Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

If Canada's numbers hit the plateau, they can pull out the big gun- free Tim Horton's.

I'm not sure we have an equivalent institution in the US that would have the same effect. Maybe a raffle for free Disney tickets? ("Yeah, right, that will happen!", scornfully laughs a certain chrome-domed CEO...).

I'd be happy if the daily parking fee in resorts and parks go away. There was a time not long ago that it was free.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Um, that was the point.

They are still all those things.

The person who didn't want the vaccine because it's experimental isn't going to suddenly be convinced that it's not experimental.
The person who is anti vax isn't going to suddenly decided vaccines are the answer.
The person who listens to all the right wing talk saying not to get vaccinated and that COVID isn't a big deal, even as many of those very people catch and die of COVID isn't going to suddenly decide that COVID is dangerous or even if dangerous that the vaccine is the answer.

We're past the point of trying to change those minds. It's simply not possible anymore, they've been in whatever reason for to long now. The only way to change the mind of someone who has bought into all the right wing talking points, believed the points about not taking the vaccine, wasn't convinced as the talking head that told them all the information died is to overturn the last year in their head. To have them change perspective and acknowledge that they were wrong for the last year. It's not going to happen. The mental hurdle is to large.

Hence, we need new reasons that aren't tied to those. Even if they only give an appearance of not being related. Just needs to be enough so someone can have both thoughts in their head at the same time and does NOT need to admit they were wrong. They can be BOTH right in whatever prior idea AND get vaccinated at the same time.

That's why restrictions tied to vaccination are the only answer left. The only thought that needs to be overcome is that the vaccine isn't going to kill someone. If they cannot get past that, there's no hope. Since who would do something they think will kill them. All the other stuff, they can simply be angry that they're being "forced" to take the vaccine. Want to go out to dinner, get vaccinated. Want to go to a movie theater, get vaccinated. Want to get on a plane, get vaccinated. Want to travel internationally, get vaccinated. Someone can justify that they want to do do those things and since those things required vaccination, they're getting the vaccine. It's not because the prior thought was wrong. The vaccine can still be "stupid, not required, COVID not a big deal" but they'll get it anyway because they want to do X and doing it means they need a vaccine.

For the real anti government everything types, getting a drivers license or any ID is probably stupid too. But they do it anyway, because the hassle of not having one is to large. That's the only answer left.

To paraphrase, changing minds is a means to an end, not the end itself. Getting people vaccinated is the goal. If changing minds doesn't work, then proceed to the next strategy. At this point, I don't care why the hold-outs decide to finally get the vaccine, I just want them to do it.

 

[October82]

That authority was granted by an act of Congress 50 years ago. It’s entirely possible to limit the authority bjt that would need to be done by Congress.

The biggest issue with the Federal Government is that when congress created these agencies, they gave them the power to make whatever rules they wanted to without needing congressional approval for anything. I know that for a lot of things, the particular rules are outside of the area of expertise for congress. However, they should have put something in when they created all of these agencies that any new or changed regulation must get approved by at least a congressional committee.

Perhaps a bit ironically, this would almost certainly be unconstitutional. It raises serious separation of powers issues if Congressional committees can overrule decisions made by the executive branch.

OSHA is probably somewhat limited in that they will have to justify things in court and show they are necessary for workplace safety. The constitution needs so much interpretation because it was written somewhat vaguely. The vast majority of things done by the Federal Government are broad interpretations of providing for the "general welfare."

This was the intention of the people who wrote the constitution. The US is a common law country.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I don't think a raffle would do it anymore.

How about a lottery?

 

[Heelz2315]

Mid to late June is when it got that low and seemed like it would stay there. Then it started rising.

I wonder if (hopefully when) it gets back to that point what if any precautions Disney would put in the parks?

 

[DCBaker]

Starting today, AdventHealth in central Florida moves to green status -

"Effective Sept. 16, AdventHealth’s Central Florida Division will transition to "green" status.

This move signals a return to mostly normal operations.

AdventHealth currently has 890 inpatients across Central Florida, compared to a peak of 1,700 on Aug. 23."

“After seeing our COVID inpatient volumes continue to steadily decline, we are pleased to move to green status, which allows us to resume our non-emergent services that have been on hold for several weeks,” said Dr. Neil Finkler, chief clinical officer of AdventHealth’s Central Florida Division. “We thank our community and patients for their continued support and patience as we ramp up operations and procedures. We ask for our community’s continued support by continuing to mask, practice social distancing and get vaccinated. The vast majority of people hospitalized and seriously ill continue to be unvaccinated.”

https://www.wesh.com/article/adventhealth-to-transition-to-green-status/

 

[Patcheslee]

Well work said they were going to do vaccine incentive program. Figured it was going to be like $25 gift cards of something. Info has been released, prizes are: 1 Ram truck, 2 generators, 5 $500 visa gift cards. If they get 10400 people entered they add 3 rolling tool boxes, 3 $1000 GCs, 25 $50 GCs. 14500 people gets additional prizes: 2 $2000 GCs, 3 $1000 GCs, 25 $50 prizes. If they get 19500 people they add an additional Ram truck.
ALOT more than expected for sure. This is for US employees only, still big.

 

[Lilofan]

Well work said they were going to do vaccine incentive program. Figured it was going to be like $25 gift cards of something. Info has been released, prizes are: 1 Ram truck, 2 generators, 5 $500 visa gift cards. If they get 10400 people entered they add 3 rolling tool boxes, 3 $1000 GCs, 25 $50 GCs. 14500 people gets additional prizes: 2 $2000 GCs, 3 $1000 GCs, 25 $50 prizes. If they get 19500 people they add an additional Ram truck.
ALOT more than expected for sure. This is for US employees only, still big.

Anyone that wins the grand prize of the Dodge Ram truck, I'd offer a cash incentive to the winner to see if he/she can hand over the truck keys and title to me.

 

[FanforDisney]

Um, that was the point.

They are still all those things.

The person who didn't want the vaccine because it's experimental isn't going to suddenly be convinced that it's not experimental.
The person who is anti vax isn't going to suddenly decided vaccines are the answer.
The person who listens to all the right wing talk saying not to get vaccinated and that COVID isn't a big deal, even as many of those very people catch and die of COVID isn't going to suddenly decide that COVID is dangerous or even if dangerous that the vaccine is the answer.

We're past the point of trying to change those minds. It's simply not possible anymore, they've been in whatever reason for to long now. The only way to change the mind of someone who has bought into all the right wing talking points, believed the points about not taking the vaccine, wasn't convinced as the talking head that told them all the information died is to overturn the last year in their head. To have them change perspective and acknowledge that they were wrong for the last year. It's not going to happen. The mental hurdle is to large.

Hence, we need new reasons that aren't tied to those. Even if they only give an appearance of not being related. Just needs to be enough so someone can have both thoughts in their head at the same time and does NOT need to admit they were wrong. They can be BOTH right in whatever prior idea AND get vaccinated at the same time.

That's why restrictions tied to vaccination are the only answer left. The only thought that needs to be overcome is that the vaccine isn't going to kill someone. If they cannot get past that, there's no hope. Since who would do something they think will kill them. All the other stuff, they can simply be angry that they're being "forced" to take the vaccine. Want to go out to dinner, get vaccinated. Want to go to a movie theater, get vaccinated. Want to get on a plane, get vaccinated. Want to travel internationally, get vaccinated. Someone can justify that they want to do do those things and since those things required vaccination, they're getting the vaccine. It's not because the prior thought was wrong. The vaccine can still be "stupid, not required, COVID not a big deal" but they'll get it anyway because they want to do X and doing it means they need a vaccine.

For the real anti government everything types, getting a drivers license or any ID is probably stupid too. But they do it anyway, because the hassle of not having one is to large. That's the only answer left.

Can you explain why Biden administration is not requiring migrates to get the vaccine(free) but is requiring american workers to get it?

 

[correcaminos]

My wife talked a neighbor into getting the shot. The neighbor told my wife the only reason she got the shot was that my wife was the first person to talk to her about the shot like an adult.

Good for her. I've tried to help so many and each will have their own talking point that helps. I may get frustrated online and wish I could jab everyone in their sleep, but really one needs to meet each individual where they are. I give (social) media a lit of blame for scaring people though, making us all have to work harder.

 

[GoofGoof]

Can you explain why Biden administration is not requiring migrates to get the vaccine(free) but is requiring american workers to get it?

Legal immigrants are required to get a bunch of different vaccines as part of the immigration process. It’s been that way for years. I don’t see why this vaccine wouldn’t be added in the future too.

Per the immigration services website:

Background​

Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases:

• Mumps
• Measles
• Rubella
• Polio
• Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids
• Pertussis
• Haemophilus influenzae type B
• Hepatitis B
• Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices

The covid vaccine could be formally added but is also likely to be covered under the last bullet.

Vaccination Requirements | USCIS

These Questions and Answers provide basic information about the general vaccination requirements for immigrants (including individuals seeking adjustment of status), and specifically about the asse

www.uscis.gov

Edit: it appears that this has already happened, effective Oct 1:

U.S. Vaccine Mandate for Incoming Immigrants Takes Effect October 1

U.S. will require COVID-19 vaccines for immigrants and refugees. As of October 1, immigrant applicants for permanent resident status in the U.S. must be

reason.com

 

[Patcheslee]

Anyone that wins the grand prize of the Dodge Ram truck, I'd offer a cash incentive to the winner to see if he/she can hand over the truck keys and title to me.

Yeah, I'd be selling the darn thing. $75k ARV taxes at 22% plus 7.65% for FICA is a good 20k in taxes. I'd sell and maybe research DVC lol
Edit: just read fine print in the contest: employer will give additional cash payment to defray the cost of noncash prizes. Wow

 

[Communicora]

Legal immigrants are required to get a bunch of different vaccines as part of the immigration process. It’s been that way for years. I don’t see why this vaccine wouldn’t be added in the future too.

Per the immigration services website:

Background​

Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases:

• Mumps
• Measles
• Rubella
• Polio
• Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids
• Pertussis
• Haemophilus influenzae type B
• Hepatitis B
• Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices

The covid vaccine could be formally added but is also likely to be covered under the last bullet.

Vaccination Requirements | USCIS

These Questions and Answers provide basic information about the general vaccination requirements for immigrants (including individuals seeking adjustment of status), and specifically about the asse

www.uscis.gov

The COVID-19 vaccine is now a requirement.

The U.S. Will Require Would-Be Immigrants To Prove They've Been Vaccinated For COVID

The COVID-19 shot joins a list of well-established vaccines required by the U.S., aimed at preventing dangerous diseases such as polio and varicella (chickenpox).

www.npr.org

 

[Virtual Toad]

Legal immigrants are required to get a bunch of different vaccines as part of the immigration process. It’s been that way for years. I don’t see why this vaccine wouldn’t be added in the future too.

Per the immigration services website:

Background​

Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases:

• Mumps
• Measles
• Rubella
• Polio
• Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids
• Pertussis
• Haemophilus influenzae type B
• Hepatitis B
• Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices

The covid vaccine could be formally added but is also likely to be covered under the last bullet.

Vaccination Requirements | USCIS

These Questions and Answers provide basic information about the general vaccination requirements for immigrants (including individuals seeking adjustment of status), and specifically about the asse

www.uscis.gov

Edited to add: Communicora beat me to it

“Migrants applying for U.S. residency will soon be required to get the COVID vaccine first, the Department of Homeland Security said on Tuesday.”

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article254248343.html

 

[cranbiz]

Legal immigrants are required to get a bunch of different vaccines as part of the immigration process. It’s been that way for years. I don’t see why this vaccine wouldn’t be added in the future too.

Per the immigration services website:

Background​

Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases:

• Mumps
• Measles
• Rubella
• Polio
• Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids
• Pertussis
• Haemophilus influenzae type B
• Hepatitis B
• Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices

The covid vaccine could be formally added but is also likely to be covered under the last bullet.

Vaccination Requirements | USCIS

These Questions and Answers provide basic information about the general vaccination requirements for immigrants (including individuals seeking adjustment of status), and specifically about the asse

www.uscis.gov

Nice job avoiding the question.

The current administration is allowing mass migrations into this country, not requiring a free vaccine. The question was why is the administration not requiring these illegals to be vaccinated but mandating the American worker to be?

Either all or none.

 

[Virtual Toad]

Nice job avoiding the question.

The current administration is allowing mass migrations into this country, not requiring a free vaccine. The question was why is the administration not requiring these illegals to be vaccinated but mandating the American worker to be?

Either all or none.

Please refer to the two posts prior to yours for more information.

 

[cranbiz]

Please refer to the two posts prior to yours for more information.

Those appeared while I was writing the post. They were not there when the question was asked.

 

[Virtual Toad]

Those appeared while I was writing the post. They were not there when the question was asked.

No worries!

 

[FanforDisney]

Legal immigrants are required to get a bunch of different vaccines as part of the immigration process. It’s been that way for years. I don’t see why this vaccine wouldn’t be added in the future too.

Per the immigration services website:

Background​

Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases:

• Mumps
• Measles
• Rubella
• Polio
• Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids
• Pertussis
• Haemophilus influenzae type B
• Hepatitis B
• Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices

The covid vaccine could be formally added but is also likely to be covered under the last bullet.

Vaccination Requirements | USCIS

These Questions and Answers provide basic information about the general vaccination requirements for immigrants (including individuals seeking adjustment of status), and specifically about the asse

www.uscis.gov

Edit: it appears that this has already happened, effective Oct 1:

U.S. Vaccine Mandate for Incoming Immigrants Takes Effect October 1

U.S. will require COVID-19 vaccines for immigrants and refugees. As of October 1, immigrant applicants for permanent resident status in the U.S. must be

reason.com

Your second article is from 8-25-2021. A more recent article:

Biden doesn't require migrants at border to get vaccinated despite mandate on Americans

The Biden administration is not planning to vaccinate the nearly 200,000 migrants who are showing up on the border each month, despite imposing mandates on federal workers and private businesses nationwide.

www.yahoo.com

"
White House press secretary Jen Psaki confirmed during a press briefing Friday that many employees would be required to get the coronavirus vaccine but that people in federal custody at the U.S.-Mexico border would not be required, nor be able, to get it."

 

[GoofGoof]

Nice job avoiding the question.

The current administration is allowing mass migrations into this country, not requiring a free vaccine. The question was why is the administration not requiring these illegals to be vaccinated but mandating the American worker to be?

Either all or none.

I guess it’s all