Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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That's true going through the Orlando airport , a number of places are closed. When going through the half open food court in the late morning half the food places were closed but the Chinese place serving lunch plates starts serving food at the weird hour of 3 am. If one is departing from the United terminal at MCO , the Za - Zas Cuban cuisine is delicious Cuban food!
I just wanted a Pretzel but the Auntie Anne’s was closed as well as the 2 food markets and a few restaurants. The McDs and the Chinese place were open as well as Chipotle which was packed but all options seemed like a bad idea before getting on a flight.
 

Patcheslee

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All of this may very well explain why we, in MI, must now drive to Detroit to actually get a NOV flight.
All of those "connectors" have pretty much shut down. DIRECT, one shot flights, are still sort of OK... but God help you if you are depending on "connectors" to get you to a major airport :(.

DELTA phone service, with 4-6 hour waits, is not helping. I suspect no one else has anything that looks like phone Service.

BEGGING the US to bring back real Train Service :(. Shoot for 1948 - not 2023 :(.
Yes, Delta cut the IND to MCO direct flight so we had to drive to Cincinnati. Morning flight at 6am was pushed to a 9am flight, and late flight canceled. Then out of the 3 daily direct flights home the latest was canceled less than a month before we flew. Booted us to a 5pm. Between the two changes we were cut a half day away from home.
 

DisneyFan32

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@GoofGoof looks like Illinois may go full lockdown if the surge keeps going before end of the year because the state has most spike in its county. Is the pandemic will be ending next year?
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Another reason to get vaccinated even if there are breakthrough cases...


Breakthough infections are less likely to lead to long Covid, a study suggests.



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A clinic providing vaccinations for around 1,000 people per day was set up inside the Salisbury Cathedral in England in January.Credit...Andrew Testa for The New York Times
People who experience breakthrough infections of the coronavirus after being fully vaccinated are about 50 percent less likely to experience long Covid than are unvaccinated people who catch the virus, researchers said in a large new report on British adults.

The study, which was published in the journal Lancet Infectious Diseases on Wednesday, also provides more evidence that the two-shot Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines offer powerful protection against symptomatic and severe disease.

“This is really, I think, the first study showing that long Covid is reduced by double vaccination, and it’s reduced significantly,” said Dr. Claire Steves, a geriatrician at King’s College London and the study’s lead author.

Although many people with Covid recover within a few weeks, some experience long-term symptoms, which can be debilitating. This constellation of lingering aftereffects that have become known as long Covid may include fatigue, shortness of breath, brain fog, heart palpitations and other symptoms. But much about the condition remains mysterious.

“We don’t have a treatment yet for long Covid,” Dr. Steves said. Getting vaccinated, she said, “is a prevention strategy that everybody can engage in.”

The findings add to a growing pile of research on so-called breakthrough infections among vaccinated people. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has confirmed that the highly contagious Delta variant is causing more of these breakthroughs than other versions of the virus, although infections in fully vaccinated people still tend to be mild.

The new findings are based on data from more than 1.2 million adults in the Covid Symptom Study, in which volunteers use a mobile app to log their symptoms, test results and vaccination records. The participants include those who received at least one dose of the Pfizer, Moderna or AstraZeneca vaccines between Dec. 8 and July 4, as well as a control group of unvaccinated people.

Of the nearly 1 million people who were fully vaccinated, 0.2 percent reported a breakthrough infection, the researchers found. Those who did get breakthrough infections were roughly twice as likely to be asymptomatic as were those who were infected and unvaccinated. The odds of being hospitalized were 73 percent lower in the breakthrough group than the infected, unvaccinated group.

The odds of having long-term symptoms — lasting at least four weeks after infection — were also 49 percent lower in the breakthrough group.

“Of course, vaccines also massively reduce your risk of getting infected in the first place,” Dr. Steves said. That lowered risk means that vaccination should reduce the odds of long Covid by even more, she noted.

The study has limitations, the researchers acknowledge, the most notable of which is that the data is all self-reported. Long Covid is also difficult to study, with wide-ranging symptoms that may vary enormously in severity.

But Dr. Steves said that she hoped the findings might encourage more young people, whose vaccination rates have lagged behind, to get the shots. Young adults are less likely to become seriously ill from the virus than older adults, but they are still at risk for long Covid, she noted.

“Being out of action for six months has a major impact on people’s lives,” she said. “So, if we can show that their personal risk of long Covid is reduced by getting their vaccinations, that may be something that may help them make a decision to go ahead and get a vaccine.”
 

Polkadotdress

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We have a pretty big school district at ~16,000 students. Btu after 1.5 weeks of school we have 42 students an 9 staff cases. That feels like a lot.

I'm lucky my daughter is vaccinated, which takes her chances of infection down. My brother with a 3rd-grade kid is reasonably nervous.
Our neighborhood K-8 reached these numbers after being open for less than 2 weeks (out of a total of 1500 students):
319 students quarantined and 72 positives with 22 staff quarantined and 15 staff positives as well.

That’s a 20% rate for students…!!!
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Speaking of my recent visit to the most magical place on Earth….man was the joint empty. I’ve never seen WDW with that small of crowds. Really pretty crazy. In 10 park days I waited in a line longer than 10 minutes twice, once for about 25 mins for Slinky Dog and a second ride on Flight of Passage that was about 20 mins at mid day. I attribute the low crowds to a combination of southern schools going back, no international visitors, the delayed opening of stuff until 10/1, and covid from both sides (the surging Covid cases getting people to cancel and also some people not wanting to go if they have to wear a mask). It was a pleasant surprise to see crowds this low and made the covid situating much easier to deal with. It was pretty easy to mostly avoid crowds and distance from people. I’ll share some details from a covid prospective. The mostly good and a few negatives. We did a split stay between BCV and Poly.

My flight was completely sold out so every seat filled but everyone around me wore their masks and there were no viral video opportunities. It was a short, uneventful flight. I assume the crowd who believes masks don’t work will not travel by airplane since there’s no sign of distancing anymore. The magic express bus was half empty which is unusual in my experience so set the tone for the week+ I’d be there. Despite the heat we did eat a lot of counter service meals outside but even the table service places felt spread out more than I was expecting. It helped that we had a party of 8 so a big table that was further from the neighbors due to the tables being pushed together. The Disney transport was really good too. The skyliner was the best option for distancing as we always got our own cabin but even the boats and buses were pretty empty most of the time. We had 1 “uncomfortable” bus ride back to BCV from DHS when the thunderstorms rolled in and the Skyliner and boat shut down. They crammed BC/YC with BW and Swan/Dolphin on 1 bus. That’s the only time we stood near others and luckily we were the 2nd stop so less than 10 mins on the bus.

As far as indoor ride queues and mask compliance it was near 100%. The CMs were firm but friendly with reminders and most people just did it naturally. As I said above we hardly waited in long lines but when we were in line, even indoor, we did our own distancing and felt pretty safe. There was one exception to this and it was Friday evening at MK. There was a boo bash which lets people in before park close and it seemed to get a little crowded. I was in line for Buzz and I’d say half the people in the indoor queue had no masks, unfortunately the CM at the front door stepped away to help someone and people just walked in without masks. Several people in the line even giving high fives to each other and mocking the mask wearing. I perceived this to be more of a locals crowd although I’m not sure why locals would shell out $100 for the after hours event. The older couple in front of me included a guy in a wheelchair and no masks. When we got to the front the CM told them to put masks on and the lady flipped out and screamed that she only had it off for a second which was a total lie. Luckily the line was only about 5 mins so I got through and then left MK after that.

The one thing we completely avoided was the fireworks from the hub. I know outdoors is safer, but it was way too crowded and I wouldn’t have felt comfortable standing in that crowd. I would have had to go get a rapid test if I stayed in that mob😷. We watched the fireworks multiple nights from the Poly pool and we could see the EPCOT fireworks from our balcony at BCV. I didn’t feel like we missed out on anything. We ate at a number of restaurants and the only indoor dining that felt a little tight was Be Our Guest. The tables were not as well spaced but that was the only place I felt that way. Overall, I’d say it was pretty easy to enjoy our time and forget about Covid a little. We still wore the masks indoors and in some outdoor crowds, we used a lot of hand sanitizer and it’s pretty hard to totally forget it’s a pandemic, but it was still good to get away.
 

maui2k7

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Our neighborhood K-8 reached these numbers after being open for less than 2 weeks (out of a total of 1500 students):
319 students quarantined and 72 positives with 22 staff quarantined and 15 staff positives as well.

That’s a 20% rate for students…!!!
The positive rate is 4.8% which higher than we have her run TX (3.4%). We do not quarantine unless someone exposed has symptoms otherwise we would have a lot more kids out than we do.

Hopefully things improve soon.
 

DC0703

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@GoofGoof looks like Illinois may go full lockdown if the surge keeps going before end of the year because the state has most spike in its county. Is the pandemic will be ending next year?
I live in Illinois and, although there is an indoor mask mandate, the governor has repeatedly said that he has no plans for widespread lockdowns in the future. Illinois' COVID numbers have been hovering between 4000-5000 cases per day.
 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
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Another reason to get vaccinated even if there are breakthrough cases...


Breakthough infections are less likely to lead to long Covid, a study suggests.



01virus-briefing-long-covid-01-articleLarge.jpg


A clinic providing vaccinations for around 1,000 people per day was set up inside the Salisbury Cathedral in England in January.Credit...Andrew Testa for The New York Times
People who experience breakthrough infections of the coronavirus after being fully vaccinated are about 50 percent less likely to experience long Covid than are unvaccinated people who catch the virus, researchers said in a large new report on British adults.

The study, which was published in the journal Lancet Infectious Diseases on Wednesday, also provides more evidence that the two-shot Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca vaccines offer powerful protection against symptomatic and severe disease.

“This is really, I think, the first study showing that long Covid is reduced by double vaccination, and it’s reduced significantly,” said Dr. Claire Steves, a geriatrician at King’s College London and the study’s lead author.

Although many people with Covid recover within a few weeks, some experience long-term symptoms, which can be debilitating. This constellation of lingering aftereffects that have become known as long Covid may include fatigue, shortness of breath, brain fog, heart palpitations and other symptoms. But much about the condition remains mysterious.

“We don’t have a treatment yet for long Covid,” Dr. Steves said. Getting vaccinated, she said, “is a prevention strategy that everybody can engage in.”

The findings add to a growing pile of research on so-called breakthrough infections among vaccinated people. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has confirmed that the highly contagious Delta variant is causing more of these breakthroughs than other versions of the virus, although infections in fully vaccinated people still tend to be mild.

The new findings are based on data from more than 1.2 million adults in the Covid Symptom Study, in which volunteers use a mobile app to log their symptoms, test results and vaccination records. The participants include those who received at least one dose of the Pfizer, Moderna or AstraZeneca vaccines between Dec. 8 and July 4, as well as a control group of unvaccinated people.

Of the nearly 1 million people who were fully vaccinated, 0.2 percent reported a breakthrough infection, the researchers found. Those who did get breakthrough infections were roughly twice as likely to be asymptomatic as were those who were infected and unvaccinated. The odds of being hospitalized were 73 percent lower in the breakthrough group than the infected, unvaccinated group.

The odds of having long-term symptoms — lasting at least four weeks after infection — were also 49 percent lower in the breakthrough group.

“Of course, vaccines also massively reduce your risk of getting infected in the first place,” Dr. Steves said. That lowered risk means that vaccination should reduce the odds of long Covid by even more, she noted.

The study has limitations, the researchers acknowledge, the most notable of which is that the data is all self-reported. Long Covid is also difficult to study, with wide-ranging symptoms that may vary enormously in severity.

But Dr. Steves said that she hoped the findings might encourage more young people, whose vaccination rates have lagged behind, to get the shots. Young adults are less likely to become seriously ill from the virus than older adults, but they are still at risk for long Covid, she noted.

“Being out of action for six months has a major impact on people’s lives,” she said. “So, if we can show that their personal risk of long Covid is reduced by getting their vaccinations, that may be something that may help them make a decision to go ahead and get a vaccine.”
I hope the pandemic will be over soon next year....:eek:
 

Kman

Well-Known Member

Here are the places that proof of vaccination will be required in Ontario starting September 22. There is no religious or medical exceptions.


  • Restaurants and bars (excluding outdoor patios, delivery and takeout).

  • Nightclubs, including outdoor areas.
  • Meeting and event spaces like banquet halls and convention centres.
  • Sports and fitness facilities and gyms, with the exception of youth recreational sports.
  • Sporting events.
  • Casinos, bingo halls and gaming establishments.
  • Concerts, music festivals, theatres and cinemas.
In my opinion our province is late to the party again. On Sept 22nd we have to present a paper copy or our phone with the proof plus ID like it's 1995. It's not until Oct 22nd that they roll out the app. What the hell?? The apps are out there and being used already. Adopt one and get it working already.

Our government has been hesitant to bring in a passport. I believe it's because he doesn't want to tick off his social conservative base but that's just my theory.

I guess at least it's coming in. Better late and poorly done than never.
 

matt9112

Well-Known Member
Florida should probably have or allow for some type of virtual option based on spread so that kids in quarantine can continue to learn, or parents who don't want to send kids to school still have an option. Probably need both options available for at least the first semester, although I think in-person should be the default as much as possible.

Most districts did. My. District is firing it back up next week. But i stand by virtual learning being very hollow compared to in person teaching.
 

matt9112

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I don’t think they want students quarantining either. The anti-mask thing also seems to come at least with the “it doesn’t effect children” line not to mention the more ridiculous ideas such as masks causing brain damage. A lot of these places, including Florida, have also removed the option of virtual learning. It’s kids and faculty, in person, without masks no matter what.

Virtual is coming back in places. But i felt like virtual last year was an entire school year squandered. Its not the same.
 

nixon186

New Member
It’s mind boggling to me that people won’t take an approved vaccine but will take an unapproved veterinary drug based on nothing but rumor and distrust.

I’m as distrustful of the gov and politicians as anyone but to believe this is a worldwide conspiracy, involving politicians and scientists from hundreds of countries, not to mention millions of nurses and doctors across the globe, is absolute lunacy.

It’s truly mind boggling, and alarming, that people now trust social media more than doctors and scientists
It’s mind boggling to me that people won’t take an approved vaccine but will take an unapproved veterinary drug based on nothing but rumor and distrust.

I’m as distrustful of the gov and politicians as anyone but to believe this is a worldwide conspiracy, involving politicians and scientists from hundreds of countries, not to mention millions of nurses and doctors across the globe, is absolute lunacy.

It’s truly mind boggling, and alarming, that people now trust social media more than doctors and scientists.
emergency approved. I'll pass.
 

disneygeek90

Well-Known Member
Speaking of my recent visit to the most magical place on Earth….man was the joint empty. I’ve never seen WDW with that small of crowds. Really pretty crazy. In 10 park days I waited in a line longer than 10 minutes twice, once for about 25 mins for Slinky Dog and a second ride on Flight of Passage that was about 20 mins at mid day. I attribute the low crowds to a combination of southern schools going back, no international visitors, the delayed opening of stuff until 10/1, and covid from both sides (the surging Covid cases getting people to cancel and also some people not wanting to go if they have to wear a mask). It was a pleasant surprise to see crowds this low and made the covid situating much easier to deal with. It was pretty easy to mostly avoid crowds and distance from people. I’ll share some details from a covid prospective. The mostly good and a few negatives. We did a split stay between BCV and Poly.

My flight was completely sold out so every seat filled but everyone around me wore their masks and there were no viral video opportunities. It was a short, uneventful flight. I assume the crowd who believes masks don’t work will not travel by airplane since there’s no sign of distancing anymore. The magic express bus was half empty which is unusual in my experience so set the tone for the week+ I’d be there. Despite the heat we did eat a lot of counter service meals outside but even the table service places felt spread out more than I was expecting. It helped that we had a party of 8 so a big table that was further from the neighbors due to the tables being pushed together. The Disney transport was really good too. The skyliner was the best option for distancing as we always got our own cabin but even the boats and buses were pretty empty most of the time. We had 1 “uncomfortable” bus ride back to BCV from DHS when the thunderstorms rolled in and the Skyliner and boat shut down. They crammed BC/YC with BW and Swan/Dolphin on 1 bus. That’s the only time we stood near others and luckily we were the 2nd stop so less than 10 mins on the bus.

As far as indoor ride queues and mask compliance it was near 100%. The CMs were firm but friendly with reminders and most people just did it naturally. As I said above we hardly waited in long lines but when we were in line, even indoor, we did our own distancing and felt pretty safe. There was one exception to this and it was Friday evening at MK. There was a boo bash which lets people in before park close and it seemed to get a little crowded. I was in line for Buzz and I’d say half the people in the indoor queue had no masks, unfortunately the CM at the front door stepped away to help someone and people just walked in without masks. Several people in the line even giving high fives to each other and mocking the mask wearing. I perceived this to be more of a locals crowd although I’m not sure why locals would shell out $100 for the after hours event. The older couple in front of me included a guy in a wheelchair and no masks. When we got to the front the CM told them to put masks on and the lady flipped out and screamed that she only had it off for a second which was a total lie. Luckily the line was only about 5 mins so I got through and then left MK after that.

The one thing we completely avoided was the fireworks from the hub. I know outdoors is safer, but it was way too crowded and I wouldn’t have felt comfortable standing in that crowd. I would have had to go get a rapid test if I stayed in that mob😷. We watched the fireworks multiple nights from the Poly pool and we could see the EPCOT fireworks from our balcony at BCV. I didn’t feel like we missed out on anything. We ate at a number of restaurants and the only indoor dining that felt a little tight was Be Our Guest. The tables were not as well spaced but that was the only place I felt that way. Overall, I’d say it was pretty easy to enjoy our time and forget about Covid a little. We still wore the masks indoors and in some outdoor crowds, we used a lot of hand sanitizer and it’s pretty hard to totally forget it’s a pandemic, but it was still good to get away.
You picked a good week. Even 2 months ago the crowds were a lot different. I'm definitely trying to take advantage of it now while I can, lowest crowds in at least a year.
 

The Mrs

Active Member
You can’t self administer, but at least here in Florida there’s not much of a screening process in order to receive the monoclonal antibodies. They’re giving them out at Camping World Stadium like candy to people.
That surprises me very much. Thanks for the information. I was under the impression they were administered in a hospital setting and somewhat hard to come by.
 
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