Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyFan32]

I am sure they will have an uptick eventually, especially as they go back to full capacity everyone and people travel more. Their higher vaccination rate by then SHOULD be helpful though.

Yeah no more big problems for Midwest and Northeast anymore!

 

[mmascari]

It's not like places like NY have that much higher share of the population vaccinated than Florida.

Are they really close?

Like a percent or less than two percent off?

Or, do they only feel close, somewhere in the five to ten percent difference?

Which is the problem with using percentages to measure them. We've taken the entire world of measurement and created 100 or maybe 1000 buckets to use. Then, we can say something that's within 5 or 50 of another is "close, about the same".

But, since the sample size is so large, the entire population, they're not anywhere near each other at all.

 

[Patcheslee]

Only if the law was changed so you can't file bankruptcy to get rid of it or qualify for any government assistance until you paid your bills.

Little bit misleading though to assume that would fix things. I had 2 nieces BRAG about not having medical debt and how the state paid for their multiple pregnancies and births, while I was stuck with $30k in medical debt after insurance paid for have 1 kid. It would hurt the people with jobs that try to pay and can't because sometimes life just sucks. I would still be living in an abusive home

 

[Lilofan]

Last I checked Lambeau has a capacity of 81,000 and a 30 year waitlist for tickets. Green Bay is much smaller then Jacksonville. Arrowhead (Kansas City,) Bank of America (Carolina,) Highmark (Buffalo,) and Heinz Field (Pittsburgh) all have a larger capacity, are small market, and for the most part sell out as well. There just isn’t the bond between team and city in Jacksonville like other towns.

Jacksonville and the Jags were never a to right fit hence the tarps to cover the upper bowl. The game that attracted a lot of fans was when Brady and the Pats came to town . It is sad when the Jags play at home on national TV and looking at the rows of empty seats in the lower bowl. There is always that rumor of the Jags moving to London where their billionaire owner is based even though he currently denies it. Green Bay looks like the most passionate city for NFL football not so in Jacksonville.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Canada should probably wait to gloat until the winter. This virus is seasonal, that goes for the Midwest and Northeast too.

Nah, the Midwest and Northeast will be fine for now, no more big problems here anymore.

 

[DisneyCane]

Are they really close?

Like a percent or less than two percent off?

Or, do they only feel close, somewhere in the five to ten percent difference?

Which is the problem with using percentages to measure them. We've taken the entire world of measurement and created 100 or maybe 1000 buckets to use. Then, we can say something that's within 5 or 50 of another is "close, about the same".

But, since the sample size is so large, the entire population, they're not anywhere near each other at all.

According to the CDC data, NY is 62.6% of the population with at least one shot and FL is 56.9%. My point was that NY is not utilizing vaccine passports to incentivize more vaccination but they are not that much closer to the necessary level than FL is. It was in response to the person saying that FL kicked an own goal by outlawing vaccine passports. Where they are legal, arguably needed and governed by people more inclined to implement that kind of thing, they aren't being implemented either.

 

[DisneyCane]

Little bit misleading though to assume that would fix things. I had 2 nieces BRAG about not having medical debt and how the state paid for their multiple pregnancies and births, while I was stuck with $30k in medical debt after insurance paid for have 1 kid. It would hurt the people with jobs that try to pay and can't because sometimes life just sucks. I would still be living in an abusive home

I wasn't saying to do that for everybody. I was saying for people who weren't vaccinated and ended up with medical bills for COVID treatment.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

According to the CDC data, NY is 62.6% of the population with at least one shot and FL is 56.9%. My point was that NY is not utilizing vaccine passports to incentivize more vaccination but they are not that much closer to the necessary level than FL is. It was in response to the person saying that FL kicked an own goal by outlawing vaccine passports. Where they are legal, arguably needed and governed by people more inclined to implement that kind of thing, they aren't being implemented either.

Because unless it's a nationwide effort, it's useless.

 

[DisneyFan32]

I don't want to wear mask indoors now....I'm not ready again.....

 

[CJR]

Because unless it's a nationwide effort, it's useless.

Honest question, why do you think it's useless?

Personally, I believe if it pushes people to get vaccinated, I think it's rather useful. Especially when people want to travel to those places, from places that do not require them.

 

[Chi84]

Some places in Illinois are requiring proof of a negative COVID test to enter, but they will waive the requirement for those who present proof of vaccination. Has anyone researched whether this type of thing would be permissible in Florida? Entry is not conditioned on proof of vaccination in that scenario.

 

[KrzyKtty]

I don't want to wear mask indoors now....I'm not ready again.....

Then don't. He said strongly recommended, not mandated

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Honest question, why do you think it's useless?

Personally, I believe if it pushes people to get vaccinated, I think it's rather useful. Especially when people want to travel to those places, from places that do not require them.

Because we can't monitor inter-state travel well enough, and because most spread has been occurring in homes (at least here). I don't disagree that we'd probably see a slight uptick in vaccinations, I just don't think it will be nearly enough...especially after some of the comments I saw last night from people who very obviously aren't getting vaccinated.

 

[ABQ]

I don't want to wear mask indoors now....I'm not ready again.....

His statement is too vague. He cannot give people an out by saying "when there's increased risk" The guidance needs to be specific.

 

[Jrb1979]

Canada should probably wait to gloat until the winter. This virus is seasonal, that goes for the Midwest and Northeast too.

I expect a spike come winter, just not that big of one due to having a high percentage vaccinated. I'm not gloating, I'm just trying to say it shouldn't be this hard to get people vaccinated. I'm very disappointed in how it's gone. For a country that had access to vaccines before most of the world to have such a low vaccination rate is disappointing.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I expect a spike come winter, just not that big of one due to having a high percentage vaccinated. I'm not gloating, I'm just trying to say it shouldn't be this hard to get people vaccinated. I'm very disappointed in how it's gone. For a country that had access to vaccines before most of the world to have such a low vaccination rate is disappointing.

MASSIVELY disappointing. Those spreading misinformation and fear mongering should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[chrisvee]

His statement is too vague. He cannot give people an out by saying "when there's increased risk" The guidance needs to be specific.

He gave four very specific instructions of when increased risk is present. He said he reserves the right to mandate if people don’t follow the guidance and the numbers rise.

I don’t see lack of specificity here. Is it because he’s allowing judgment rather than mandating?

 

[DisneyFan32]

I expect a spike come winter, just not that big of one due to having a high percentage vaccinated. I'm not gloating, I'm just trying to say it shouldn't be this hard to get people vaccinated. I'm very disappointed in how it's gone. For a country that had access to vaccines before most of the world to have such a low vaccination rate is disappointing.

They NEED to vaccine mandate by this fall/winter. Once FDA approval vaccines by end of next month we are set to go on final battle on the pandemic as like Avengers Endgame. The unvaccinated people I mean millions of them needs to get vaccinated very fast before the virus will mutating even worse soon to end vaccines as like end of the world. Once this is ending of the pandemic as end of the doomsday project is done by Christmas. We will celebrating more victory like WWII!

 

[DisneyCane]

Just to put a little perspective out there. According to the CDC, FL has had 407.3 cases per 100k total in the last seven days. Infected people are thought to be contagious for less than a week (IIRC it was thought to be 4-5 days). If we triple the cases per 100k to account for undetected cases we get to 1,221.9. This is the maximum number that are out and about and contagious currently. That translates to a 1.22% chance that the random stranger you come into contact with is contagious. Said the opposite way, there's a 98.78% chance they aren't contagious.

If you come into contact with 100 random people, there is at least an 80% chance that none of them are contagious.

Obviously, some people will come into contact with contagious people and get infected but in most situations on a normal day for most people, the risk is low.

This analysis is based on FL which is having a large spike in cases right now. It will be even lower risk in most other places.

 

[ABQ]

He gave four very specific instructions of when increased risk is present. He said he reserves the right to mandate if people don’t follow the guidance and the numbers rise.

I don’t see lack of specificity here. Is it because he’s allowing judgment rather than mandating?

I think the allowance of one to make their own judgement in this matter is detrimental to his goal.