Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

At the current time there is no option to fly unmasked on United. I flew recently and several times the airline staff reminded us on the loudspeaker to keep our masks on with the exception of actively eating or drinking and non compliance would result in penalty fees, banned from flying the airline and arrest by law enforcement at the destination airport. There's no playing around.

Even the usually fun FAs on WN flights were more matter of fact. I so feel for them with so many jerks flying out there.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Really? This is the most asinine statement I have heard for a while.
Should you get a covid vaccine? In most cases, yes. Should our government demand you do so? NO. I'm not anti vax, I got my covid vaccine but it was my choice as a free American.

This is like saying that you should be arrested for not having a flu shot.

Is the US worse off without polio?

 

[Parker in NYC]

Just stay indoors. Do not leave your house. Make sure you put suran wrap on your air vents just to be safe. Mask your animals as well. I hear that cats are now spreading covid to humans.

When are we going to lock people up who refuse to get vaccinated? We should be arresting these people!

I realize you only joined in March of this year, but I’d advise you to read up on what was discussed here - ad nauseous (I mean nauseum…) - during the previous year. Then maybe we wouldn’t have to repeat Kindergarten.

 

[cranbiz]

Is the US worse off without polio?

Can you be arrested for not getting a Polio vaccine?

 

[Parker in NYC]

Can you be arrested for not getting a Polio vaccine?

Don’t ask the question when you already know the answer. Otherwise, it’s just annoying.

 

[GoofGoof]

Here‘s the thing about flying, the Federal government controls the rules you must follow. It’s that way for everything related to air travel. You have 2 choices….follow the rules or don’t fly. I have no problem with people debating “the science“ around ventilation or whatever they want and making claims that they think the rules are unnecessary. You are entitled to an opinion about anything and everything but your opinion is largely irrelevant. The rules are the rules. So nobody is justified to act out in resistance to the rules because they believe or their echo chamber told them that masks aren’t needed on a plane or the rules are unnecessary. Imagine if people just decided they didn’t need to take their shoes off because they believe it’s unnecessary (maybe they feel their feet are too small to hold enough explosives) or even worse if people decided that planes would be safer if they carried their guns onboard. If people were allowed to act however they wanted based on what they believe is right and/or necessary or how they feel it would be chaos.

If you want to travel and fly places go for it…just know the rules going in, follow the rules and let the people working to get you where you want to go do their job. Acting up is not noble and you aren’t serving a greater good and anyone who supports the people doing that is just as guilty.

 

[mmascari]

Imagine if people just decided they didn’t need to take their shoes off because they believe it’s unnecessary (maybe they feel their feet are too small to hold enough explosives)

Funny story. Once long ago, before kids clearly I'm old now, I flew from Flagstaff to Phoenix. Calling this a small airport feels generous. It's so small, security is at the gate not before it. The team working security is the team working the counter at the gate then. The waiting area is mostly outside security. About 20 minutes before boarding, they open security, process everyone through, then the same people process everyone through the gate onto the plane.

This was after the change to remove shoes. My kids aren't that old.

A lady before me in line is wearing sandals. The sport type that has some straps and a slab of rubber. No socks.

We get to the "take your shoes off" part, and she declines. They made her sit off to the side. Then had to swab her feet and process those. Her feeling that it was ridiculous and they were sandals with clearly nothing hiding in them didn't matter one bit.

 

[cranbiz]

Don’t ask the question when you already know the answer. Otherwise, it’s just annoying.

Yes, I knew the answer but apparently the poster I quoted either doesn't or didn't read my entire post.

Now, seeing as maybe I wasn't perfectly clear to some.

1. Yes, the US is better without Polio.
2. I support vaccines, I got mine back in March and April.
3. I support a person's right to chose. This is supposed to be a free America.
4. The Government needs to stay out of peoples personal lives. Some will say it's for the public good, OK, the Government made the vaccine free to all. In my opinion, that's as far as the government should go.
5. Not everyone can get this vaccine for health reasons.
6. Going door to door to "encourage" vaccination or as one suggested, arresting those who won't get one is Government over reach.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Yes, I knew the answer but apparently the poster I quoted either doesn't or didn't read my entire post.

Now, seeing as maybe I wasn't perfectly clear to some.

1. Yes, the US is better without Polio.
2. I support vaccines, I got mine back in March and April.
3. I support a person's right to chose. This is supposed to be a free America.
4. The Government needs to stay out of peoples personal lives. Some will say it's for the public good, OK, the Government made the vaccine free to all. In my opinion, that's as far as the government should go.
5. Not everyone can get this vaccine for health reasons.
6. Going door to door to "encourage" vaccination or as one suggested, arresting those who won't get one is Government over reach.

Many people believe that when it comes to something like highly transmissible viruses, the "freedoms/rights" many crow on about go out the door. Measures need to be taken for the greater good of society. That's why you have States of Emergency and Emergency acts that allow governments to make those types of decisions.

You can be against that concept, sure, have at it. But I believe it is necessary.

Covid has been terrible, and I have certainly learned that humans just suck. We can't agree, we can't get along, and we suck. If we get a virus in the future that is WAY worse, imagine Ebola but as transmissible as Covid or more transmissible, I would hope the government steps in and gets us all through it, as I know for a fact we won't be able to do it on our own.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You can be against that concept, sure, have at it. But I believe it is necessary.

I am against the concept. And thankfully it would seem the majority of the world is as well.

are any countries making covid vaccines mandatory?

 

[GoofGoof]

Yes, I knew the answer but apparently the poster I quoted either doesn't or didn't read my entire post.

Now, seeing as maybe I wasn't perfectly clear to some.

1. Yes, the US is better without Polio.
2. I support vaccines, I got mine back in March and April.
3. I support a person's right to chose. This is supposed to be a free America.
4. The Government needs to stay out of peoples personal lives. Some will say it's for the public good, OK, the Government made the vaccine free to all. In my opinion, that's as far as the government should go.
5. Not everyone can get this vaccine for health reasons.
6. Going door to door to "encourage" vaccination or as one suggested, arresting those who won't get one is Government over reach.

I see no issue with the government encouraging vaccination. If going door to door helps than do it. IMHO the governors of some states with lower vaccine rates are not fulfilling their duties they were elected to perform which include coordinating response to a public health emergency and keeping citizens safe. It’s not over reach for a leader to do everything in their power to encourage more people to be vaccinated. I haven’t seen anyone seriously suggest arresting people who aren’t vaccinated. Total straw man argument.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I see no issue with the government encouraging vaccination. If going door to door helps than do it. IMHO the governors of some states with lower vaccine rates are not fulfilling their duties they were elected to perform which include coordinating response to a public health emergency and keeping citizens safe. It’s not over reach for a leader to do everything in their power to encourage more people to be vaccinated. I haven’t seen anyone seriously suggest arresting people who aren’t vaccinated. Total straw man argument.

And they just keep finding more and more straw. Think of the farmland!

 

[Lilofan]

Many people believe that when it comes to something like highly transmissible viruses, the "freedoms/rights" many crow on about go out the door. Measures need to be taken for the greater good of society. That's why you have States of Emergency and Emergency acts that allow governments to make those types of decisions.

You can be against that concept, sure, have at it. But I believe it is necessary.

Covid has been terrible, and I have certainly learned that humans just suck. We can't agree, we can't get along, and we suck. If we get a virus in the future that is WAY worse, imagine Ebola but as transmissible as Covid or more transmissible, I would hope the government steps in and gets us all through it, as I know for a fact we won't be able to do it on our own.

For the greater good make the vaccines mandatory, no choice in the matter. When we work whether we like it or not, all of us fund a greater good system. That system is called Social Security.

 

[Parker in NYC]

So wait, the percentages positivity rate in Orange County is back above 5%. Oh, well.

 

[GoofGoof]

So wait, the percentages positivity rate in Orlando is back above 5%. Oh, well.

The Mayor did call no takesies backsies so not much we can do

 

[Disney Analyst]

I am against the concept. And thankfully it would seem the majority of the world is as well.

are any countries making covid vaccines mandatory?

So if you had a deadly disease like...Ebola that was transmitting quickly and easily, you would be against mandatory vaccinations that could prevent such disease?

I get that in something like Covid, many don't see the same threat, or have the same urgency... but I can't imagine if the world was truly going into madness over a FAR worse virus, that you would all be like "It's fine, freedom is more important, let everyone die".

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

So if you had a deadly disease like...Ebola that was transmitting quickly and easily, you would be against mandatory vaccinations that could prevent such disease?

Correct. I am against the government forcing anyone to do any medical procedure to themselves.

Now there are ways to encourage it... like the vaccine passports. But forcing it? Nope.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Canada has now exceeded 45% of 12+ with both doses. 50% will happen sometime early next week, possibly by end of day Monday.

 

[sullyinMT]

And they just keep finding more and more straw. Think of the farmland!

They're growing the wrong crops. Wheat, corn, and rye make the best whiskeys.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Correct. I am against the government forcing anyone to do any medical procedure to themselves.

Now there are ways to encourage it... like the vaccine passports. But forcing it? Nope.

All I can do is hope I am not around for the day a worse virus arrives.