Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

Why what does this achieve?

Lowers the chance of spread of the virus.

 

[Trauma]

Lowers the chance of spread of the virus.

You know what’s even more effective ?

Not going !

If you have any fear whatsoever of catching the virus you should not be at a theme park.

Doesn’t matter if you mask and social distance you can still catch it, so why are you there?

You have to go to work or get groceries, you do not need to go to Disney.

 

[disneygeek90]

You know what’s even more effective ?

Not going !

If you have any fear whatsoever of catching the virus you should not be at a theme park.

Doesn’t matter if you mask and social distance you can still catch it, so why are you there?

You have to go to work or get groceries, you do not need to go to Disney.

Why do you wear a seat belt if you can still die in a car accident?

Not sure why you have this aggressive stance that it's all or nothing. I have gone to Disney weekly since they reopened literally one year ago. Did I love wearing masks in the heat outside? Of course not. Is it nice not wearing one now? Absolutely. However, that doesn't mean at a high level (not speaking for only personal concerns about covid) we're doing the right thing when we have a ton of people essentially lying and are not vaccinated.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

You know what’s even more effective ?

Not going !

If you have any fear whatsoever of catching the virus you should not be at a theme park.

Doesn’t matter if you mask and social distance you can still catch it, so why are you there?

You have to go to work or get groceries, you do not need to go to Disney.

So you seriously think we should re-tank the economy and people should just stay at home? (All those Disney CMs will be back without a job if no one is visiting WDW)

Masks are proven to reduce spread. We can keep the economy open and reduce spread with mask mandates and social distancing.

Why the constant push-back against middle-of-the-road actions that do nothing but help?

 

[Trauma]

So you seriously think we should re-tank the economy and people should just stay at home? (All those Disney CMs will be back without a job if no one is visiting WDW)

Masks are proven to reduce spread. We can keep the economy open and reduce spread with mask mandates and social distancing.

Why the constant push-back against middle-of-the-road actions that do nothing but help?

What are you talking about?

If you do not feel safe at Disney without masks and social distancing you don’t go.

This will hurt Disney very little since there is a massive pool of vaccinated Americans that want to take a vacation, without the constant reminder of what we just went thru on their face.

The only thing that can crash this economy is a return to mitigation’s that only slow the spread.

If masks and social distancing worked we wouldn’t have needed the vaccine.

You can blame that on the people or government leaders whatever you like, but guess what that hasn’t changed either.

Furthermore the cdc and Fauci both don’t agree with you.

I’ll take their word over the little echo chamber here.

 

[Jrb1979]

What are you talking about?

If you do not feel safe at Disney without masks and social distancing you don’t go.

This will hurt Disney very little since there is a massive pool of vaccinated Americans that want to take a vacation, without the constant reminder of what we just went thru on their face.

The only thing that can crash this economy is a return to mitigation’s that only slow the spread.

If masks and social distancing worked we wouldn’t have needed the vaccine.

You can blame that on the people or government leaders whatever you like, but guess what that hasn’t changed either.

Furthermore the cdc and Fauci both don’t agree with you.

I’ll take their word over the little echo chamber here.

You would be losing your mind if you lived where I live. Masks are still mandatory for indoors no matter if you are vaccinated or not. Indoor dining is re opening this Friday. Up til now it's only be patios. Masks aren't going away til we hit 80% first dose and 70% fully vaccinated.

A big one is our amusement park finally opened for the first time in over a year 2 weeks ago

 

[Trauma]

You would be losing your mind if you lived where I live. Masks are still mandatory for indoors no matter if you are vaccinated or not. Indoor dining is re opening this Friday. Up til now it's only be patios. Masks aren't going away til we hit 80% first dose and 70% fully vaccinated.

A big one is our amusement park finally opened for the first time in over a year 2 weeks ago

Where I live is already above 80% vaccinated.

Why would I want to move anywhere else?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

What are you talking about?

If you do not feel safe at Disney without masks and social distancing you don’t go.

This will hurt Disney very little since there is a massive pool of vaccinated Americans that want to take a vacation, without the constant reminder of what we just went thru on their face.

The only thing that can crash this economy is a return to mitigation’s that only slow the spread.

If masks and social distancing worked we wouldn’t have needed the vaccine.

You can blame that on the people or government leaders whatever you like, but guess what that hasn’t changed either.

Furthermore the cdc and Fauci both don’t agree with you.

I’ll take their word over the little echo chamber here.

Okay, I get it.

We're pretending that everything is okay and that cases are going down everywhere and that there aren't any states in trouble...including Florida.

Have a great afternoon.

 

[Jrb1979]

Where I live is already above 80% vaccinated.

Why would I want to move anywhere else?

You're missing the point.

 

[Chi84]

Where I live is already above 80% vaccinated.

Why would I want to move anywhere else?

I think they meant you would be upset by the required masking for vaccinated people, which we don't have here. I'm fully vaccinated and I'm very happy with the CDC guidelines saying I don't have to wear masks anymore (with limited exceptions for air travel, public transportation and doctor's offices).

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

You would be losing your mind if you lived where I live. Masks are still mandatory for indoors no matter if you are vaccinated or not. Indoor dining is re opening this Friday. Up til now it's only be patios. Masks aren't going away til we hit 80% first dose and 70% fully vaccinated.

A big one is our amusement park finally opened for the first time in over a year 2 weeks ago

Crazy considering Canada is two days away from passing the USA numbers for fully vaccinated, and Ontario has less cases per capita than anywhere in the USA.

They should look at BC. Masks are optional but the majority still wear them indoors, it's not a 50/50 split like you might expect given the vaccination rates. It's so different than what we're reading about WDW where suddenly 100% of guests are "fully vaccinated".

 

[Jrb1979]

I think they meant you would be upset by the required masking for vaccinated people, which we don't have here. I'm fully vaccinated and I'm very happy with the CDC guidelines saying I don't have to wear masks anymore (with limited exceptions for air travel, public transportation and doctor's offices).

It's exactly what I meant.

 

[Trauma]

You're missing the point.

No I’m not.

Your leadership took a more conservative approach.

That was a smart thing in my opinion.

Problem is our leadership here, who was just voted in recently, decided we no longer needed restrictions.

This put actions into place that can’t be easily undone like many here assume.

Businesses invested heavily into preparing for the return to normal.

This can’t be walked back without damage being done on many fronts.

I understand why people on this forum want restrictions I get it.

They need to understand that genie is not going back into the bottle, it would be economic and political suicide.

What we can do is focus on solving the actual problem.

The people who choose to not get vaccinated.

All of our energy should be focused there.

 

[Jrb1979]

No I’m not.

Your leadership took a more conservative approach.

That was a smart thing in my opinion.

Problem is our leadership here, who was just voted in recently, decided we no longer needed restrictions.

This put actions into place that can’t be easily undone like many here assume.

Businesses invested heavily into preparing for the return to normal.

This can’t be walked back without damage being done on many fronts.

I understand why people on this forum want restrictions I get it.

They need to understand that genie is not going back into the bottle, it would be economic and political suicide.

What we can do is focus on solving the actual problem.

The people who choose to not get vaccinated.

All of our energy should be focused there.

I understand all that. With the way things have been handled from the start I am really not surprised to see cases rising in many places again.

I don't buy the whole cases will rise when you open up things. We have been opening up things here since June and cases continue to drop.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

No I’m not.

Your leadership took a more conservative approach.

That was a smart thing in my opinion.

Problem is our leadership here, who was just voted in recently, decided we no longer needed restrictions.

This put actions into place that can’t be easily undone like many here assume.

Businesses invested heavily into preparing for the return to normal.

This can’t be walked back without damage being done on many fronts.

I understand why people on this forum want restrictions I get it.

They need to understand that genie is not going back into the bottle, it would be economic and political suicide.

What we can do is focus on solving the actual problem.

The people who choose to not get vaccinated.

All of our energy should be focused there.

How do you get the hold outs vaccinated though? With no restrictions, the incentive is gone for so many people.

Lotteries and other bribes don't work, or have worked as well as they're going to.

Businesses have little ability to effect change, since they can't ask for proof of vaccination in Florida. They could mandate masks indoors but at this point that es off the people who are vaccinated. A lose-lose prospect.

What is it going to take? Another even worse variant that impacts the unvaccinated in greater numbers? I'm struggling to think of anything else other than bringing back strict restrictions. Send the message - you had your chance to get vaccinated, we trusted you to do the obvious thing, but since you didn't we're going to bring back masks or require proof of vaccination at the Magic Kingdom.

It continues to be mind boggling that the USA didn't finish the vaccination process by now, and that these conversations are still being had. Canada will pass the USA in fully vaccinated numbers in two days, despite starting several months later. Canada is less than a month away from having 80% of the entire population fully vaccinated.

 

[Trauma]

How do you get the hold outs vaccinated though? With no restrictions, the incentive is gone for so many people.

Lotteries and other bribes don't work, or have worked as well as they're going to.

Businesses have little ability to effect change, since they can't ask for proof of vaccination in Florida. They could mandate masks indoors but at this point that ****es off the people who are vaccinated. A lose-lose prospect.

What is it going to take? Another even worse variant that impacts the unvaccinated in greater numbers? I'm struggling to think of anything else other than bringing back strict restrictions. Send the message - you had your chance to get vaccinated, we trusted you to do the obvious thing, but since you didn't we're going to bring back masks or require proof of vaccination at the Magic Kingdom.

It continues to be mind boggling that the USA didn't finish the vaccination process by now, and that these conversations are still being had. Canada will pass the USA in fully vaccinated numbers in two days, despite starting several months later. Canada is less than a month away from having 80% of the entire population fully vaccinated.

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I don’t know how to respond to anything anymore without getting political but what makes you think the non vaccinated are going to care about restrictions?

What makes you think that the areas of the country that are the biggest problem are going to give two cents about bringing back restrictions?

 

[Trauma]

Okay, I get it.

We're pretending that everything is okay and that cases are going down everywhere and that there aren't any states in trouble...including Florida.

Have a great afternoon.

If you have a solution I would love to hear it.

Just one thing.

If you want to say let’s bring back restrictions in Florida for example.

Tell me how that can actually happen without a change of leadership.

You talk about what should be done.

The problem is many of those things can’t happen for a myriad of reasons many political.

I am more focused on the reality of the situation.

What can we actually do?

Yes we can mask and social distance, but only the vaccinated care enough to do that, don’t fool yourself.

I only see two ways out of this.

Either the party in power finds a way to “force vaccination” thru passports or other means.

Or you watch the world burn around you, take your vaccine, and hope your house doesn’t catch on fire.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I don’t know how to respond to anything anymore without getting political but what makes you think the non vaccinated are going to care about restrictions?

What makes you think that the areas of the country that are the biggest problem are going to give two cents about bringing back restrictions?

I don't know, but what else is there? Ontario was far more conservative as you pointed out, but it helped. Loosening of restrictions in Canada has largely been conditional upon vaccination numbers. Gatherings, travel, dining in, getting a haircut, etc. were all contingent on a certain percentage of the population getting vaccinated. The resulting response is quite decisive. As you pointed out there are politics and other factors at play that differ between the two countries, that we can't really discuss here, but I still conclude that this approach paid off.

It's tough because every business wants to make as much money as possible. In my fantasy scenario WDW, movie theaters, restaurants, etc. would require vaccination for admission. There are no consequences now for not getting vaccinated, in terms of leisure activities.

More and more people are giving up and accepting that nothing more can be done, and the people who don't get vaccinated have chosen their path. I get it. I just wish there was better leadership or ways to have real consequences for the choice. Living in a society means doing certain things for the benefit of all, but instead it feels very every person for themselves.

 

[DisneyCane]

How do you get the hold outs vaccinated though? With no restrictions, the incentive is gone for so many people.

Lotteries and other bribes don't work, or have worked as well as they're going to.

Businesses have little ability to effect change, since they can't ask for proof of vaccination in Florida. They could mandate masks indoors but at this point that ****es off the people who are vaccinated. A lose-lose prospect.

What is it going to take? Another even worse variant that impacts the unvaccinated in greater numbers? I'm struggling to think of anything else other than bringing back strict restrictions. Send the message - you had your chance to get vaccinated, we trusted you to do the obvious thing, but since you didn't we're going to bring back masks or require proof of vaccination at the Magic Kingdom.

It continues to be mind boggling that the USA didn't finish the vaccination process by now, and that these conversations are still being had. Canada will pass the USA in fully vaccinated numbers in two days, despite starting several months later. Canada is less than a month away from having 80% of the entire population fully vaccinated.

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Meaningful bribes haven't been tried. I'm pretty sure that if you gave people $1,000 tax free for getting vaccinated, a good percentage of the holdouts would get vaccinated. It should have been tied to the last stimulus.

 

[Trauma]

Meaningful bribes haven't been tried. I'm pretty sure that if you gave people $1,000 tax free for getting vaccinated, a good percentage of the holdouts would get vaccinated. It should have been tied to the last stimulus.

Yeah 150% agree.

People keep saying meaningful bribes.

Where has that happened?

People know they have almost no chance of winning a lottery.

Give everyone guaranteed $$$$ and scholarships for kids.

This will move the needle in a major way.