Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Yes, and people are complaining that all should go to it.

Guys, let’s really think about this.. without any fluff.. We have taken many precautions.. no one is living life as normal, many businesses are closed, or employees working from home, or restaurants being take out or delivery only.. people are (supposed) to be practicing social distancing, many are... We all can acknowledge this, honestly, without pretending like it isn’t happening.
We are in a stage right now where governors and mayors are trying to make the best decision for the health of their people (and this country) and the livelihoods of their people.

We will see what happens., but we can not be so naive to think it’s as simple as “just shut everything down all across the USA!”

I hear what you are saying, but the problem is we (and other countries) tried that and it didn’t work. It‘s not like when the first case hit the US things went immediately to lock downs. We were first told to practice social distancing, wash your hands, use hand sanitizer. My office put out signs and extra Clorox wipes and hand sanitizer stations and many other did too. It didn’t work. The disease spread out of control. We then tried just large public gatherings but that wasn’t enough. Italy and China tried the same approach, also failed. There’s no reason to assume everyone can just continue to go to work and restaurants and bars and theme parks and as long as they wash their hands and practice proper social distancing the spread will slow enough to keep us from a healthcare crisis. I would love it if we could all just be a lot more careful and that would be enough but that doesn’t appear to be the case. Will the lock downs work? We will see.

 

[21stamps]

There’s no reason to assume everyone can just continue to go to work and restaurants and bars and theme parks

I never said this. This discussion isn’t going anywhere if you’re not reading what I said...which was definitely not what you stated here.
I said I do not want to see all non essential business close, in every one of my comments. I never said that restaurants and theme parks and all businesses should be open. I specifically stated that the ones who can practice the recommendations of in-office social distancing should remain open as long as possible, geographically dependent, so we don’t see even more of an economic crisis than we’re already facing.
Those are the words contained in all of my posts, I do hope you go back and read them, as you have gigantically mIsunderstood my position.
That’s all I have to say about that subject now.

 

[larryz]

The fine might not deter some, but the 60 days in jail likely would.

Where's Sheriff Joe and his pink-pants camps when we need them?

 

[DisneyDebRob]

 

[Josh Hendy]

No-one is disputing the business links between Italy and China, but the idea that the virus was introduced by hordes of fleeing Wuhanese workers is completely unsubstantiated.

It's absolutely unsubstantiated. However, mainstream and supposedly respectable media explanations of why Italy became an utter train wreck are (a) hard to find, and (b) weak and unconvincing. For example, "patient zero in Lombardy only knew one person from China who tested negative" and, "Italians like to hug a lot".

I'm not deeply googling this I'm just saying what I've stumbled across. I would like to hear more definitive and trustworthy facts on this.

 

[The Mom]

And suddenly days of week have no meaning any more. Tuesdays equal Sundays and Sundays equal Fridays.

They're all interchangeable at this point.

Just like retirement - every day's a Saturday.

 

[celluloid]

Just like retirement - every day's a Saturday.

Except creatures of habbit, the retired always seem to like to shop or drive during morning or afternoon rush anyway.

 

[larryz]

The idea of being scanned for my temperature before rising public transit, going to a broadway show, etc. is just creepy to me.

If people would use common sense and self-isolate when they're sick, these measures wouldn't be necessary. But, because people... there you go.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

If people would use common sense and self-isolate when they're sick, these measures wouldn't be necessary. But, because people... there you go.

I think you may be on to something. Let's get rid of the people. Problem solved.

 

[DisneyCane]

Does anyone think the country,states,counties, cities,towns,neighborhoods actually WANT to do this shutdown and social distancing? Of course not! This is not a PC move or a social experiment. This is about flattening that curve.

The world is all about money. If the Coronavirus wasn’t a true threat to that we would have ignored it like the common cold.

This is wheat must be done now so eventually we can all can get back to work, play, making and spending money.

If we are being completely honest, there is a huge political motivation behind the shutdowns. It doesn't matter which elected official or what party they are in any incumbent knows that if they don't do these things it will be used against them in the next election.

There will be commercials like "Governor X doesn't care about you. He stood by and let 10,000 Xidians die because the millionaire donors wanted their businesses to stay open."

The same motivation exists in authorization countries. The dictators don't want to sow the seeds of revolution by not taking care of their people.

The economy can be artificially propped up afterwards by governments borrowing and printing money. The death toll can not be turned back like an odometer.

 

[GoofGoof]

Just like retirement - every day's a Saturday.

Well if this is what retirement is like I’m working forever . Actually after looking at my 401k I’m going to be working forever anyway

 

[The Mom]

Except creatures of habbit, the retired always seem to like to shop or drive during morning or afternoon rush anyway.

Source? Certainly not on a daily basis. The few times/year I've been forced to travel during rush hour since retirement are due to plane and doctor's schedules - sometimes I just can't get around it. Especially if I have to pick someone up at the airport. The same for my husband and pretty much every retired person I know. Sometimes it just seems like they're everywhere on the road.

And just a hint - after you retire and can go to the grocery whenever you please, find out when the local adult living centers have their shopping days where they bring van loads of people. Talk about a traffic jam in the aisles!

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Well if this is what retirement is like I’m working forever . Actually after looking at my 401k I’m going to be working forever anyway

Gonna be the buying opportunity of a lifetime. Just give it a little time.

 

[thomas998]

If people would use common sense and self-isolate when they're sick, these measures wouldn't be necessary. But, because people... there you go.

The real problem is that you can be contagious before the fever starts or after the fever has passed. So really banning someone from a bus might stop the ones that are at a highly contagious stage, but it won't stop the virus from spreading. Mass transportation of every kind needs to be shut down because anytime you have the masses on a bus, plane or train those passengers are going to be very close to each other and what Mr. Smith has 2 rows away is going to be paying Mr. Jones a visit in the air.

 

[Parker in NYC]

It’s very illuminating to go back to the first post of this thread on February 18 and follow the responses. Many relishing panic so they could have WDW all to themselves. Flu this and flu that. Don’t worry. It’s practically a case study proving why we’re in deep deep deep deep... snow.

 

[LittleBuford]

It's absolutely unsubstantiated. However, mainstream and supposedly respectable media explanations of why Italy became an utter train wreck are (a) hard to find, and (b) weak and unconvincing.

Perhaps because no-one knows. I don’t see what good it does to speculate in the absence of evidence. Another theory mentioned a few weeks ago in the Politics forum was that the virus was introduced to Italy by a Pakistani food delivery man. That turned out to be fake news. Misinformation is the last thing we need at this time.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Tell him to check what bills have passed in his state. I know Ohio has one going into action in April, where your employer must allow you to take time off for any reason related to COVID-19. Reasons can include- high risk, needing to care for family members, needing to care for children out of school, etc.
I’m not sure how many states have done this, but definitely look into it.

The requirements for unemployment here have been dramatically loosened and the wait period waived.

It's not.
That doesn't mean it won't get bad in other parts of the country (it probably will) but nowhere else in the US has the population density of NYC (and its metro area; some of it is in New Jersey). NYC is the perfect place for a virus like this to spread because so many people are packed into a relatively small area.
There are a few specific areas in places like LA and Boston that have pretty high population densities, but they're still nowhere near the density of basically all of NYC. I think San Francisco is the second highest population density city-wide and it's only about 60% of NYC's density.

You can tell that population density matters just by looking at a map. The past couple of years I've questioned our move away from the city...now, not so much.

I don’t think any person alive thinks anyone wants any of this to be happening right now, or attributed it to being a “pc move”. However, it is an experiment. - not in a negative way, but only because different places are trying different things to see what the outcome will be. And mostly, because so much is still an unknown.

I never said this. This discussion isn’t going anywhere if you’re not reading what I said...which was definitely not what you stated here.
I said I do not want to see all non essential business close, in every one of my comments. I never said that restaurants and theme parks and all businesses should be open. I specifically stated that the ones who can practice the recommendations of in-office social distancing should remain open as long as possible, geographically dependent, so we don’t see even more of an economic crisis than we’re already facing.
Those are the words contained in all of my posts, I do hope you go back and read them, as you have gigantically mIsunderstood my position.
That’s all I have to say about that subject now.

That's what you aren't grasping though. By keeping non-essential businesses open, you're keeping more people out in public. More people out in public equals faster spread. My biggest worry is that we'll have to go into lock-down mode, where you can be arrested for being in public when you don't need to be (like Italy). And I really, REALLY fear we're headed in that exact direction because people can't grasp that the longer we put off closing down and staying home, the longer the shut-down will have to remain in place. I live on a woodsy, but very busy road that is the only means of getting from our town to west of us without resorting to winding neighborhoods with tons of stop signs. I'm hearing MORE traffic throughout the day and during rush hour than I was before all this started.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

See the articles on th woman doing the toilet seat Coronavirus challenge? Unreal. Disgusting. Can find it if you want but not posting link to it here.
This is what we are up against. Looking for likes and attention. Like the tide pod challenge. Our young people must start getting a grip.

 

[flynnibus]

If we are being completely honest, there is a huge political motivation behind the shutdowns. It doesn't matter which elected official or what party they are in any incumbent knows that if they don't do these things it will be used against them in the next election.

There will be commercials like "Governor X doesn't care about you. He stood by and let 10,000 Xidians die because the millionaire donors wanted their businesses to stay open."

Ugh... take this kind of 'analysis' and throw it in the dumpster.

The idea that something can be manipulated into a talking point against you does not mean it's motivation for making the change. Logic Fail 101.

Politicians didn't want to incite panics... and also knew making these calls would put their economies in tail spins. It had to be some of the hardest choices politicians had to make because it's a move of CAUTION instead of response... meaning you're moving before the worst hits and even if you were RIGHT, because the pain wasn't felt, people will still never give up nitpicking the decisions. What you avoided is always harder to convince people of vs what they actually experienced.

If anything people were just hoping they could do little and it would blow over... No one is blowing up their entire economic model out of fear of election ads.

Stop reading/listening to whatever trash is polluting your mind.

 

[rustincohle]

If the parks reopen in, say, early May, are we looking at shortened hours or other operational modifications? Or will it be fully back to normal to all intents and purposes?

(I'm aware no one here knows for sure, but I wanted to see what people's opinions/thoughts/predictions are. Apologies if this was discussed recently, I'm coming into this thread blind.)