India does have a vaccine extremely effective against delta - studies have shown that health workers that had had AZ were NOT infected with the virus or into health few cases got it very mildly! In uk our over 60 rates have hardly gone up at all suggesting high efficacy of AZ
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India does have a vaccine extremely effective against delta - studies have shown that health workers that had had AZ were NOT infected with the virus or into health few cases got it very mildly! In uk our over 60 rates have hardly gone up at all suggesting high efficacy of AZ
StaceyH_SD
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The issue with the US is that vaccination rates aren’t uniform. So in some places like the Northeast and California you have a lot of people getting the vaccine so those areas should do pretty well on knocking down covid, including the delta variant. However, many other states and even certain areas in states (for example many of the northern and non-coastal counties in CA) the vaccine rate is much lower. Those areas are just going to keep cycling covid outbreaks, and likely spawning and spreading and variants, until enough people in those areas are vaccinated.
I don’t have much concern or sympathy for any adult who refuses to get vaccinated at this point, unless they can’t be vaccinated due to a medical condition. I was just at a restaurant having lunch today when a guy in the booth behind me says, “I would rather retire than get the vaccine”. Ok, dude, but don’t complain to me when covid knocks you on your .
I don’t have much concern or sympathy for any adult who refuses to get vaccinated at this point, unless they can’t be vaccinated due to a medical condition. I was just at a restaurant having lunch today when a guy in the booth behind me says, “I would rather retire than get the vaccine”. Ok, dude, but don’t complain to me when covid knocks you on your .
DisneyFan32
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I'm scared about Delta variant now. I hope it's worse by fall/winter at end of this year.....is NJ and NY will be safe from Delta variant by this fall/winter?
DonniePeverley
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The 60% is just a benchmark too. In Israel their steep drop off occurred around when they hit 55% of the total population vaccinated. Not saying that’s a magic number or that Israel is a perfect match to the US but it is a benchmark we have to look at for ballpark analysis.
Looking at FL today, the last remaining covid mitigations that were put in place by either local governments or businesses directly have rolled off or will soon and the trajectory is still downward on cases. If we look at last Summer it was around this time that cases spiked big time. So far so good this year
Major metropolis cities like Mumbai in India had high vaccination rates in India, yet the delta virus still sweeped through - because they also had a huge amount unvaccinated. As one poster said, there are huge pockets that aren't vaccinated in America (and i hate to say it Florida doesn't have a high rate). The same scenario is being played out in the UK. There is no evidence to suggest 65-70% achieves herd immunity either.
What it all points down to is the following - if people refuse the vaccine, and the virus sweeps through this population what will be the response? If you have cases going out of control again, there is bound to be more restrictions put back. Surely the sensible approach would be to keep some light restrictions in place for a few more months NOW - like masks. Not down the road when things get out of control again.
DisneyFan32
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At least NJ and NY are safe for now with no more masks and social distancing forever.
At some point you need to let it fly. Why should I be punished for someone else’s stupidity? I still am willing to give a little due to children but 2 months after they can get the shot I will be fully in the camp of open this thing up and let the idiots gamble with their lives.
*Again, so sorry immunosuppressed people, I’m all for things like vaccine passports to protect you but sadly we’re the minority opinion.
TrainsOfDisney
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Isn’t that why we have lap bars on splash and doors on parking lot trams?
Yup, but this time I won’t, the only solution is hiring a bunch of people with blow darts and the J&J vaccine to fix things.
Where do you get that anywhere in India is highly vaccinated - it really is not the case at all and especially when delta hit india.
You do seem to think you know a lot about the uk? We have 80% first doses and 58% second doses - our over 60 rates are very very low, so our vaccines are working, our hospitalisations are low, we are finding that those going into hospital are less poorly, and are often in for a day or two and then leaving - we have 10,000 cases a day rather than 2,000 a day 6 weeks ago yet hospital rates are not going up anywhere near the expected rate and long May it continue.
yes we have kept restrictions on personal and social life - yet 20,000 Scotland fans went to london and partied, we have full houses at formula one and golf coming up, full capacity at Wimbledon, 45,000 at the football - so our restrictions seem to be just penalising the individual rather than corporate abd sporting events - so hey people can gather for events that are good for our profile and for middle class sporting events - but hey we can’t have more than 30 at weddings until Monday and they can’t dance and they can’t sing even when more can attend - we can’t have more than 6 people in our homes, we aren’t allowed to leave our country basically without hoop jumping and we are testing a million people a day, schoolchildren twice a week, surge testing everywhere etc
I know where I would rather be! Your country have a greater urge for normality than we will ever have, you will to overcome this is greater (imo), so many people in the uk are still very very afraid - yoy will be in a much better position than we are
GoofGoof
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As far as s FL, they are middle of the pack. Not a top performer but far from the worst state. Right now FL is at 63% of adults with at least 1 dose. So if FL doesn‘t have a high vaccine rate at 63% of adults, but Mumbai in India dose, then are you saying Mumbai has significantly more than 63% of adults vaccinated? What is the vaccine rate in Mumbai? Do you have anything you can post that shows that?
correcaminos
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No where in India was there high vaccination rates. When they were hit roughly 5% IIRC has their first shot. Mumbai has about 17.5% with one dose https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...-of-population-vaccinated/article34854171.ece
GoofGoof
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Well ok then. That answers my question.
I guess we all have different definitions of high vaccination rate
correcaminos
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I chalked it up to incorrect statement being heard somewhere. Let's be real, their decline in cases is due to natural immunity now, not vaccines.Well ok then. That answers my question.
I guess we all have different definitions of high vaccination rate
GoofGoof
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It’s tragic to see. I have a few co-workers with family over there and some of their stories remind me of our worst nightmares during the pandemic with hospitals overrun and people dying in the streets.
correcaminos
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My family no longer lives there but we still have ties through work. Absolutely devastating to watch. Felt so helpless during it all too. I might have sounded crass above, but it was said with sadness watching people suffer so.
Animaniac93-98
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You gotta take the vaccines to the people
"The health district and partners have sought to make shots convenient by bringing pop-up clinics into the community, in settings both traditional and novel — schools and recreation centers, a topless bar and the Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas sign."
lasvegassun.com
"The health district and partners have sought to make shots convenient by bringing pop-up clinics into the community, in settings both traditional and novel — schools and recreation centers, a topless bar and the Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas sign."
Nevada to offer prizes to boost coronavirus vaccinations
Nevada officials are hoping to entice more residents to get vaccinated against COVID-19 with prizes like fishing licenses, college scholarships and $1 million in cash. Nearly 2,000 winners will get a share of raffle prizes worth ...
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GoofGoof
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Whatever it takesYou gotta take the vaccines to the people
"The health district and partners have sought to make shots convenient by bringing pop-up clinics into the community, in settings both traditional and novel — schools and recreation centers, a topless bar and the Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas sign."
Nevada to offer prizes to boost coronavirus vaccinations
Nevada officials are hoping to entice more residents to get vaccinated against COVID-19 with prizes like fishing licenses, college scholarships and $1 million in cash. Nearly 2,000 winners will get a share of raffle prizes worth ...
Flugell
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I totally agree with your first 2 paragraphs and have some sympathy with the delay of “freedom day” whilst other things seem to be allowed for corporate sporting events. Though personally I am relieved that individual freedoms are somewhat curtailed as I have no desire to attend such events, or visit pubs or restaurants at the current time. Loving the football on the TV though! Remaining in the U.K. at the moment and avoiding holidays abroad seems eminently sensible both for our citizens and those of the countries we may visit, though I agree very frustrating! I am aware of the financial hardship this may/will cause here and/or abroad but it is of lesser consequence than allowing the disease to spread again.
However I disagree that I would rather be in the USA at the current time, not because I don’t love visiting the country because I do but because of the rather resigned attitude to getting people vaccinated indicated by some on this forum. In the states they are not providing pop up vaccination centres at the rate that we are as far as I can tell. Some states, it appears are resorting to bribery, which if it works is fair enough but we are not in that position. The people are still being vaccinated willingly and in large numbers. To wait an extra four weeks will allow those numbers to increase and should mean that the spread of infection can be contained more successfully.
It is a tough call to make and I appreciate that there are diametrically opposing opinions.
Just to make it clear, as far as I can the capacity and status of the sports events are explained here.
Coronavirus: Prime Minister Boris Johnson extends Covid-19 restrictions with Euro 2020 pilot events to continue
Government says there will about 40,000 fans for final four matches at of Euro 2020 at Wembley; Wimbledon finals on Centre Court to be played at maximum capacity with F1s British GP held at Silverstone under consideration to become test event
DisneyCane
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I guess you could always get shots at a topless bar now it's just a slightly different kind.You gotta take the vaccines to the people
"The health district and partners have sought to make shots convenient by bringing pop-up clinics into the community, in settings both traditional and novel — schools and recreation centers, a topless bar and the Welcome to Fabulous Las Vegas sign."
Nevada to offer prizes to boost coronavirus vaccinations
Nevada officials are hoping to entice more residents to get vaccinated against COVID-19 with prizes like fishing licenses, college scholarships and $1 million in cash. Nearly 2,000 winners will get a share of raffle prizes worth ...
Polkadotdress
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That seems to be the trend, as this NFL player is saying the same thing. It's so counterintuitive to all the vaccine efforts out there, as likely many in the public will follow his lead.
Buffalo Bills' Cole Beasley says he'd rather retire than get Covid-19 vaccine | CNN
Buffalo Bills wide receiver Cole Beasley, in a challenge to the National Football League's new Covid-19 training camp and preseason protocols, tweeted that he'd rather retire than get a vaccine.
www.cnn.com
Some highlights from his Tweet: "I will be outside doing what I do...I'll be out in the public. If your scared of me then steer clear, or get vaccinated. Point. Blank. Period. I may die of covid, but I'd rather die actually living. I'm not going to take meds for a leg that isn't broken. I'd rather take my chances with Covid and build up my immunity that way. Eat better. Drink water. Exercise and do what I think is necessary to be a healthy individual. That is MY CHOICE based on MY experiences and what I think is best."
OK then.
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