Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Chi84

Chi84

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GoofGoof said:
How am I harping on anyone who wants to be cautious? I am the first to defend people who choose to still wear a mask when someone says they shouldn’t anymore. I have no issue with anyone wearing a mask or staying home or not traveling or not seeing their families. It’s all a choice and I said in the post you quoted everyone moves at a different pace. Have I once in this thread directly quoted one of your posts and called you out for being too cautious? I cancelled a trip to WDW last year because I deemed it not a good idea for me and my family while the cases were high and none of us were vaccinated. Things have changed and for the positive.

I am following the science and following the same experts we have been following since day 1. The experts told me last year to wear a mask and not travel and not see my family. They are now telling me that fully vaccinated people can do things in public with no mask and no distancing, that it’s OK to travel again, that it’s OK to see family. I am celebrating the success of the vaccines and I am personally happy about a return to these somewhat normal activities. I see no issue with people celebrating these things, but when I post things like that which are positive they are often met with comments about how we are moving too fast, how we haven’t vaccinated enough people or now the vaccines aren’t as effective or are fading and that it‘s irresponsible to do these things that public health experts and the government deem safe. Those are the types of posts I’m referring to.
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Your posts are relevant and filled with substantive content; there is no reason to explain or defend them against unwarranted criticism.
 
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mmascari

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Trauma said:
Let me lay out a hypothetical.

Two brothers with a strict mom.

Rules are simple, you can’t go out and have fun play video games not anything, until your chores are done. You have to do your own chores no one can do them for you.

Brother Vac does his chores every day and after a very long and grueling school year sets out to enjoy his summer.

Brother Anti does not do his chores. He is not allowed to go out and enjoy things like his brother. ( even though he does anyways when Mom is not looking )

Things go along fine for a bit but Mom becomes very frustrated , coming up with strict rules that neither brother can do anything until all chores are done.

Brother Vac still does everything he is suppose to.

He try’s to talk to brother Anti and show him that it’s for the greater good to do his chores.

Brother Anti doesn’t care it’s his right to do what he wants.

All that changes is that now is brother Vac is stuck at home.

To make matters worse brother Anti is still sneaking out doing whatever he wants and rubbing it in brother Vac’s face.

For the vaccinated among us we are all brother Vac.
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One of their chores is personal hygiene. Without it, they're a danger to others. Not all others, not even most others, just some others.

When they're out on the street, they run into Janie. Unfortunately for Janie, she's one of the others that is in danger when she's exposed to someone with poor hygiene.

When Janie runs into Vac or Anti while queued up inside in a poorly ventilated waiting area she's got some choices to make.
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Why is the true source of the problem not being attacked? The people who refuse to vaccinate.
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This is the root of the problem. Janie cannot tell which brother is Vac and which is Anti. So, she has to assume they're both Anti. All interactions with Vac will suffer simply because there's no way to tell them apart. It's a lowest common denominator problem.

If Janie lives in GoofGoof's neighborhood, she can probably treat them both as Vac. Stats say, that's way more likely and even if it's not, there are so many Vac's that even Anti is probably safe.

If Janie lives in my neighborhood, the same is probably true based on our numbers.

If Janie lives in FL, those stats are trending the other way. How lucky is she feeling today?

If Janie lives in MO, those stats are significantly the other way. Not only is it safer for her to assume it's Anti, it's probably correct too.

WDW as a tourist destination has it's own unknown set of numbers. Which generally means we should suspect it is close to the US overall numbers right now. A blend of better and worse. Since it's staffed with FL residents, I would tend to put it between US overall and FL numbers. Somewhere between 6 and 16 daily cases per 100K. Not the 1 or less than 1 in some neighborhoods.


Remember, Janie doesn't want this to last forever. She wants to get vaccinated and not have to care. She wants the numbers everywhere to get low enough to not care. This is a transition problem not one that will last forever. Eventually, statistically everyone will either get vaccinated or catch COVID. Those who the vaccine doesn't work for are hoping to live in the gap between statistically everyone and actually everyone.
 
DisneyDebRob

DisneyDebRob

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GoofGoof said:
To follow up on discussion around delta variant:
Dr. Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden, did the round of Sunday talk shows on Sunday to say COVID-19 vaccine boosters are not needed in the U.S. right now as almost all new cases are in unvaccinated people, but he didn’t rule out that they may be needed over time for certain individuals.

This just highlights what most people have been saying all along, the vaccines work…really, really well.

www.marketwatch.com

Fauci says COVID-19 vaccine boosters not needed for now, with delta variant mostly infecting the unvaccinated

Dr. Anthony Fauci, chief medical adviser to President Joe Biden, did the round of Sunday talk shows on Sunday to say COVID-19 vaccine boosters are not needed...
www.marketwatch.com www.marketwatch.com
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I think most people on this thread know how well they work. Most here I think are informed When you read articles like the one I’m leaving a link for, and see that 99% of deaths right now from Covid are the unvaccinated. That’s a huge number and I can’t see how anyone can look at it and continue to nit get the shot. Article also covers cases going up in 43 states. Blows the mind.
Also the chairman of the Miami-Dade commission just caught COVID after being vaccinated 4 months ago. Since he has spent so much time at the condo collapse they seem to be worried now with exposure at the site.

www.google.com

New infections rising almost 50% across US; FDA issues new warning on J&J vaccine: Live COVID-19 updates

The U.S. averaged about 19,455 new cases per day over the last seven days, a 47.5% increase from the previous week. Latest COVID-19 news.
www.google.com
 
hopemax

hopemax

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DisneyDebRob said:
I guess this puts me in the doom and gloom crowd here according to a few here. You can be positive but also bring up the facts of what’s going on around us.
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I have found this whole thing fascinating in terms of learning how something new, and something like this works. I haven't learned so much since college. Virology, psychology, sociology, geo-political, economy. This one has got it all. And it's all happening in real-time. I have enjoyed chatting about it with all of you, because things like this don't come around every day (Yes, I would choose not having to do any of this, but since that's not an option...) I am going to enjoy the learning process.

Last night I was reading about the case in Belgium where a person was observed to be infected with 2 variants at the same time (Alpha and Beta) and was likely infected via two different people. Did any of you know that was possible? The woman was 90, and this was before she was able to be vaccinated, so her outcome was death. Her age makes it hard to determine the effect of the double infection. Could she have survived if she was only sick with one of them?

Some are now going to run with news of this as, "Stop scaring people!" I just think that we can even figure it out is a "science is cool / we learned something new" moment and it gives those that are vaccinated another reason to feel good about their choice. I've never enjoyed being sick with two things at once so I am glad to have hopefully dodged that bullet now that Delta and Lambda are floating around.
 
DisneyDebRob

DisneyDebRob

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Chi84 said:
Your posts are relevant and filled with substantive content; there is no reason to explain or defend them against unwarranted criticism.
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I believe, and if I’m wrong I hope the OP corrects me, is that a few of us that have been here way to long were being called doom and gloomers last March and April and may.. maybe the whole summer. #GoofGoof and I were on the end of that because we were saying to be safe.. stay inside as much as possible.. etc. we were canceling trips as others here were saying just stay in your basements.. cowards..etc. Just go back and read from back then.
Now things have turned around so much and a few here have noticed some here have now started using the term doom and gloom .. after fighting the same thing a year ago. It’s like a former smoker who would tell anyone it’s their right to smoke away.. then quits and talks about how nasty smokers are and how bad the smell is.
In saying all this, I may be way off base but it’s what I’m getting out of it here. Feel free to correct me if I am.
 
ImperfectPixie

ImperfectPixie

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GoofGoof said:
How am I harping on anyone who wants to be cautious? I am the first to defend people who choose to still wear a mask when someone says they shouldn’t anymore. I have no issue with anyone wearing a mask or staying home or not traveling or not seeing their families. It’s all a choice and I said in the post you quoted everyone moves at a different pace. Have I once in this thread directly quoted one of your posts and called you out for being too cautious? I cancelled a trip to WDW last year because I deemed it not a good idea for me and my family while the cases were high and none of us were vaccinated. Things have changed and for the positive.

I am following the science and following the same experts we have been following since day 1. The experts told me last year to wear a mask and not travel and not see my family. They are now telling me that fully vaccinated people can do things in public with no mask and no distancing, that it’s OK to travel again, that it’s OK to see family. I am celebrating the success of the vaccines and I am personally happy about a return to these somewhat normal activities. I see no issue with people celebrating these things, but when I post things like that which are positive they are often met with comments about how we are moving too fast, how we haven’t vaccinated enough people or now the vaccines aren’t as effective or are fading and that it‘s irresponsible to do these things that public health experts and the government deem safe. Those are the types of posts I’m referring to.

As far as the delta variant goes, who knows what the impact will be. One guy says 500,000 cases a day, I hope he’s wrong. Since the majority of cases in the US are now delta variant I’m not sure it’s accurate to say it hasn’t hit yet. I am optimistic that in highly vaccinated areas the impact will be both shorter and less severe. If you go back to posts in Feb when cases started dropping in the US there were similar posts about the UK variant becoming dominant and driving a 3rd wave. Luckily for us the UK variant became dominant and it didn’t resulted in a 3rd wave or a prolonged spike in cases but I think it was due to getting vaccines done as fast as possible. My hope is that same progression occurs with Delta. If not we will adjust and in the worst case we can always roll out a booster. It’s too soon to pull the trigger on that, but the option is on the table.
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There have been a few times that you've used language that definitely came off as a "dig" to those who think things are moving too quickly. If you didn't intend them that way, I apologize, but you should be aware of that nonetheless.
 
Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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DisneyDebRob said:
I believe, and if I’m wrong I hope the OP corrects me, is that a few of us that have been here way to long were being called doom and gloomers last March and April and may.. maybe the whole summer. #GoofGoof and I were on the end of that because we were saying to be safe.. stay inside as much as possible.. etc. we were canceling trips as others here were saying just stay in your basements.. cowards..etc. Just go back and read from back then.
Now things have turned around so much and a few here have noticed some here have now started using the term doom and gloom .. after fighting the same thing a year ago. It’s like a former smoker who would tell anyone it’s their right to smoke away.. then quits and talks about how nasty smokers are and how bad the smell is.
In saying all this, I may be way off base but it’s what I’m getting out of here. Feel free to correct me if I am.
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I will say that most of the posters who would have used the term "gloom and doom" in the spring and summer of 2020 have long since left this discussion.
 
DisneyDebRob

DisneyDebRob

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Heppenheimer said:
I will say that most of the posters who would have used the term "gloom and doom" in the spring and summer of 2020 have long since left this discussion.
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They have for the most part and I think that’s my point. It’s like coming back again when I guess it shouldn’t be.
It’s not about cowering in the basement, it’s about facts good and bad. From vaccines being good all the way to someone posting about something with a variant being bad. It’s not doom and gloom ( hate that term by the way.. it doesn’t even fit what’s being said) it’s just presenting all sides of the situation.
 
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lisa12000

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So we are opening up on the 19th with all legal restrictions gone but with caution about mask wearing in crowded spaces and working from home.

one change of tone was that they recommended the use of vaccine passports for large events and risky settings so I’m assuming football stadia, public festivals, theatres, indoor gigs etc - I’m not sure how I feel about them but if it means if life can feel a bit more normal than I’m afraid so be it

oh and vaccinated people do not have to quarantine when coming back from amber countries such as the USA - if we were let in I’d be on the first plane to the magic kingdom!
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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ImperfectPixie said:
There have been a few times that you've used language that definitely came off as a "dig" to those who think things are moving too quickly. If you didn't intend them that way, I apologize, but you should be aware of that nonetheless.
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I really don’t have anything else to say. I think as I said a few pages back, it’s all been said and there’s not much left to talk about. I will probably pop in now and then to share a bit of good information I come across especially as I relates to WDW but the back and forth isn’t productive so everyone stay safe :)
 
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GimpYancIent

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Heppenheimer said:
I will say that most of the posters who would have used the term "gloom and doom" in the spring and summer of 2020 have long since left this discussion.
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Nah! Just look in the shadows.
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LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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Contradictory nonsense. Clubs are back to full capacity yet masks are still “expected” in crowded indoor settings? Ridiculous. Makes me embarrassed to be British.

While virtually all legal restrictions will be lifted, some guidance will remain.
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For example, the legal requirement to wear face coverings in some enclosed public places will be removed but Mr Javid said they were still "expected and recommended" in crowded indoor areas.
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Nightclubs will also be allowed to reopen and capacity limits will be removed for all venues and events.​

www.bbc.co.uk

Covid: England lockdown rules to end on 19 July, PM confirms

But Boris Johnson says it is vital to proceed with "caution" because "this pandemic is not over" .
www.bbc.co.uk
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

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I will say this. From an outsiders perspective it does feel like the majority of Americans are doing this 🎉🎉🥳🥳🥳🥳 in regards to Covid. It's not just people but media too. When I do see US News barely any mention of Covid anymore.

Here in Canada Covid vaccinations lead the news most nights. Most people are focused on getting people vaccinated and still are very cautious. It's why it's hard to relate to most in this thread.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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The Mom said:
Well, it is a Disney parks forum, and the title of the thread is Corona Virus and WDW. So people should be just speaking about Covid in terms of Disney parks. But that has proven to be an impossibility.
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Lock it down, Mama…

but seriously: all restrictions have been dropped…including for kids that is stupid in Florida…

and the metrics I referred today…rise in cases, hospitalizations and delta variant percentage…are high in a certain sunshine state.

if there is a fall backslide…they are setting themselves up
 
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