Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Polkadotdress

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Lilofan

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I hope may there will be no more spike anymore by Christmas as enough people are vaccinated along with kids 5-11 too, by the pandemic will be over in next year.
There will be more getting vaccinated or if some don't , then some will be fired if they don't follow their respective company directive.
 

Club34

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Natural Immunity: Is it strong or isn't it? Doesn't matter. New variants make whatever natural defenses the infected gained from their initial less effective. So, how to those relying on natural immunity boost it? By licking doorknobs in the hope of catching COVID again? Get vaccinated.

I'm still highly skeptical that the CDC and/or the FDA will sign off on boosters at this time for the general population like they did for the immune-compromised.

Except I would say it does matter. No one, and I mean no one, on the forum is going to convince anyone to get vaccinated at this point. People need to accept that. Pride is toxic and that is where we are at in my opinion. So knowing that these minds will likely never be changed by data, shame, or careful conversation, knowing what immunity these folks might have following an infection that they survive is useful and should be part of the conversation.

The notion that we have (as of last night?) been approved for boosters is not necessarily good news. The WHO (who I trust no more than any politician or the CDC for that matter) has made an interesting point. Western countries have been hogging up all the vaccines and many in developing nations are struggling to vaccinate their own populations. Not a good strategy in fighting a global pandemic. This idea needs discussion and planning. We will need Africa's help, Thailand's help, etc if we think we can get back to "normal".

If folks think we are going to vaccinate our way out of this, then they should do well to start vaccinating everyone (meaning as many as possible). We're so busy making fun of TX and FL that we forgot India and other places that can't just walk into CVS without a line at this point and get inoculated. This notion of vaccine shortage will be a bigger thing moving forward I suspect if the current surge continues and/or a quick wave returns as the states and Europe head into winter. I'm not looking forward to it at all.
 

DisneyFan32

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Except I would say it does matter. No one, and I mean no one, on the forum is going to convince anyone to get vaccinated at this point. People need to accept that. Pride is toxic and that is where we are at in my opinion. So knowing that these minds will likely never be changed by data, shame, or careful conversation, knowing what immunity these folks might have following an infection that they survive is useful and should be part of the conversation.

The notion that we have (as of last night?) been approved for boosters is not necessarily good news. The WHO (who I trust no more than any politician or the CDC for that matter) has made an interesting point. Western countries have been hogging up all the vaccines and many in developing nations are struggling to vaccinate their own populations. Not a good strategy in fighting a global pandemic. This idea needs discussion and planning. We will need Africa's help, Thailand's help, etc if we think we can get back to "normal".

If folks think we are going to vaccinate our way out of this, then they should do well to start vaccinating everyone (meaning as many as possible). We're so busy making fun of TX and FL that we forgot India and other places that can't just walk into CVS without a line at this point and get inoculated. This notion of vaccine shortage will be a bigger thing moving forward I suspect if the current surge continues and/or a quick wave returns as the states and Europe head into winter. I'm not looking forward to it at all.
I hope we don't get a quick wave in winter as enough people are vaccinated.
 

Heppenheimer

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Except I would say it does matter. No one, and I mean no one, on the forum is going to convince anyone to get vaccinated at this point. People need to accept that. Pride is toxic and that is where we are at in my opinion. So knowing that these minds will likely never be changed by data, shame, or careful conversation, knowing what immunity these folks might have following an infection that they survive is useful and should be part of the conversation.

The notion that we have (as of last night?) been approved for boosters is not necessarily good news. The WHO (who I trust no more than any politician or the CDC for that matter) has made an interesting point. Western countries have been hogging up all the vaccines and many in developing nations are struggling to vaccinate their own populations. Not a good strategy in fighting a global pandemic. This idea needs discussion and planning. We will need Africa's help, Thailand's help, etc if we think we can get back to "normal".

If folks think we are going to vaccinate our way out of this, then they should do well to start vaccinating everyone (meaning as many as possible). We're so busy making fun of TX and FL that we forgot India and other places that can't just walk into CVS without a line at this point and get inoculated. This notion of vaccine shortage will be a bigger thing moving forward I suspect if the current surge continues and/or a quick wave returns as the states and Europe head into winter. I'm not looking forward to it at all.
If being reasonable and offering incentives hasn't worked, then time to start mandating vaccination, or face restrictions on what individuals can do in society. I'm glad to see more and more jurisdictions and private companies are moving in this direction.

We only have so much control what happens beyond our borders, beyond being active and engaged members of certain world organizations. But we can very much control what happens within the country, and right now, we haven't done nearly enough to reduce our own vulnerability.
 

correcaminos

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Except I would say it does matter. No one, and I mean no one, on the forum is going to convince anyone to get vaccinated at this point. People need to accept that. Pride is toxic and that is where we are at in my opinion. So knowing that these minds will likely never be changed by data, shame, or careful conversation, knowing what immunity these folks might have following an infection that they survive is useful and should be part of the conversation.

The notion that we have (as of last night?) been approved for boosters is not necessarily good news. The WHO (who I trust no more than any politician or the CDC for that matter) has made an interesting point. Western countries have been hogging up all the vaccines and many in developing nations are struggling to vaccinate their own populations. Not a good strategy in fighting a global pandemic. This idea needs discussion and planning. We will need Africa's help, Thailand's help, etc if we think we can get back to "normal".

If folks think we are going to vaccinate our way out of this, then they should do well to start vaccinating everyone (meaning as many as possible). We're so busy making fun of TX and FL that we forgot India and other places that can't just walk into CVS without a line at this point and get inoculated. This notion of vaccine shortage will be a bigger thing moving forward I suspect if the current surge continues and/or a quick wave returns as the states and Europe head into winter. I'm not looking forward to it at all.
I've made it a goal to help as many people as possible get vaccinated. In the early days I spents hours scouring openings for people who asked for help. Around April that need diminished and now I focus on one on one. It's pretty amazing when others actually open and listen. It has happened this week even so not all hope is lost.

When I try and fail with everyone left, I'll accept it. For now I will not.
 

Timmay

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If being reasonable and offering incentives hasn't worked, then time to start mandating vaccination, or face restrictions on what individuals can do in society. I'm glad to see more and more jurisdictions and private companies are moving in this direction.

We only have so much control what happens beyond our borders, beyond being active and engaged members of certain world organizations. But we can very much control what happens within the country, and right now, we haven't done nearly enough to reduce our own vulnerability.
In the end, I agree. If I owned a company there would be a vaccine mandate for all employees. I personally think people aren’t prepared or, worse still, even considered the unintended consequences. One need only look at Houston Methodist, which lost 150 staff due to their vaccine mandate. That was a few months ago. Guess what they are struggling with today?
 

Disorbust

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In the end, I agree. If I owned a company there would be a vaccine mandate for all employees. I personally think people aren’t prepared or, worse still, even considered the unintended consequences. One need only look at Houston Methodist, which lost 150 staff due to their vaccine mandate. That was a few months ago. Guess what they are struggling with today?
Houston Methodist has over 22,000 employees. 150 is nothing. They are struggling with staffing, as is every Health care system, for the same reasons before there was even a pandemic.
 

danlb_2000

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Except I would say it does matter. No one, and I mean no one, on the forum is going to convince anyone to get vaccinated at this point. People need to accept that. Pride is toxic and that is where we are at in my opinion. So knowing that these minds will likely never be changed by data, shame, or careful conversation, knowing what immunity these folks might have following an infection that they survive is useful and should be part of the conversation.

The notion that we have (as of last night?) been approved for boosters is not necessarily good news. The WHO (who I trust no more than any politician or the CDC for that matter) has made an interesting point. Western countries have been hogging up all the vaccines and many in developing nations are struggling to vaccinate their own populations. Not a good strategy in fighting a global pandemic. This idea needs discussion and planning. We will need Africa's help, Thailand's help, etc if we think we can get back to "normal".

If folks think we are going to vaccinate our way out of this, then they should do well to start vaccinating everyone (meaning as many as possible). We're so busy making fun of TX and FL that we forgot India and other places that can't just walk into CVS without a line at this point and get inoculated. This notion of vaccine shortage will be a bigger thing moving forward I suspect if the current surge continues and/or a quick wave returns as the states and Europe head into winter. I'm not looking forward to it at all.

Not sure if you are simply referring to people on the forum convincing other people on the forum, or do you mean convincing people in real life? We have had a number of people on here talk about how they have convinced people in real life.
 

Lilofan

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In the end, I agree. If I owned a company there would be a vaccine mandate for all employees. I personally think people aren’t prepared or, worse still, even considered the unintended consequences. One need only look at Houston Methodist, which lost 150 staff due to their vaccine mandate. That was a few months ago. Guess what they are struggling with today?
The idiotic 150 Houston Methodist hospital staff who no longer work there tried filing a lawsuit of them being used as medical guinea pigs regarding vaccine mandates. " Ma' Freedom " helped them lose their jobs.
 
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