Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[UNCgolf]

I don’t know why this keeps being repeated when we all know that what is happening is NOT ‘letting people continue to live their normal lives’, nor is that being advocated by myself or anyone else that I know of.
Please read the things I actually said.

You are advocating that, at least to a certain extent.

You say you're not, but if you want to leave non-essential businesses open, that's what you're advocating. Because that means their employees go in to work, and it also means that whoever is hiring them, shopping there, etc. is also still interacting with them. I don't know how you don't see that.

 

[DisneyCane]

Top New Jersey health official Judith Persichilli says everyone will get coronavirus

New Jersey’s top public health official says everyone, including her, will eventually contract the coronavirus. “I’m definitely going to get it. We all are,” Judith Persichilli told NJ.com. “…

nypost.com

Statements like this are dumb. If true even with these measures in place then stop this insanity and "let it rip" as Dr. Fauci said.

If the current insanity does "flatten the curve" then her statement becomes untrue. If you held it to 10 million infections per month, the vaccine will be ready by the time around half of the USA got it.

 

[The Mom]

If people would use common sense and self-isolate when they're sick, these measures wouldn't be necessary. But, because people... there you go.

Sick staff members contributed to 30 COVID-19 deaths at Washington nursing home: CDC report

Staff members who worked while sick at multiple long-term care facilities contributed to the spread of COVID-19 among vulnerable elderly in the Seattle area, federal health officials said Wednesday…

ktla.com

The same is true about 4 deaths in the Miami area - sick workers who came on site anyway.

I hope that this pandemic causes businesses to take a second look at providing sick days off with pay. Many people go into work because they don't have sick pay, and can't afford to take time off. We're seeing the results of many businesses being "penny wise and pound foolish."

 

[DisneyCane]

Ugh... take this kind of 'analysis' and throw it in the dumpster.

The idea that something can be manipulated into a talking point against you does not mean it's motivation for making the change. Logic Fail 101.

Politicians didn't want to incite panics... and also knew making these calls would put their economies in tail spins. It had to be some of the hardest choices politicians had to make because it's a move of CAUTION instead of response... meaning you're moving before the worst hits and even if you were RIGHT, because the pain wasn't felt, people will still never give up nitpicking the decisions. What you avoided is always harder to convince people of vs what they actually experienced.

If anything people were just hoping they could do little and it would blow over... No one is blowing up their entire economic model out of fear of election ads.

Stop reading/listening to whatever trash is polluting your mind.

This opinion comes from my own mind. You can disagree but I've spent enough of my life observing politicians to strongly believe it is true.

 

[Giss Neric]

What are y'all have been doing this past week? Are you doing anything productive at home? Do you guys just watch the news constantly?

Since gyms are closed, I have been working out more at home so I can eat more without the guilt of gaining weight.

 

[larryz]

ok first of all NOT gonna read all 424 pages to comment on;
"PHOTOS - All Walt Disney World transportation services now suspended"
and "All Walt Disney World transportation is now suspended from the morning of Wednesday March 18 2020 through the end of the month. "
so now onto my comment. What does this mean for the poor saps now STUCK at each resort hotel that has a upcoming check-out date and a possible flight? I mean these people took the 'Magical Transportation' from the airport to their resorts and everyday there are people that are checking out. And what of those that are landing at the airport expecting this transportation to the resorts because there is that no refund policy of Disney's (which is a complete BS in my opinion)

The resorts closed Friday....

If you had read all 424 pages, you'd have known that.

 

[thomas998]

If we are being completely honest, there is a huge political motivation behind the shutdowns. It doesn't matter which elected official or what party they are in any incumbent knows that if they don't do these things it will be used against them in the next election.

There will be commercials like "Governor X doesn't care about you. He stood by and let 10,000 Xidians die because the millionaire donors wanted their businesses to stay open."

The same motivation exists in authorization countries. The dictators don't want to sow the seeds of revolution by not taking care of their people.

The economy can be artificially propped up afterwards by governments borrowing and printing money. The death toll can not be turned back like an odometer.

Yep.

If you looked at it in a very cold logical way you would probably find that the best solution from a lives saved standpoint would be to ignore the virus completely and hope everyone gets infected together. Yes you overrun the hospitals with maybe a push of 15% of the people needing but not being able to get medical treatment... and a large number of them would die. But since the virus doesn't provide life long immunity when you get it, and there is no guarantee that we will ever have a vaccine for it... well doing a slow role like we are doing may bring the death rate down to 1.5%.... but if the people continually face the virus year after year after year because your immunity never lasts more than 3 to 9 months... Well over time you'll actually lose more people than if you just pushed to get everyone infected so the virus was burned out and gone because after 12 years you have had as many die as you would in one group catastrophe.

But you would never see any politician pushing that theory because it would be political suicide.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Yep.

If you looked at it in a very cold logical way you would probably find that the best solution from a lives saved standpoint would be to ignore the virus completely and hope everyone gets infected together. Yes you overrun the hospitals with maybe a push of 15% of the people needing but not being able to get medical treatment... and a large number of them would die. But since the virus doesn't provide life long immunity when you get it, and there is no guarantee that we will ever have a vaccine for it... well doing a slow role like we are doing may bring the death rate down to 1.5%.... but if the people continually face the virus year after year after year because your immunity never lasts more than 3 to 9 months... Well over time you'll actually lose more people than if you just pushed to get everyone infected so the virus was burned out and gone because after 12 years you have had as many die as you would in one group catastrophe.

But you would never see any politician pushing that theory because it would be political suicide.

Easy for you to say from your Golden Oak mansion!

 

[HongKongFooy]

I've worked from home for the last 10 years and live alone. All days ARE the same

When I wrote that all days of the week suddenly became interchangeable I was thinking so much bigger than work schedules and working at home, but I hear ya.

Under quasi house arrest all days are more or less the same:

No Friday night outing at Hooters

No Saturday 9am 3 year old ballet and tap dance for the daughter at the local studio

No Sunday 10 am gatherings at St. Micheal's to witness "altar ego" and confess to Friday night's ogling of a Hooter server.

No Tues evening AA meetings to tell the group about a relapse from last Fri night at Hooters

No Wednesday early am laying in bed feeling lethargic and pitiful about an empty life only to be yelled at from 2 rooms away by Wife "you're gonna be late for work; get your _ss outa bed, NOW"

Ya, life sucks now!

 

[larryz]

A lab? To get an "average" distance of 40 meters they'd have to be testing in a warehouse...

I think that number is just flat out wrong.

Have you never watched Mythbusters?

 

[Giss Neric]

See the articles on th woman doing the toilet seat Coronavirus challenge? Unreal. Disgusting. Can find it if you want but not posting link to it here.
This is what we are up against. Looking for likes and attention. Like the tide pod challenge. Our young people must start getting a grip.

These kids are bored and craves attention. It's not just the toilet bowl. The challenge is to lick surfaces like door knobs etc.

 

[21stamps]

By keeping non-essential businesses open, you're keeping more people out in public. More people out in public equals faster spread.

Thus the debate and differing opinions from different Governors across the country. Can they reduce the risk enough by allowing some of the population to still go to work, some businesses remaining open, and implement enough procedural precautions to limit the spread., That’s what every mayor and governor is deciding right now.
No one knows what the correct answer is, only time will tell.

All risks have to be weighed.. As I stated in a previous comment- they are trying to find the balance between health of citizens, and their economical health as well- at least preserving as much as possible while trying to limit the spread.

My biggest worry is that we'll have to go into lock-down mode, where you can be arrested for being in public when you don't need to be (like Italy).

This isn’t going to happen here.

That's what you aren't grasping though

I am fully grasping the wide ranging effects of this situation. I fully realize that if all non essential business shut down, that many won’t reopen, and the ones who do will be forced to lay people off.
I have been in meetings for the past week where we have discussed layoffs. Where we know that if we close we will not be the same when reopen. I don’t want to be given a mandated number and told to chose who I need to let go. I understand that not everyone is thinking about these things, but they exist, the conversations are going on... and most of us realize that the government isn’t going to be able to bail everyone out.
All non-essential businesses may end up shutting down, they may not... what I was explaining is why not all governors are doing it.. why they are waiting.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I haven't read the 426 pages in here, I will just drop my perspective as someone who has the virus (for 10days now)

I'm 28, generally live a healthy life, am in good shape and exercise from time to time. I have an asthma history, and have smoked in the past.
The worst part is really the pain in the lungs, and finding yourself out of breath for no apparent reason. If you have questions, feel free to ask.

UGH. I'm really sorry you're going through this and hope you're back to 100% quickly. Early symptoms, the order they came, etc. would be nice to know.

Except creatures of habbit, the retired always seem to like to shop or drive during morning or afternoon rush anyway.

My step-dad falls into that category - food shopping at 7am without fail. He's normally a pretty nice guy, but when he brags about getting into the passing lane and doing 55 so no one can get around him on PURPOSE, I want to throat-punch him.

If the parks reopen in, say, early May, are we looking at shortened hours or other operational modifications? Or will it be fully back to normal to all intents and purposes?
(I'm aware no one here knows for sure, but I wanted to see what people's opinions/thoughts/predictions are. Apologies if this was discussed recently, I'm coming into this thread blind.)

Pay close attention to what's happening in the parks in Asia. They're slowly starting to re-open. If memory serves, Shanghai is opening a few shops and restaurants with lesser-than-normal capacity and social distancing rules still in place.

 

[Parker in NYC]

When I wrote that all days of the week suddenly became interchangeable I was thinking so much bigger than work schedules and working at home, but I hear ya.

Under quasi house arrest all days are more or less the same:

No Friday night outing at Hooters

No Saturday 9am 3 year old ballet and tap dance for the daughter at the local studio

No Sunday 10 am gatherings at St. Micheal's to witness "altar ego" and confess to Friday night's ogling of a Hooter server.

No Tues evening AA meetings to tell the group about a relapse from last Fri night at Hooters

No Wednesday early am laying in bed feeling lethargic and pitiful about an empty life only to be yelled at from 2 rooms away by Wife "you're gonna be late for work; get your _ss outa bed, NOW"

Ya, life sucks now!

In sum, Hooters. I’ve never been but it’s one of those places I should check off my list once this ordeal ends.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

These kids are bored and craves attention. It's not just the toilet bowl. The challenge is to lick surfaces like door knobs etc.

To the detriment of us all.

 

[The Mom]

What are y'all have been doing this past week? Are you doing anything productive at home? Do you guys just watch the news constantly?

Since gyms are closed, I have been working out more at home so I can eat more without the guilt of gaining weight.

I've relaid multiple brick flower bed borders, repainted all of my wrought iron furniture, and relaid a couple of brick seating areas. Planted and repainted stuff. It's a good thing I stocked up on most of the supplies a few weeks ago - just waiting until I had time - and inclination - to do yard work.

Next I'll tackle the fountain - give it a good cleaning- and thin out the cast iron plants. Time to feed the citrus trees, and generally do lots of weeding. I have enough to keep me busy for weeks!

 

[disneygeek90]

What are y'all have been doing this past week? Are you doing anything productive at home? Do you guys just watch the news constantly?

Since gyms are closed, I have been working out more at home so I can eat more without the guilt of gaining weight.

I was following this pretty closely last weekend and into early this week, but the incredible jump in cases and seeing the long term economical impact now has just stressed me out. I'm trying to stay clear of the news as much as I can as the "worst case scenario" articles aren't doing anything productive and neither are the spring breakers out and about on the beaches. At the end of the day, I can only social distance myself and hope for the best.

 

[thomas998]

Statements like this are dumb. If true even with these measures in place then stop this insanity and "let it rip" as Dr. Fauci said.

If the current insanity does "flatten the curve" then her statement becomes untrue. If you held it to 10 million infections per month, the vaccine will be ready by the time around half of the USA got it.

You are of course assuming that a vaccination is found. How many years have they looking for a vaccine for HIV or the SAR virus and not found one... how long did it take to find a vaccine for polio... Vaccines are not as simple as splintering off a few bits of an RNA from a virus and presto instant vaccine. You have to come up with something that triggers just enough of the person's immune system to be successful... too little and it doesn't work, too much and you end up killing the person. While I hope they can find a vaccine in the next year, I would not be surprised if they couldn't find one in the next 20 years.

After the initial shock passes most government will likely move back to a business as usual mindset and accept that every year they are going to have a small percentage of the people die from it. China opened up Pandora box and there is probably no way to put the monster back in.

 

[celluloid]

I believe Shanghai Disneyland and Hong Kong will be the last to reopen their parks. Not just from the epicenter of disease sense, but authoritarian government and economic buiness sense. They were a bit of a money pit for the company prior to this so it will not be a priority compared to WDW, DL, DLP and Aluni.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

What are y'all have been doing this past week? Are you doing anything productive at home? Do you guys just watch the news constantly?

Since gyms are closed, I have been working out more at home so I can eat more without the guilt of gaining weight.

Wanted to do more work in the house but seems this 1500 piece jigsaw puzzle and a Star Trek marathon are getting in my way.