Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyDebRob]

The first shot was covered by my insurance, in full. I had a different policy when it was time for my second shot. My cost was over $100, I think around 130.

It’s $130 we’ll spent to avoid feeling like you’re being branded.

Weird how depending on what back room deals were made, what insurance companies will cover. My 2 shots were covered completely.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Never again. Disney would never admit it publicly but closing their doors in March of 2020 was a mistake of epic proportions. The economic carnage and the man hours required to get the parks back online were mind blowing. Right now Disney is doing the right thing and allowing consumers to decide for themselves if they feel comfortable attending or not. This isn’t China… we have freedom to choose for ourselves as do businesses.

In retrospect, we didn’t know how “not that bad yet” it was when we shut down in March.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I’m dreaming of a normal Christmas…if all these jerks would just get shots…

 

[DonniePeverley]

How so? India has had roughly 31.9M covid cases and just shy of 1.37B people.

Florida has 2.73M cases and only 21.48M total.

If you are looking at total cases, that's kind of impossible. If you are looking per capita, that ship sailed ages ago. If you're going to try to shame and scare people, might actually look at real numbers before talking.

DAILY COVID CASES.

 

[DonniePeverley]

How is the vaccine uptake in the past few weeks ... any major sort of increase?

 

[LittleBuford]

This isn’t China… we have freedom to choose for ourselves as do businesses.

Why does everyone reach for countries like China and Iran in an attempt to present a “bad” counterpart to the American approach? Sweden—yes, the same Sweden that those who opposed lockdowns were invoking last year as a model of freedom—kept all of its theme parks closed until June of this year. There’s nothing remotely oppressive or dictatorial about responding to a public health emergency.

 

[CLEtoWDW]

DAILY COVID CASES.

Three short months ago India was having over 300k cases a day. Since then their curve has dropped (as it always does with viruses). So to compare Florida to India is beyond absurd.

 

[CLEtoWDW]

Why does everyone reach for countries like China and Iran in an attempt to present a “bad” counterpart to the American approach? Sweden—yes, the same Sweden that those who opposed lockdowns were invoking last year as a model of freedom—kept all of its theme parks closed until June of this year. There’s nothing remotely oppressive or dictatorial about responding to a public health emergency.

It was a “public health emergency” in 2020 before anyone was vaccinated. Now, it’s only a dangerous pandemic for those that have chosen to not get vaccinated. Therefore, zero point in closing the parks as the vaccinated are taken the proper precautions and can attend the parks safely.

 

[DCBaker]

"Florida has broken another record for COVID cases in a 24-hour period, another grim benchmark of the highly contagious delta variant.

On Saturday, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 23,903 new COVID-19 cases for Friday. The day before was another record-breaker: 22,783 new novel coronavirus cases.

Saturday’s data amounts to the highest single-day case count since the pandemic began last year as the state continues record-breaking hospitalizations for the sixth straight day in a row

On Saturday, the state recorded 13,747 hospitalizations related to COVID, with 2,750 patients in intensive care units statewide.

On Saturday, the state also reported 93 new deaths, a day after reporting 199."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253335513.html

 

[LittleBuford]

Now, it’s only a dangerous pandemic for those that have chosen to not get vaccinated.

This isn’t true, for multiple reasons that have already been discussed.

 

[correcaminos]

DAILY COVID CASES.

Rude much with yelling? Wasn't me who was unclear. Comparing a county on the downturn to a state is well... ummm... okay?

Look I'm all about being serious with covid but this chicken little bit is getting old.

 

[correcaminos]

Why does everyone reach for countries like China and Iran in an attempt to present a “bad” counterpart to the American approach? Sweden—yes, the same Sweden that those who opposed lockdowns were invoking last year as a model of freedom—kept all of its theme parks closed until June of this year. There’s nothing remotely oppressive or dictatorial about responding to a public health emergency.

Sweden also has a disproportionate number of foreign born citizens without a job right now. No one is perfect. Not all countries take care of their citizens financially during a crisis.

 

[LittleBuford]

Sweden also has a disproportionate number of foreign born citizens without a job right now. No one is perfect. Not all countries take care of their citizens financially during a crisis.

I realise that closures mean loss of jobs, which is the only part in all this that leaves me conflicted. But I would be lying to myself if I pretended I didn’t find it baffling and, well, irresponsible that theme parks are up and running in the context of what’s happening right now. Anyone who knows my posting history knows I’m a Pixie Duster and Disney apologist, so I’m not saying any of this with a view to simply bashing the company for the sake of it.

 

[DonniePeverley]

Three short months ago India was having over 300k cases a day. Since then their curve has dropped (as it always does with viruses). So to compare Florida to India is beyond absurd.

Why is it ALWAYS absurd to make comparisons, to view data and see who is doing rite and who is going wrong?

The fact remains, India's population 1.4 billion people has less covid cases than 20 million people in Florida.

The idea that Florida will just see a downward curve soon is more hope than based on any fact.

 

[DonniePeverley]

Sweden also has a disproportionate number of foreign born citizens without a job right now. No one is perfect. Not all countries take care of their citizens financially during a crisis.

Utter nonsense. All this myth that Sweden never went through a lockdown is mythical too. They needlessly wrecked their economy compared to their neighbours, and had a far worst outcome.

 

[correcaminos]

I realise that closures mean loss of jobs, which is the only part in all this that leaves me conflicted. But I would be lying to myself if I pretended I didn’t find it baffling and, well, irresponsible for theme parks to be up and running in the context of what’s happening right now. Anyone who knows my posting history knows I’m a Disney apologist for the most part, so I’m not saying any of this with a view to simply bash the company for the sake of it.

Knowing full well that the people who struggle during the pandemic most financially are also disproportionately hit in other ways by the pandemic, I am no where near as baffled as you are. I understand you live here, but I think your mentality does leave out that the ones hurt the most with jobs you are asking to cut are the ones who are hospitalized and dying disproportionately otherwise. There will be no winning at all if we close again no matter how you look at it. We failed the first time, we cannot try a second knowing it will fail again.

What you find irresponsible is actually baffling to me. It's now irresponsible to not vaccinate. Disney is mandating it of employees. They are not being irresponsible. 18 months ago I'd be on your side. No longer here....

 

[correcaminos]

Why is it ALWAYS absurd to make comparisons, to view data and see who is doing rite and who is going wrong?

The fact remains, India's population 1.4 billion people has less covid cases than 20 million people in Florida.

The idea that Florida will just see a downward curve soon is more hope than based on any fact.

They are on the low end of their spike. Florida is not. Compare apples to apples not what you are doing. Your predictions are based on fear, not reality more often than not too. Florida spike ending is based on what we saw in India.

 

[LittleBuford]

I understand you live here, but I think your mentality does leave out that the ones hurt the most with jobs you are asking to cut are the ones who are hospitalized and dying disproportionately otherwise.

I don't even understand what this means. People have lost their jobs because of closures the world over. The (ethnic minority) community to which I belong in the UK is disproportionately unvaccinated.

And please let's be fair when quoting and paraphrasing each other. I am not "asking" for anyone's job to be cut.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Three short months ago India was having over 300k cases a day. Since then their curve has dropped (as it always does with viruses). So to compare Florida to India is beyond absurd.

You realize the curve dropped because so many people died or suffered through Covid first, right? What a “win.”

India had no vaccines yet. Half of us do. We also have a much smaller population. Other than that, the same variant is spreading like wildfire here just like it did there - wherever there is opportunity. Nothing absurd about that comparison. We should have learned from India before it went crazy here. Some of us did.

 

[Mizner92]

Knowing full well that the people who struggle during the pandemic most financially are also disproportionately hit in other ways by the pandemic, I am no where near as baffled as you are. I understand you live here, but I think your mentality does leave out that the ones hurt the most with jobs you are asking to cut are the ones who are hospitalized and dying disproportionately otherwise. There will be no winning at all if we close again no matter how you look at it. We failed the first time, we cannot try a second knowing it will fail again.

What you find irresponsible is actually baffling to me. It's now irresponsible to not vaccinate. Disney is mandating it of employees. They are not being irresponsible. 18 months ago I'd be on your side. No longer here....

100% agree. Well said.