Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyFan32

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Barring a huge spike I suspect it to be dropped nationally at the end of the mandate, FA have been assaulted over enforcing this rule and it’s only going to get worse from here.
I'm scared about NJ, NY, CA and other states will getting huge spike by September....because Delta variant will getting worse soon in Northeast and California by fall/winter. So they will never lift restrictions for public transportation by September 13th.
 

Flugell

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Barring a huge spike I suspect it to be dropped nationally at the end of the mandate, FA have been assaulted over enforcing this rule and it’s only going to get worse from here.
Sorry but if the reason for lifting a mandate is because staff have been assaulted and it’s only going to get worse doesn’t that mean that the non compliant have won and sends a message that violence changes policy?
 

Touchdown

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Sorry but if the reason for lifting a mandate is because staff have been assaulted and it’s only going to get worse doesn’t that mean that the non compliant have won and sends a message that violence changes policy?
Or that the pandemic is in a better place and there is no need for it anymore. They didn’t win, the FDA is fining and airlines are banning the morons, but it gets to be deminishing returns when numbers remain low.
 

GoofGoof

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What do think the chances are of the DOT and CDC releasing some type of framework whereby a local transit authority could loosen restrictions? I agree with you that air travel (and what's left of AMTRAK) needs to be scrutinized at a national level due to the blending of travelers from everywhere. But, if the NE corridor, CA, and the PNW is still doing well in September, could their commuter trains and the like be allowed to selectively lift restrictions? Unless the 5-11 set is authorized by then, would they even want to do that?
I don’t think the DOT has the authority to do that. If they give control to states to mandate their own rules then they can’t do it for only some stares. So they could leave it up to states but if that occurred they lose all control and then states with higher covid levels will drop masks anyway. If it was left up to states do you think the states that never had mask mandates will not require masks on transit.
 

DisneyFan32

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I don’t think the DOT has the authority to do that. If they give control to states to mandate their own rules then they can’t do it for only some stares. So they could leave it up to states but if that occurred they lose all control and then states with higher covid levels will drop masks anyway. If it was left up to states do you think the states that never had mask mandates will not require masks on transit.
So NJ Transit will may drop mask mandate soon?
 

Tony the Tigger

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Just stay indoors. Do not leave your house. Make sure you put suran wrap on your air vents just to be safe. Mask your animals as well. I hear that cats are now spreading covid to humans.

When are we going to lock people up who refuse to get vaccinated? We should be arresting these people!
Why would you say this?

Do you think anyone thinks like this?

Do you think this advances the conversation in any way?
 

sullyinMT

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I don’t think the DOT has the authority to do that. If they give control to states to mandate their own rules then they can’t do it for only some stares. So they could leave it up to states but if that occurred they lose all control and then states with higher covid levels will drop masks anyway. If it was left up to states do you think the states that never had mask mandates will not require masks on transit.
No, I don’t. But I also wonder what local enforcement is like, anyway, in those areas. I’m sure it varies, and I’m not a transit user here. I do see our city bus drivers wearing them on their chins.
I guess my question is whether or not they drop other modes of transport and keep it for planes and interstate trains/buses.
 

Tony the Tigger

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Not so much that they can't spare the time required to get the vaccine, but it's difficult to coordinate the vaccine appointment with a day off afterwards to cover the inevitable sick day.
Their employer has to give them the day off with pay if they need it (including the day after for recovery.) They will be reimbursed via the Federal government through tax credits.
 

sullyinMT

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Or that the pandemic is in a better place and there is no need for it anymore. They didn’t win, the FDA is fining and airlines are banning the morons, but it gets to be deminishing returns when numbers remain low.
Eventually, yes. Hopefully by September we’re there nationally. Seeing what’s going on around me locally (new county spike might be materializing), I have my doubts.
 

DisneyCane

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Or that the pandemic is in a better place and there is no need for it anymore. They didn’t win, the FDA is fining and airlines are banning the morons, but it gets to be deminishing returns when numbers remain low.
It's already at diminishing returns because, due to the air filtration rate and exchange with fresh air, airplanes are not a high risk of COVID spread to start with. Very little, if any spread was traced back to airplanes at the beginning of the pandemic, before travel restrictions or mask requirements.
 

ABQ

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It's already at diminishing returns because, due to the air filtration rate and exchange with fresh air, airplanes are not a high risk of COVID spread to start with. Very little, if any spread was traced back to airplanes at the beginning of the pandemic, before travel restrictions or mask requirements.
One piece of science that so many of the "follow the science" folks never seem to follow.
 

cranbiz

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Just stay indoors. Do not leave your house. Make sure you put suran wrap on your air vents just to be safe. Mask your animals as well. I hear that cats are now spreading covid to humans.

When are we going to lock people up who refuse to get vaccinated? We should be arresting these people!
Really? This is the most asinine statement I have heard for a while.
Should you get a covid vaccine? In most cases, yes. Should our government demand you do so? NO. I'm not anti vax, I got my covid vaccine but it was my choice as a free American.

This is like saying that you should be arrested for not having a flu shot.
 

sullyinMT

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It's already at diminishing returns because, due to the air filtration rate and exchange with fresh air, airplanes are not a high risk of COVID spread to start with. Very little, if any spread was traced back to airplanes at the beginning of the pandemic, before travel restrictions or mask requirements.
There was also a time early in the pandemic where planes and airports were ghost towns. By the time appreciable air travel returned, mandates were in place. Now, with near-2019 passenger counts, it might be too soon.

If things continue to improve, I could see the tipping point occurring in September. But we’ll be struggling to have hit 60% of the total population fully vaccinated by that point, so I understand the hesitancy some feel in lifting the mandate too soon.

For the record, I do intend to fly masked for the most part going forward. Maybe with a longer drink/snack break than currently allowed. It’s not as uncomfortable as I expected it to be, and I hate vacationing with whatever crud I “always” pick up flying.
 

Lilofan

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There was also a time early in the pandemic where planes and airports were ghost towns. By the time appreciable air travel returned, mandates were in place. Now, with near-2019 passenger counts, it might be too soon.

If things continue to improve, I could see the tipping point occurring in September. But we’ll be struggling to have hit 60% of the total population fully vaccinated by that point, so I understand the hesitancy some feel in lifting the mandate too soon.

For the record, I do intend to fly masked for the most part going forward. Maybe with a longer drink/snack break than currently allowed. It’s not as uncomfortable as I expected it to be, and I hate vacationing with whatever crud I “always” pick up flying.
At the current time there is no option to fly unmasked on United. I flew recently and several times the airline staff reminded us on the loudspeaker to keep our masks on with the exception of actively eating or drinking and non compliance would result in penalty fees, banned from flying the airline and arrest by law enforcement at the destination airport. There's no playing around.
 

hopemax

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One piece of science that so many of the "follow the science" folks never seem to follow.
No, it’s people were talking about different things.

I absolutely believe the airlines are correct that a passenger sitting in row 13 is unlikely to be infected by a COVID positive person sitting in row 3 because of the quality of their air system. But if the loud mouth, constant snacking COVID positive person is sitting in row 13 with me or near me in row 12 or 14, and their spittle gets to my nose before it reaches the superior air system don’t act like the HEPA filter is going to protect me. When airline infections have occurred, it’s travelers sitting in close proximity to the index case and there is never a way to know when you might be near one of them.
 

sullyinMT

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At the current time there is no option to fly unmasked on United. I flew recently and several times the airline staff reminded us on the loudspeaker to keep our masks on with the exception of actively eating or drinking and non compliance would result in penalty fees, banned from flying the airline and arrest by law enforcement at the destination airport. There's no playing around.
Yep. I’m talking after whatever date marks the end of the mandate. I’ve enjoyed not catching crud on my small number of flights these last 15 months and will personally make the choice to continue. I don’t expect them to be mandated indefinitely, though.
 

ABQ

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No, it’s people were talking about different things.

I absolutely believe the airlines are correct that a passenger sitting in row 13 is unlikely to be infected by a COVID positive person sitting in row 3 because of the quality of their air system. But if the loud mouth, constant snacking COVID positive person is sitting in row 13 with me or near me in row 12 or 14, and their spittle gets to my nose before it reaches the superior air system don’t act like the HEPA filter is going to protect me. When airline infections have occurred, it’s travelers sitting in close proximity to the index case and there is never a way to know when you might be near one of them.
If they are constantly snacking today, under current rules, you are at the same risk you'd be if they had no mask wearing rules. You could still wear your own mask at your own discretion, but if the blowhard eating their stroopwaffel won't shut up, their spittle can still find you as they are allowed to unmask while stuffing their big mouth.
 
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