Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Club34]

That is not honest. Vaccines are the single best and most effective defense we have. No, they aren’t 100% perfect. But they are better than anything else, including better then naturally acquired immunity from a year+ earlier.

Here is my original post. What is not honest? See bolded/underlined below.

There is more nuance than these binary positions here would have one believe. I am not going against the notion that vaccinations represent the most effective defense in the current pandemic. However, these positions are also being oversold. ...if we're being honest.

I never said that immunity acquired from having covid was better than the vaccine. Now that would make you being dishonest. Please do not come at me and put me in a position to have to respond like this. You are clearly misrepresenting what I wrote and it is clear as day. The fact that people would respond like this is why I am saying positions are being oversold. This is a tactic as opposed to a nuanced discussion about a global pandemic.

Walk on water? No, he isn’t a god. He is an honest public servant, a preeminent scientist, who has been on the front line protecting this nation for decades. Of course he wasn’t and isn’t all knowing. But he knows 100000x more than the people slandering him out of some political gamesmanship

Honest? By what metric? Are you denying that he engaged in doublespeak regarding gain of function research that he was affiliated with or knew about? There is video footage of him fumbling on this in a congressional hearing. Are you denying that he did lie to the American people about mask-wearing/effectiveness at the beginning of this pandemic (even if it was for the greater good to save masks for people who work in hospitals)? This isn't slander. It is a realistic take of his own behavior/words without passion or prejudice. Give him a medal of freedom and a pat on the back. I just think it's time for new leadership here.

 

[Club34]

Not sure why you quoted me. Just was giving that the CDC is looking at vaccines vs natural immunity

However I disagree that it is being oversold. I don't care much about Fauci one way or another.

I appreciate your posting of the articles. I was talking about this very thing in a private forum not too long ago that we need to hear more about what having covid does or does not do in terms of immunity. I think that is why some people are wondering about the topic. The narrative is to ignore natural immunity to push the vaccine (hence being oversold and why I quoted it along with that other post). I understand why they would do this but it isn't helping. I disagree with the likes of Sam Harris (semi-popular? intellectual who I am quite fond of) who said that this is not the time to be asking questions. Total garbage. This is exactly the time to be asking questions. It's not my problem that there is an overabundance of morons (and this coming from the dumbest forum member, mind you) that cannot handle the nuance.

Immunity from having Covid previously does offer a measure of protection. No, it may not offer the same measure of protection as the vaccine, but nevertheless, there is immunity. The fact that people may want to hear about those things does not indicate being an anti-vaxxer and even if they are an anti-vaxxer, the legitimacy of the topic still stands. It can be and should be discussed. I will not stand for discourse being curtailed just because there are people who think Covid is a hoax and the vaccine is a CIA mind-control drug.

 

[SammyMF]

Asking questions is always good. The problem is what happens among too many people when the answer isnt what they want to hear. It is not covid specific. It is about everything and we have seen it for years. And they also tend to lash out. The subject may be different but the tune is the same.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Natural Immunity: Is it strong or isn't it? Doesn't matter. New variants make whatever natural defenses the infected gained from their initial less effective. So, how to those relying on natural immunity boost it? By licking doorknobs in the hope of catching COVID again? Get vaccinated.

I'm still highly skeptical that the CDC and/or the FDA will sign off on boosters at this time for the general population like they did for the immune-compromised.

 

[Amused to Death]

I'm still highly skeptical that the CDC and/or the FDA will sign off on boosters at this time for the general population like they did for the immune-compromised.

Skeptical? How so?

COVID-19 Booster Shots Will Roll Out In September In The U.S.

People will be eligible for a booster shot eight months after their second dose of their vaccines from Pfizer or Moderna, according to U.S. health officials.

www.npr.org

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

If we will get herd immunity as enough people getting vaccinated by Christmas then there will be no different variants in the future as a threat.

Only if you get the whole world vaccinated

 

[Timmay]

The booster push isn’t exactly going down well with some experts.

U.S. officials' decision on Covid-19 booster shots baffles — and upsets — some scientists

The Biden administration’s decision to start authorizing third doses of Covid-19 vaccine in September is being met with bafflement, concern, and even anger by a number of scientists.

www.statnews.com

 

[Lilofan]

That would be two weeks before I would be due to fly to orlando. If I can get a booster on the 20th I certainly will. Unless they stick to the 8 month minimum part. Otherwise, I am sure every pharmacy in the area will be inundated with phone calls.

Currently appts at CVS and Walgreens nationwide are accepting walk ins and appts made online. When I clicked on CVS, many more appt slots regaarding boosters for Pfizer as compared to a few slots for Moderna. Hopefully the amount of shots can ramp up after Sept 20. Also it is on the honor system for the immunocompromised group getting their shots now from what I read and understood. No ID or insurance needed, just show your official CDC card that you have been vaccinated with either Moderna or Pfizer. Good luck to you. If those vaccine mega centers don't open again it may be a madhouse at the local pharmacies in the fall season and the temps would be cooling for most of the country but maybe not peoples tempers.

 

[Lilofan]

The booster push is exactly going down well with some experts.

U.S. officials' decision on Covid-19 booster shots baffles — and upsets — some scientists

The Biden administration’s decision to start authorizing third doses of Covid-19 vaccine in September is being met with bafflement, concern, and even anger by a number of scientists.

www.statnews.com

My family member's doctor, an oncologist , recommended getting the booster. We 100% agree and already lined up an appt time to get the shot.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Still figuring this stuff out. Another study with some results we thought possible but now known.

Young kids more likely than older kids to spread COVID-19 to household

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[DisneyFan32]

Still figuring this stuff out. Another study with some results we thought possible but now known.

Young kids more likely than older kids to spread COVID-19 to household

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Young kids needs to get vaccine soon by October that makes reducing COVID-19 spreading by end of the year as other unvaccinated people are getting vaccinating in USA, as rest of the world will be vaccinated by next year.

 

[Kevin_W]

The booster push isn’t exactly going down well with some experts.

U.S. officials' decision on Covid-19 booster shots baffles — and upsets — some scientists

The Biden administration’s decision to start authorizing third doses of Covid-19 vaccine in September is being met with bafflement, concern, and even anger by a number of scientists.

www.statnews.com

I generally like statnews, but that's a terribly headline. None of the doctors they quoted seemed baffled or upset by the decision. , they simply disagreed.

 

[Kevin_W]

Still figuring this stuff out. Another study with some results we thought possible but now known.

Young kids more likely than older kids to spread COVID-19 to household

www.cidrap.umn.edu

Is anyone shocked that a 0-3 year old is 43% more likely to transmit Covid than a 14-17 year old? You generally aren't brushing a 14-17 yr old's teeth/hair for them, let alone putting food in their mouths.

 

[Timmay]

I generally like statnews, but that's a terribly headline. None of the doctors they quoted seemed baffled or upset by the decision. , they simply disagreed.

Headlines rarely convey the true message in an article.

 

[Lilofan]

Headlines rarely convey the true message in an article.

Headlines whether accurate or not make the customer decide whether to read the article or not or buy a paper which some actually still do.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I generally like statnews, but that's a terribly headline. None of the doctors they quoted seemed baffled or upset by the decision. , they simply disagreed.

I agree with this. Some are questioning a few things about timing mostly.
In the second paragraph it states..” many flat out challenged the need for boosters at this time”. Now unless I glossed over it or I’m just tired, I saw none of that in the article.

 

[Timmay]

I agree with this. Some are questioning a few things about timing mostly.
In the second paragraph it states..” many flat out challenged the need for boosters at this time”. Now unless I glossed over it or I’m just tired, I saw none of that in the article.

There were three different instances of it in the article I believe

 

[Virtual Toad]

'We're in a place we've not been before': Alabama's ICUs filled as COVID-19 surge continues

COVID cases accounted for 48% of Alabama's ICU patients on Monday, as hospitals around the state have begun limiting procedures to preserve resources.

www.montgomeryadvertiser.com

 

[DisneyFan32]

Currently appts at CVS and Walgreens nationwide are accepting walk ins and appts made online. When I clicked on CVS, many more appt slots regaarding boosters for Pfizer as compared to a few slots for Moderna. Hopefully the amount of shots can ramp up after Sept 20. Also it is on the honor system for the immunocompromised group getting their shots now from what I read and understood. No ID or insurance needed, just show your official CDC card that you have been vaccinated with either Moderna or Pfizer. Good luck to you. If those vaccine mega centers don't open again it may be a madhouse at the local pharmacies in the fall season and the temps would be cooling for most of the country but maybe not peoples tempers.

I hope may there will be no more spike anymore by Christmas as enough people are vaccinated along with kids 5-11 too, by the pandemic will be over in next year.

 

[correcaminos]

I appreciate your posting of the articles. I was talking about this very thing in a private forum not too long ago that we need to hear more about what having covid does or does not do in terms of immunity. I think that is why some people are wondering about the topic. The narrative is to ignore natural immunity to push the vaccine (hence being oversold and why I quoted it along with that other post). I understand why they would do this but it isn't helping. I disagree with the likes of Sam Harris (semi-popular? intellectual who I am quite fond of) who said that this is not the time to be asking questions. Total garbage. This is exactly the time to be asking questions. It's not my problem that there is an overabundance of morons (and this coming from the dumbest forum member, mind you) that cannot handle the nuance.

Immunity from having Covid previously does offer a measure of protection. No, it may not offer the same measure of protection as the vaccine, but nevertheless, there is immunity. The fact that people may want to hear about those things does not indicate being an anti-vaxxer and even if they are an anti-vaxxer, the legitimacy of the topic still stands. It can be and should be discussed. I will not stand for discourse being curtailed just because there are people who think Covid is a hoax and the vaccine is a CIA mind-control drug.

Appreciate your thoughts. We can agree to disagree that it is being oversold. I went from "we don't know, but it looks good" to "still pretty good but not the best"

Oddly friends who were earlier cases and really bad off didn't care about how good their natural immunity was. They wanted everything in their power to make sure they didn't live it or have it worse. Just a differing point of view. Neither is right or wrong in my opinion. Though some do use "natural immunity" as anti-vax rhetoric. Not all do, but many who often had covid 2 or more times too

I do think many are looking at all angles, but IRL not everyone sees that they are.