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They should do what they are doing. It’s working.
mattpeto
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For how long?
DisneyFan32
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United Airlines has planned to use new Boom supersonic planes for 2029 as they will start flights between New York and London for three hours faster.
GimpYancIent
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Improved design and materials but not ground breaking, trend setting nor setting new standards. The Concord did all of that already. I hope it works out and is a shot in the arm for trans Atlantic travel. Will they be flying in to Orlando directly? or is a connecting flight going to be necessary?
GoofGoof
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Apparently not many restrictions will be around very much longer. From the attached article:
As June started, Israel canceled coronavirus restrictions on gatherings and abolished rules that limited some indoor venues only to vaccinated people.
The so-called Purple Badge and Green Pass systems have been scrapped, meaning that Israelis no longer require proof of vaccination or recovery to enter various sites, and capacity limits at stores, restaurants and other sites have been lifted. There are no further caps on gatherings, indoors or outdoors. Concerts and festivals, which already restarted with audience restrictions, can now return to pre-pandemic norms.
The indoor mask mandate remains in place, though health officials have indicated it will soon be lifted.
So outside of indoor mask mandates all covid mitigations have been rolled back and yet their cases continue to drop and stay down with only 60% of the population vaccinated. When they move soon to remove indoor masks they will be essentially back to normal. An excellent example of how you can effectively beat down this virus and return to normal even if it hasn’t been eradicated yet.
As Israel’s COVID restrictions end, two experts offer advice for other countries
Top epidemiologists reflect on what the world can learn from Israel’s successes, and failures, when it comes to kids, borders, long-term planning and more
www.timesofisrael.com
sullyinMT
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Even if we do it differently and more slowly than Israel, we’re in a much better national position to absorb fall/winter nationally. Sure, sustained mitigation would have helped drive things down faster assuming the same vaccination speed. Vaccines our working, and we’re below last summer with far less mitigation now than then. I still fear for my area, but even as my son was getting #2 today, 3 people walked in to our little CVS in Target for 1st doses. This was at 4pm, so people maybe on their way home from work.Apparently not many restrictions will be around very much longer. From the attached article:
As June started, Israel canceled coronavirus restrictions on gatherings and abolished rules that limited some indoor venues only to vaccinated people.
The so-called Purple Badge and Green Pass systems have been scrapped, meaning that Israelis no longer require proof of vaccination or recovery to enter various sites, and capacity limits at stores, restaurants and other sites have been lifted. There are no further caps on gatherings, indoors or outdoors. Concerts and festivals, which already restarted with audience restrictions, can now return to pre-pandemic norms.
The indoor mask mandate remains in place, though health officials have indicated it will soon be lifted.
So outside of indoor mask mandates all covid mitigations have been rolled back and yet their cases continue to drop and stay down with only 60% of the population vaccinated. When they move soon to remove indoor masks they will be essentially back to normal. An excellent example of how you can effectively beat down this virus and return to normal even if it hasn’t been eradicated yet.
As Israel’s COVID restrictions end, two experts offer advice for other countries
Top epidemiologists reflect on what the world can learn from Israel’s successes, and failures, when it comes to kids, borders, long-term planning and more
Another day and another big drop. The US now has an average of 15,037 cases a day or 4.54 cases a day. Based on that it is likely that tomorrow will be the day the NY Times will be reporting the US is down to 4 cases per 100,000. Vermont is now the state with the lowest rate, 1 per 100,000.
5 states, including California are at 2.
12 states are at 3, including NY and NJ.
9 states are at 4, including Texas.
11 states are at 5.
That makes 38 states at 5 or below and as of today only 2 states are in double digits, Wyoming and Colorado at 12 and 10 respectively. My only question is why are so many people on this thread still insisting that the problem with Covid19 will last for months. The reality is that with just 4.54 cases per 100,000 and dropping quickly it is likely that the US will fall to just 2 cases per 100,000. With every passing day the more convinced I am that this pandemic in the US is over. The only Continent that has a big problem is South America. It's a shame the US is not sending all our extra vaccine there. We should be following the Monroe Doctrine and taking care of our Hemispheres before Asia.
5 states, including California are at 2.
12 states are at 3, including NY and NJ.
9 states are at 4, including Texas.
11 states are at 5.
That makes 38 states at 5 or below and as of today only 2 states are in double digits, Wyoming and Colorado at 12 and 10 respectively. My only question is why are so many people on this thread still insisting that the problem with Covid19 will last for months. The reality is that with just 4.54 cases per 100,000 and dropping quickly it is likely that the US will fall to just 2 cases per 100,000. With every passing day the more convinced I am that this pandemic in the US is over. The only Continent that has a big problem is South America. It's a shame the US is not sending all our extra vaccine there. We should be following the Monroe Doctrine and taking care of our Hemispheres before Asia.
Yodascousin
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This is true although I think it was out of order that they went amber so quickly when people were told that countries would be put on a watch list before turning amber I also er on the side of caution but other countries with better rates then ours eg malta were not added which I think has also peeved people off as nobody knows what a country has to do to get on our green list!Yes this is largely correct.
In my opinion travel to other countries has been banned because of the infection rate in those countries not because of ours. Portugal, the source of most of the consternation has an increasing number of infections including a Nepal variant (apologies don’t know its Greek letter name) which is a variant of concern. Their cases are currently lower than ours but only have 27% of adults vaccinated so is not a safe place to visit at the moment. When it was announced we could go there their rate of infection was not increasing so quickly and the Nepal variant was less prevalent. We were warned from the beginning that “safe” countries could change according to circumstances. The only uproar I have seen is mostly, understandably, from the travel industry. I sympathise with anyone who was due to go to Portugal but have just heard an epidemiologist on the BBC 10pm news saying this was the correct decision. So the government has been accused of acting too slowly and/or not closing borders quickly enough and now have annoyed people by acting “too quickly!” Heads you lose and tails you lose too!
Personally I prefer caution.
also re the Nepal variant that seems a bit odd as WHO have said they are not even aware of such a variant which is even more confusing!
James J
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The U.K. is confounding to me. Huge adoption for getting vaccinated, but then protests like this just don't juxtapose well.
Video: Hundreds Protest Vaccine Passports in London
Demonstrators opposing coronavirus vaccines and the idea of vaccine passports gathered in central London on Saturday.nyti.ms
And if the Times thinks that's hundreds of people, I can't imagine what thousands or more look like.
We unfortunately have a minority of anti-lockdown/anti-vax people who have a questionable amount of brain cells. Just the other weekend, they were protesting a non-existent lockdown that was lifted 2 months ago inside a London shopping centre which they then forced to, you guessed it, lockdown
Now that the Delta variant is thought to be around 60% more transmissible with the ability to evade vaccines, the likelihood of England re-opening pretty much fully in just 2 and a half weeks is looking less and less likely.
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GoofGoof
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Agreed. Had we kept mitigations in place nationwide through April and had we gotten strong vaccine demand from 80%+ of adults we would most likely be well under 1 case per 100,000 now and all Covid mitigations would have been gone by May 1. Instead, we did what we did as far as mitigation and vaccine demand slowed so it will take into July to reach the same point on mitigations and maybe longer to get cases that low. As I have said for a while now, it’s vaccine or bust and we didn’t do it the easier way, but that also doesn’t mean we cannot and will not get there. There are many different ways to get to the same end result.
On vaccines I agree too. It’s a slow pace but we aren’t done despite what the doom and gloom crowd wants us to believe. Slow down doesn’t mean stopped. People have various reasons for not being vaccinated and not all of the people left to go are anti-vaxx or politically motivated. For some it just comes down to getting around to it and timing it to minimize the impact from potential side effects. I still think that by far the best motivator to get unvaccinated people in is for employers to allow vaccinated workers to lose the mask at work and require proof of vaccination. Very few people would choose to wear a mask 40+ hours a week at work if they have an out.
GimpYancIent
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Stop! Some people had a little too much Guinness and were blowing off some steam.We unfortunately have a minority of anti-lockdown/anti-vax people who have a questionable amount of brain cells. Just the other weekend, they were protesting a non-existent lockdown that was lifted 2 months ago inside a London shopping centre which they then forced to, you guessed it, lockdown
Now that the Delta variant is thought to be around 60% more transmissible with the ability to evade vaccines, the likelihood of England re-opening pretty much fully in just 2 and a half weeks is looking less and less likely.
Through all this, it has never been single factor answers. Yes, the decline in Spring 2020 was partially due to mitigation. But you also had significant declines in regions that did almost no mitigation. Spring 2020 decline was partially due to mitigation, partially due to seasonality. Partially even due to natural immunity starting to develop in the population that was most likely to contract it.
Apparently not many restrictions will be around very much longer. From the attached article:
As June started, Israel canceled coronavirus restrictions on gatherings and abolished rules that limited some indoor venues only to vaccinated people.
The so-called Purple Badge and Green Pass systems have been scrapped, meaning that Israelis no longer require proof of vaccination or recovery to enter various sites, and capacity limits at stores, restaurants and other sites have been lifted. There are no further caps on gatherings, indoors or outdoors. Concerts and festivals, which already restarted with audience restrictions, can now return to pre-pandemic norms.
The indoor mask mandate remains in place, though health officials have indicated it will soon be lifted.
So outside of indoor mask mandates all covid mitigations have been rolled back and yet their cases continue to drop and stay down with only 60% of the population vaccinated. When they move soon to remove indoor masks they will be essentially back to normal. An excellent example of how you can effectively beat down this virus and return to normal even if it hasn’t been eradicated yet.
As Israel’s COVID restrictions end, two experts offer advice for other countries
Top epidemiologists reflect on what the world can learn from Israel’s successes, and failures, when it comes to kids, borders, long-term planning and more
Correct..... That's been my argument. 1-2 months of vaccine passports, driving down Covid until it is at minuscule levels... Then very easy to fully normalize.
We decided to skip that step, and normalize without driving Covid down to minuscule levels.
I would classify 0.2 cases per 100,000 as virtually eradicated.
You seem to be saying, "Israel lifting a lot of mitigation when they hit 0.2 cases per 100,000... they will lift the indoor mask mandate when they hit 0.1 cases per 100,000..... So we are doing the exact same thing if we go back to normal at 5 cases per 100,000!!
Do you not see the huge difference between 5 cases per 100,000 and 0.2 cases per 100,000?
For how long Israel did it. They utilized vaccine passports for a couple of months.... They kept the indoor mask mandate as cases drop below 0.2 per 100,000. Now, they have mostly lifted the passport requirements, they will likely soon lift the indoor mask mandate.
Had we taken the same measures, we probably would be getting similar results right now.
mattpeto
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It's only eradicating it in Israel, which is great for Israel.
Eventually, borders will open and the world will still be dealing with the outbreaks.
Zummi Gummi
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Mayor Demings just announced (literally moments ago) during the State of the County address that all covid restrictions would be lifted as of tomorrow because the positivity rate in the county dropped below 5% for 14 days.
Orange County will lift all mask requirements on Saturday paving the way for a mask-free summer at Walt Disney World
Orange County will lift all mask requirements on Saturday paving the way for a mask-free summer at Walt Disney World
Is Disney about to remove the requirement for all masks at Walt Disney World?
www.wdwmagic.com
Jrb1979
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While true somewhat, if a high percentage of people are vaccinated those outbreaks will be very small. It's a big reason I am not worried about it happening much here in Canada. The way vaccinations are going there is a good chance we hit 80% vaccinated here.
GoofGoof
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As I said, we did it the harder way and the longer way. Where we seem to disagree is that I think the outcome is the same either way, it just takes longer. Unless you don’t believe in the vaccines, the goal all along was to replace all mitigation with vaccinations. Period, end of plan. So Israel is pretty close to removing all restrictions and then we will see if the vaccines hold and the cases stay way down. I believe that will be the case. In the US we removed the mitigations sooner and that will delay how fast the cases drop (although Israel was starting from a much higher point when vaccines fully ramped up in Jan/Feb) but the end result will be the same. We will remove all mitigations and cases will stay down because of the vaccinations. Keeping mitigations would have sped up our return to normal but I don’t agree that we can’t still get there anyway.
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