I have no issue with businesses requiring vaccination. I’m all for that too at this point.
Wow! This kind of sums up how I feel about all of the data we're given. So much of it is useless for exactly the types of reasons you state, yet it could be so meaningful if put together differently. I guess that's statistics in general. Anyone can use them to show anything if the people drawing conclusions don't ask the right questions. It's definitely frustrating.As someone who got the J&J, any news that even acknowledges it's existence is typically nice to hear. But, I don't think our media is capable of this type of reporting in a meaningful way. I suspect some science journal is more likely to publish a paper on it, but it'll be months after the fact. Perhaps useful for determining who needs a booster and what that booster should be. Months later because a research team will need to decide it's worth writing and then do all the data gathering.
I can see already see it now, something like a national number: We looked at 100 breakthrough cases, 45 were A, 40 B, and only 15 C.
Completely leaving out how they picked those 100. If they're all within the same area or just picked from wherever. It doesn't tell us much if 45% of breakthroughs are from A, if all the A examples are from an area that has say 90% of vaccinated people with A or if the area has high community spread. That 15 of C sounds great. But, what if it's because in the area studied there is almost nobody with C, mostly A and B. Then, even a low number for C would be bad.
Unless we're controlling for vaccine distribution and community spread, reporting on the percentages of breakthroughs of each vaccine is kind of meaningless. But, it would cause huge storms of people saying that need to get the one that's best.
They could do reporting like: In area X where 25% of vaccinated people got C, and C represents 25% of breakthrough cases. Which would tell us C is about the same as the comparison. Controlled for community spread and comparing vaccinated population to breakthrough population.
At least for about 10 minutes. Until the next publication took the data and wrote the meaningless stats creating hysteria about getting the vaccine that's the best.
Not really, if you distill the numbers they don't change people just say they mean different things. Get enough info from many sources and see what aligns without putting your desires into the equation.
it will be interesting to see how supply meets demand. Yes we have MANY MANY more vaccines, and obviously it won't be as stressful as the first time, but with everyone rushing out to get a third shot, I wonder what it will look like."The Biden administration has decided that most Americans should get a coronavirus booster shot eight months after they completed their initial vaccination, and could begin offering the extra shots as early as mid-September, according to two administration officials familiar with the discussions.
Officials are planning to announce the administration’s decision as early as this week. Their goal is to let Americans know now that they will need additional protection against the Delta variant that is causing surging caseloads across the nation.
The first boosters are likely to go to nursing home residents and health care workers, followed by other older people who were near the front of the line when vaccinations began late last year. Officials envision giving people the same vaccine they originally received.
Among other worrisome signals, Biden administration officials are particularly concerned about data from Israel suggesting that the Pfizer-BioNTech’s protection against severe disease has fallen significantly for elderly people who were vaccinated in January or February.
Some administration officials have viewed Israel as a kind of template for the United States because it started vaccinating its population sooner. Israel has almost exclusively used the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and it has a nationalized health care system that allows it to systematically track patients.
The latest data from Israel, posted on the government’s website on Monday, shows what some experts describe as continued erosion of the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine over time — both against mild or asymptomatic Covid-19 infections in general and against severe disease among the elderly."
U.S. to Advise Boosters for Most Americans 8 Months After Vaccination
Nursing home residents and health care workers will most likely be the first to get booster shots, as soon as September, followed by other older people who were vaccinated last winter.www.nytimes.com
I'm 31 years old, am I get a booster vaccine or not too soon?"The Biden administration has decided that most Americans should get a coronavirus booster shot eight months after they completed their initial vaccination, and could begin offering the extra shots as early as mid-September, according to two administration officials familiar with the discussions.
Officials are planning to announce the administration’s decision as early as this week. Their goal is to let Americans know now that they will need additional protection against the Delta variant that is causing surging caseloads across the nation.
The first boosters are likely to go to nursing home residents and health care workers, followed by other older people who were near the front of the line when vaccinations began late last year. Officials envision giving people the same vaccine they originally received.
Among other worrisome signals, Biden administration officials are particularly concerned about data from Israel suggesting that the Pfizer-BioNTech’s protection against severe disease has fallen significantly for elderly people who were vaccinated in January or February.
Some administration officials have viewed Israel as a kind of template for the United States because it started vaccinating its population sooner. Israel has almost exclusively used the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, and it has a nationalized health care system that allows it to systematically track patients.
The latest data from Israel, posted on the government’s website on Monday, shows what some experts describe as continued erosion of the efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine over time — both against mild or asymptomatic Covid-19 infections in general and against severe disease among the elderly."
U.S. to Advise Boosters for Most Americans 8 Months After Vaccination
Nursing home residents and health care workers will most likely be the first to get booster shots, as soon as September, followed by other older people who were vaccinated last winter.
Remember when the vaccine was rolled out? Nursing homes, elderly and at risk first? The "booster" will be the same so it takes time. At 31 it will be later this year.
This is going to get interesting..... are people going to be expected to get a shot every 6 months?
OK by me til we kill it, some get a shot daily or more
I thought it was never going away?
Agreed. It’s more like 9+ months apart since they said 8 months from once you completed the original doses. I get a flu shot every year this isn’t much different.
I have always kept my internals bathed in your antiseptic and it has seemed to reduce the ling infections but it does have some side effects.....
Yes. My thoughts exactly.
I believe you are correct about that and their cases are staying low. It’s hard to guess why, though, bc they have such a high vaccine uptake.
100%. At that level of booster frequency, it's no longer what people think of as a vaccine.
There's already an issue with people getting the second shot of the two dose vaccines. Adding boosters will be a bigger issue.
