Pfizer plans to seek vaccine authorization in November for kids under 5

Pfizer and BioNTech plan to file for Food and Drug Administration (FDA) emergency authorization in November for their COVID-19 vaccine for children younger than 5, Pfizer Chief Financial Officer Fr…

thehill.com

Any word on Moderna, since I think they were planning on submitting everyone from 11 to 6 months at once?

 

[Virtual Toad]

As always we ALL have our OWN opinion.

Which you are certainly entitled to. Here’s what the Associated Press has to say on the issue and specific claims related to immigration and COVID:

“At a news conference last week, Dr. Ivan Melendez, who serves as the local health authority in Hidalgo County, Texas, acknowledged that arriving migrants were “part of the problem” but he also said they did not pose any more of a danger than he does. “I have been in seven COVID units today.”

He said migrants are not responsible for introducing the virus nor do they have higher infection rates compared with the general population.

“Is it a pandemic of the migrants? No, it is a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Melendez said.

The number of arriving migrants is far too small to be driving the enormous increases in cases across the U.S., said Dr. Joseph McCormick, a physician and former CDC epidemiologist now based at the Brownsville campus of the University of Texas Health Science Center at the Houston School of Public Health.

“Given what we are seeing now across the country, it just doesn’t work to try to attribute that to migrants,” McCormick said. Furthermore, experts say, the delta variant, which was first identified in India, began circulating in the U.S. before it was in Mexico or other parts of Latin America, where most migrants arrive from.

“So the claim that migrants entering from the southern border brought delta to the U.S. is baseless rhetoric,” said Max Hadler, senior policy director for Physicians for Human Rights, in a statement. “Rates are increasing everywhere, in every state in the country. It’s not a border issue or a migrant issue, it’s a national issue.”

As for people who evade the Border Patrol and enter the United States undetected, there is no reason to suspect that they would have higher rates of COVID-19 infection, McCormick said.”

EXPLAINER: How do border policies affect US infection rates?

As the delta variant fuels an increase of COVID-19 cases in the U.S., some of President Joe Biden’s critics blame the surge on his border policies, which allow some migrants to enter the country to apply for asylum.

apnews.com

 

[ABQ]

Aides at U.S. nursing homes were least likely to be vaccinated, a study shows.​

Nursing home aides — the staff members who provide the most direct care to residents — were the least likely to be fully vaccinated against the coronavirus by mid-July, according to a new analysis of U.S. facilities.​

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The study underscores the influence that President Biden’s new federal mandate for all health care workers may have on populations like the elderly in nursing homes who are vulnerable to coronavirus infections, experts say.​

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The findings are “alarming and reason for pause,” said Brian McGarry, a health researcher at the University of Rochester and one of the authors of the analysis, which appeared in a research letter in JAMA Internal Medicine on Thursday.​

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Low vaccination rates among nursing home workers in some areas have fueled concern about fresh outbreaks among staff and residents in these facilities, even with high numbers of vaccinated residents. Covid deaths among nursing home staff and residents accounted for nearly one third of the nation’s pandemic fatalities as of June 1, and vaccination rates among staff average around 63 percent, according to the latest federal data.​

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But slightly under half of the certified nursing assistants were fully vaccinated, according to the analysis, which looked at federal vaccination data through July 18. That was before many nursing homes, states and cities began imposing mandates.​

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According to the study, in nursing homes overall, 61 percent of nurses, both registered nurses and licensed practical nurses, were vaccinated, compared with 71 percent of therapists and 77 percent of doctors and independent practitioners like physician assistants or nurse practitioners.​

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Some large nursing homes were starting to mandate vaccinations as the Delta variant began tearing through their communities and coming into nursing homes. Genesis HealthCare, one of the nation’s largest nursing-home operators, required vaccinations in August and said it had “met our deadline of 100 percent vaccinated staff, as promised — excluding the small number of individuals who received medical or religious exemptions.”​

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Nationally, about two-thirds of adults are now fully vaccinated, according to federal data.​

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David Grabowski, a professor of health care policy at Harvard Medical School and one of the study’s authors, said few nursing homes have mandates in place so far. While homes’ vaccination rates have ticked up slightly, the overall rate for nursing homes has hovered at just a little above 60 percent in the last couple of months even as the Delta variant took hold and drove up new cases among staff and residents.​

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The nursing home industry, which had been opposed to a mandate aimed specifically at its workers, favors the broader U.S. mandate. “We applaud President Biden for expanding Covid-19 vaccination requirements to all Medicare and Medicaid-certified health care settings as well as larger businesses,” said Mark Parkinson, the chief executive of the American Health Care Association, a major nursing home trade group, in a statement at the time.​

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“Despite rampant misinformation spreading online, the industry has made significant progress toward increasing the number of nursing home staff who are vaccinated since the beginning of the year,” the group said.​

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The researchers also looked at characteristics of the nation’s 15,000 nursing homes to determine which facilities had the most success in vaccinating their workers. While the vaccination rates of the county where they were located played a significant role, the researchers also found that traits like higher quality ratings from the Medicare program, the nonprofit status of the facility and a long-tenured staff also seemed to lead to higher rates.​

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“That gives us some suggestion that facility culture and leadership may play a role,” Dr. McGarry said, and management at these nursing homes may be better able to work with their staff to increase vaccine acceptance.​

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But none of those factors alone appeared to be critical in a nursing home’s success. “A lot of things seemed to matter a little bit,” he said.​

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Most influential may be the president’s decision earlier this month to impose a new federal mandate requiring all health care workers to be vaccinated. Nursing home workers may no longer be able to “job shop” as easily to find employment where vaccines are not mandated.​

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“The mandate takes all those things off the board and says everyone has to do it,” he said.​

As this is the industry I work in and my own organization mandated vaccines, the initial impact of the mandate was an exodus of CNA's in some cases if the state they worked in didn't have a mandate of its own and they just went to work for competing companies. However, as states began to impose mandates on healthcare workers en masse, that stopped as they had no where to go, unless they moved entirely out of state, which was less likely.

 

[mmascari]

How many illegal immigrants do you think there are vs the number of others that are refusing vaccination?

A quick Google tells me, which means I could be wrong, that in the past before COVID there were between 12 and 10 million illegal immigrants in a year. It was trending down from 12 towards 10 million.

The CDC says 14,133,874 people in FL have had at least 1 dose and that is 65.8% of people. 14,133,874/.0658 is just over 21 million people in FL. Taking 21 - 14, that leaves over 7 million people in FL that are not vaccinated. Lots of those are children under 12, so let's be generous and not include them.

Over 12 in FL 14,125,913 vaccinated with 1 dose at 75.6%. Population at 18,685,070, leaving 4.5 million unvaccinated by choice.

So, sure, if the entire illegal immigrant population of 10.5 million from 2017 is living in FL, but not counted in the FL population at all and they're ALL not vaccinated, and we compare them to ONLY the over 12 unvaccinated by choice 4.5 million Floridians, then yes it's a clearly a problem.

But, that a horrible comparison. If we're going to use that number, we should include the kids too. 10.5 vs 7 million at least. Let's get the data sets at least equivalent.

Let's pretend 50% of those immigrants are in FL. I mean, it's got a nice climate right? That would be 5 vs 7 million. So, yeah, that wouldn't be great. But, then for the rest of the county, it wouldn't even be a tiny part, they're mostly in FL after all. Probably all in line for Rise of the Resistance.

US as a whole, age 12 plus has 210,470,237 with at least 1 dose, 74.2%. That's 283,652,610 people over 12. That leave 73 million people over 12 who have chosen not to be vaccinated. At most, we're talking about 13%, 10 vs 73 million illegal immigrants, both assuming NONE of them are vaccinated and we're only counting over 12 for others. Gotta make the math as one sided as possible.

Definitely an issue in some local areas with high concentrations. But, it's nothing in the whole.

It's not an opinion, it's an analysis. If you're going to have a contrary opinion and want anyone to think you're not just throwing boogey men, present some facts. Preferably not alternative ones.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

This wasn't an opinion, this was a question.

One you didn't answer.

A quick Google tells me, which means I could be wrong, that in the past before COVID there were between 12 and 10 million illegal immigrants in a year. It was trending down from 12 towards 10 million.

The CDC says 14,133,874 people in FL have had at least 1 dose and that is 65.8% of people. 14,133,874/.0658 is just over 21 million people in FL. Taking 21 - 14, that leaves over 7 million people in FL that are not vaccinated. Lots of those are children under 12, so let's be generous and not include them.

Over 12 in FL 14,125,913 vaccinated with 1 dose at 75.6%. Population at 18,685,070, leaving 4.5 million unvaccinated by choice.

So, sure, if the entire illegal immigrant population of 10.5 million from 2017 is living in FL, but not counted in the FL population at all and they're ALL not vaccinated, and we compare them to ONLY the over 12 unvaccinated by choice 4.5 million Floridians, then yes it's a clearly a problem.

But, that a horrible comparison. If we're going to use that number, we should include the kids too. 10.5 vs 7 million at least. Let's get the data sets at least equivalent.

Let's pretend 50% of those immigrants are in FL. I mean, it's got a nice climate right? That would be 5 vs 7 million. So, yeah, that wouldn't be great. But, then for the rest of the county, it wouldn't even be a tiny part, they're mostly in FL after all. Probably all in line for Rise of the Resistance.

US as a whole, age 12 plus has 210,470,237 with at least 1 dose, 74.2%. That's 283,652,610 people over 12. That leave 73 million people over 12 who have chosen not to be vaccinated. At most, we're talking about 13%, 10 vs 73 million illegal immigrants, both assuming NONE of them are vaccinated and we're only counting over 12 for others. Gotta make the math as one sided as possible.

Definitely an issue in some local areas with high concentrations. But, it's nothing in the whole.

It's not an opinion, it's an analysis. If you're going to have a contrary opinion and want anyone to think you're not just throwing boogey men, present some facts. Preferably not alternative ones.

They told me there would be no math today. Good post but my head hurts.

 

[GoofGoof]

This wasn't an opinion, this was a question.

One you didn't answer.

A quick Google tells me, which means I could be wrong, that in the past before COVID there were between 12 and 10 million illegal immigrants in a year. It was trending down from 12 towards 10 million.

The CDC says 14,133,874 people in FL have had at least 1 dose and that is 65.8% of people. 14,133,874/.0658 is just over 21 million people in FL. Taking 21 - 14, that leaves over 7 million people in FL that are not vaccinated. Lots of those are children under 12, so let's be generous and not include them.

Over 12 in FL 14,125,913 vaccinated with 1 dose at 75.6%. Population at 18,685,070, leaving 4.5 million unvaccinated by choice.

So, sure, if the entire illegal immigrant population of 10.5 million from 2017 is living in FL, but not counted in the FL population at all and they're ALL not vaccinated, and we compare them to ONLY the over 12 unvaccinated by choice 4.5 million Floridians, then yes it's a clearly a problem.

But, that a horrible comparison. If we're going to use that number, we should include the kids too. 10.5 vs 7 million at least. Let's get the data sets at least equivalent.

Let's pretend 50% of those immigrants are in FL. I mean, it's got a nice climate right? That would be 5 vs 7 million. So, yeah, that wouldn't be great. But, then for the rest of the county, it wouldn't even be a tiny part, they're mostly in FL after all. Probably all in line for Rise of the Resistance.

US as a whole, age 12 plus has 210,470,237 with at least 1 dose, 74.2%. That's 283,652,610 people over 12. That leave 73 million people over 12 who have chosen not to be vaccinated. At most, we're talking about 13%, 10 vs 73 million illegal immigrants, both assuming NONE of them are vaccinated and we're only counting over 12 for others. Gotta make the math as one sided as possible.

Definitely an issue in some local areas with high concentrations. But, it's nothing in the whole.

It's not an opinion, it's an analysis. If you're going to have a contrary opinion and want anyone to think you're not just throwing boogey men, present some facts. Preferably not alternative ones.

Said differently if the biggest problem we had on the covid vaccination front was illegal immigrants not being vaccinated then we’d be in a lot better spot than we are today. I wish that was our biggest or only problem.

 

[October82]

Said differently if the biggest problem we had on the covid vaccination front was illegal immigrants not being vaccinated then we’d be in a lot better spot than we are today. I wish that was our biggest or only problem.

If only undocumented people were unvaccinated, there would be no community spread and we wouldn't be talking about Covid at all anymore.

 

[Ayla]

Said differently if the biggest problem we had on the covid vaccination front was illegal immigrants not being vaccinated then we’d be in a lot better spot than we are today. I wish that was our biggest or only problem.

Immigrants are a red herring and a way for unvaccinated people to deflect blame off themselves for being spreaders.

 

[disneygeek90]

Said differently if the biggest problem we had on the covid vaccination front was illegal immigrants not being vaccinated then we’d be in a lot better spot than we are today. I wish that was our biggest or only problem.

Don't forget the not-homeless homeless sleeping in random houses with no electricity

 

[Lilofan]

If only undocumented people were unvaccinated, there would be no community spread and we wouldn't be talking about Covid at all anymore.

Part of the false narrative being pushed to the gullible to make some believe it is the cause of the covid surge. Many know better and continue to push for better vaccination rates throughout the country.

 

[Lilofan]

Don't forget the not-homeless homeless sleeping in random houses with no electricity

Not so in Oahu. Some sleep on the beach in tourist central Waikiki being lulled to sleep by the gentle waves and breezy tradewinds .

 

[MisterPenguin]

Any word on Moderna, since I think they were planning on submitting everyone from 11 to 6 months at once?

Moderna vaccines for kids are still a ways off​

The timeline is a bit more nebulous for the Moderna vaccine. The biotech filed for full FDA approval of its COVID jab in people aged 18 and older in late August and requested the agency expand its current emergency authorization for adolescents aged 12 to 17 in June. That has yet to occur even though Pfizer was granted its initial emergency authorization for those 16 and older back in December 2020 and won an expanded emergency designation among 12-to-15 year-olds in May.​

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So it will likely take Moderna weeks, if not months, longer to first gain regulators' blessing in the 12 to 17 crowd (the company points to clinical trial data demonstrating extremely high efficacy in more than 3,700 U.S. teens to justify its vaccine's use among this group) and longer still for the youngest children under the age of 12. Johnson & Johnson and its single-dose coronavirus shot are even further behind in the process, although it did begin testing its vaccine in 12- to 17-year-olds in the spring. Both Moderna and Pfizer have enrolled or begun enrolling study participants as young as six months old for their respective COVID trials.​

3 things you should know about kids' COVID vaccines

Young children, including most kids under 12, might be able to get COVID vaccines in mere months. Here's what you should know.

fortune.com