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GoofGoof
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So down to roughly 7 daily cases per 100K? Still moving the right direction and slowly getting there.
Unless you die in a nuclear explosion, or getting decapitated, etc… Deaths almost never have a singular cause.
Cancer, for example, doesn’t kill people. Cancer can be part of a multi-link chain that kills people.
Growth of tumors can interfere with normal organ function. Chemotherapy increases risk of infection. Eventually, chemotherapy itself becomes toxic.
So cancer often kills through a combination of organ failure, chemotherapy toxicity, infection, etc, which eventually lead to cardiac arrest.
So it’s common for a cause of official death to sound like:
Cardiac arrest
secondary to septic shock
Secondary to multi organ failure
secondary to hydronephrosis
Secondary to malignant tumor
Deaths are usually caused by a chain of events. So even in a patient with cancer or heart disease, Covid or other factors are indeed part of the cause of death.
People with heart disease, for example, can still live another 30 years in good condition.
But Covid, and it’s affect on the heart disease, may lead to death.
From the moment we are born, EVERYONE is dying. But that death may be slowed down or sped up. Covid speeds it up. Cancer speeds it up. Etc.
Phil12
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What we're dealing with here is the proximate and ultimate causation of death:
How many people has COVID-19 really killed in the U.S.?
In late August, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) updated their provisional death counts page to indicate that COVID-19 was the sole cause of death listed on death certificates in only 6% of cases. This fact was interpreted by some as only 6% of reported fatalities, or around...
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GaBoy
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Yes. My Dad told me early on that we won't make it out of this thing alive.. life that is.
DisneyDebRob
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“ Just when I thought I was out, they drag you back in”.- Michael CorleoneYippy
This is the way to embrace the Now with Optimism! title change. It’s really fun to do…everyone should try it.
Think of this quote daily as the warm and fuzzies start then see certain posts.
Animaniac93-98
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Good news:
Bad (but expected) news:
An announcement is expected on Monday regarding travel for fully vaccinated Canadians. As of now, 19% of those 12+ have had 2 doses.
Bad (but expected) news:
An announcement is expected on Monday regarding travel for fully vaccinated Canadians. As of now, 19% of those 12+ have had 2 doses.
What we're dealing with here is the proximate and ultimate causation of death:
How many people has COVID-19 really killed in the U.S.?
In late August, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) updated their provisional death counts page to indicate that COVID-19 was the sole cause of death listed on death certificates in only 6% of cases. This fact was interpreted by some as only 6% of reported fatalities, or around...
Proximate cause is defined as "but for" causation in most circumstances. In the State of New York, where I practice, proximate cause is defined as a "substantial cause" and it is recognized that an event may have more than one proximate cause.
So if someone has cancer, but then they take a downturn when they contract Covid, and their body is no longer able to recover from the infection, eventually leading to a respiratory arrest -- Then the proximate causes would be Covid, cancer and respiratory arrest.
The point of the article you cite is correct, though they really aren't correctly defining the term "proximate cause." They are using it a as a stand-in for the immediate cause, the final link closest to the death. In fact, for almost every death, the most immediate cause is arrest -- cardiac or respiratory arrest. Either your heart or lungs stop. But what caused the heart or lungs to stop..
There likely are some cases where Covid was improperly listed as a cause of death: Because any time you are dealing with hundreds of thousands of events, errors will occur. There will be deaths that should have been classified as Covid that weren't and vice versa.
But there is no basis to suspect any widespread error in over-reporting Covid deaths. (There is basis to suspect under-reporting early on, simply because we weren't testing much).
Why are we arguing this again? Look you’re free to think that the doctors AROUND THE WORLD are in on the conspiracy to use Covid to explain the deaths done by the hands of the lizard people who are invading and colonizing earth but don’t expect me to join you.What we're dealing with here is the proximate and ultimate causation of death:
How many people has COVID-19 really killed in the U.S.?
In late August, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) updated their provisional death counts page to indicate that COVID-19 was the sole cause of death listed on death certificates in only 6% of cases. This fact was interpreted by some as only 6% of reported fatalities, or around...
Something caused a massive increase in deaths last year and if you’re going to claim it’s not Covid you better have a good alternative explanation otherwise I’m just going to write you off as believing in lizard people.
TehPuddingMan
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It would be nice if Disney brought back paper menus.
spaldingclan
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the pessimists on this board expect the worst and when they arent worse, complain that is is not getting worseOptimists are always looking for the best outcome and, as a result, they are often disappointed when things don't turn out for the best. Pessimists, on the other hand, always expect the worst and are often pleased when outcomes turn out to be better than expected.It's kind of a glass half full, half empty thing.
Jrb1979
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I'm not surprised with the border closure extension. I personally think it won't open til fall. Mainly due to Canada wanting a vaccine passport.
Jrb1979
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Is it possible to be optimistic of one Country and pessimistic about another in regards to vaccination rate? Asking for a friend
... but... what...... if..... it actually was lizard people?
sullyinMT
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Well, that's what Loki's been calling the Time Keepers. If this is the sacred timeline and not some sadistic chaos branch, then that's exactly who it is.
TheGuyThatMakesSwords
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But everyone IS guaranteed to die. Just not from COVIDSomehow, in the space of about 48 hours, we went from changing the thread title to indicate new optimism to talking about how everyone is guaranteed to die. Only on this forum.
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Wendy Pleakley
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I think it will be a little sooner, especially with Canada having sufficient second doses as of July.
The announcement next week should be to remove quarantine requirements for vaccinated Canadians returning to Canada.
They noted they people will be able to include proof of vaccination in an app prior to any formal vaccine passport, so that could be enough to allow land crossings in the interim.
GoofGoof
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As my grandfather used to say to me when I asked how he was doing, getting old sucks…but it’s still better than the alternativeSomehow, in the space of about 48 hours, we went from changing the thread title to indicate new optimism to talking about how everyone is guaranteed to die. Only on this forum.
hopemax
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From lizard people! Don't forget the lizard people!Somehow, in the space of about 48 hours, we went from changing the thread title to indicate new optimism to talking about how everyone is guaranteed to die. Only on this forum.
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