Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[SammyMF]

The problem is, their choice impacts others who have made the right choice, or for one reason or another have no choice.

That is very true. It impacts myself just as much as others. Which is why its a very cynical statement not any kind of reasonable one. Unfortunately, cynicism seems to be less recognized or acceptable these days.

Think of George Carlin. He was as cynical as they get. One of his best riffs was about him never voting. The usual response is that those that dont vote dont have anything to complain about. However in his view that is backwards. In his view, its the voters who keep nominating idiot candidates, both parties, and putting them into office that have nothing to complain about. Everything that happens is on them. The question is... as a non-partisan was he wrong?

 

[mmascari]

What was the natural dose?
Was it mild or severe?
Did it really happen or just assume it was COVID and not something else?
Was that dose studied to understand if it was sufficient?
Was the variant of infection enough to elicit a broad response to other variants?

I don’t doubt some natural infections are good enough. But there are a lot of variables to just assume they’re all good. Getting the vaccine gives someone a controlled and standard dose with it’s studied response.

We don’t base policy on “might be good enough”, but on known responses.

 

[GoofGoof]

It is interesting that the flu vaccine has never been a requirement for public schools, even though there are schools here and there that have had to temp close for flu. As far as I know anyways. Although it does lead to deaths, maybe because it’s not the killer that the other illnesses are? Perhaps someone knows.

Changing topics a little but both Pfizer and Moderna are working on combo mRNA vaccines that will cover both season flu, covid and in the case of Moderna one other virus. The thought is that if we need an annual covid booster they would put it into the flu shot. I don’t know if it will be required by schools but maybe. It’s probably not a bad idea. Lots of school days missed unnecessarily and who knows how much productivity lost with parents staying home with sick kids or getting sick themselves and infecting co-workers.

Moderna recommends third shot of vaccine to defend against new coronavirus strains

Moderna said Thursday that people will likely need a COVID-19 vaccine booster dose to protect against future mutations of the coronavirus, touting the “robust” antibody response generated by the additional shot.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Lilofan]

That is very true. It impacts myself just as much as others. Which is why its a very cynical statement not any kind of reasonable one. Unfortunately, cynicism seems to be less recognized or acceptable these days.

Think of George Carlin. He was as cynical as they get. One of his best riffs was about him never voting. The usual response is that those that dont vote dont have anything to complain about. However in his view that is backwards. In his view, its the voters who keep nominating idiot candidates, both parties, and putting them into office that have nothing to complain about. Everything that happens is on them. The question is... as a non-partisan was he wrong?

Whatever drugs the late George Carlin was on, he did make some sense in his stand up.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Perhaps not, but that's hardly a justification for mirroring their behaviour.


"Frustrated resignation" is not the only logical choice, and it certainly isn't a solution. It achieves nothing except sowing further discord.

As for my solution, I'll defer to the experts:

Vaccine Hesitancy: Talking to Service Members About COVID-19 Vaccines - From the Green Notebook

fromthegreennotebook.com

Persuasion can convince some folks on the margins, yes. But as experience and polls have shown, their is a significant and entrenched core of refusers who reject persuasion. This article doesn’t seem to make any claims for the efficacy of its approach, nor does it reckon with the loud, prominent voices urging refusal or doubt as a sign of loyalty to other ideals or hatred of particular groups of enemies.

How many times do we have to hear “it only kills the fat, old, and weak,” implicitly devaluing millions of lives, before we realize many antivaxxers are not coming from a place of decency? How long do we engage in gentle persuasion while more and more people die?

 

[Virtual Toad]

One more.

 

[disneygeek90]

I get it every year since I had kids. And they get it every year. I have no idea if I got it every year as a child. Hah

I never got the vaccine as a young adult, and then I got the flu about 6 years ago. It was terrible and then it led to an even worse ear infection that made me unable to hear out of one ear for weeks.

After I went through that, I get the flu shot every year. I don’t want to experience that again if I can help prevent it. I have no idea why that mindset isn’t the case for many that have gotten covid.

 

[SammyMF]

How many times do we have to hear “it only kills the fat, old, and weak,” implicitly devaluing millions of lives, before we realize many antivaxxers are not coming from a place of decency? How long do we engage in gentle persuasion while more and more people die?

If someone said that it only killed the fat, old and weak my only response would be 'not anymore'.

 

[Figgy1]

I don't have a furbaby currently but thought this was cute

 

[Timmay]

I didn’t think he was one of the arrivals you were referring to, since he’s posted nothing political.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

I am happy, however, to list my credentials of other forum posts on this site I’ve contributed to since 2003 that were not in the political forum.

 

[DisneyDave71]

 

[Jedijax719]

While there ARE some legit reasons for some not to get vaccines, here's what I think we see the most:

 

[Lilofan]

I am pretty sure I engaged in conversation with Timmay in a thread about the events surrounding Jan 6th.

I think you got the wrong forum member in mind.

 

[Timmay]

I think you got the wrong forum member in mind.

No, I engaged in those conversations I admit. But a lot of us did.

 

[DisneyFan32]

And once the FDA give their full approval on the vaccine you will see a lot more vaccination requirements from businesses which is going to be a very good thing.

Like NJ Transit, Amtrak?

 

[BrianLo]

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We know it's low. Sorry if I'm misinterpreting your post since you provided no commentary. But that still does not remain an argument to not do anything about COVID.

There are practical options we can use to help reduce the burden without significant implications on day to day life (ie. school mandated masking, social distancing and presumably eventually vaccination for kids). As a society with put mitigations in for all of those causes of death in the Pediatric population. Regardless if they are number one or number 10. COVID-19 is no different.

If there were suddenly a vaccination that could essentially prevent any child from suffocating to death, we can bet that would be heavily pushed as well.

 

[correcaminos]

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We vaccinate for chicken pox. More apples to apples with just kids...

 

[Flugell]

My son’s cat when he first heard thunder!
Could also be “You won’t get a vaccine but you have given me all mine and intend to have me neutered! What the heck’s going on?!”

 

[Flugell]

While there ARE some legit reasons for some not to get vaccines, here's what I think we see the most:
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Love for the Shiba Inu from mine.

 

[correcaminos]

My cat disapproving of those who refuse the vaccine