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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

LaughingGravy

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But you do, as long as they work in government. At least that's the impression I get. And look, I try to be optimistic about our elected (and unelected) officials, but they let me down time and again. All over the country, they closed businesses that did not need to be closed.


History demonstrates that when governments amass power, bad things tend to happen. As imperfect as individuals and business owners may be, I would rather those folks have the ability to make these decisions in most cases. With that said, I'm all for government-issued guidance, and certain restrictions during emergencies.

If a business is doing reckless things (Covid-related or otherwise), the beauty of a free market is nobody is compelled to patronize that business. People vote with their pocketbooks, and generally the reckless don't make it. Are there exceptions? Of course! Is it a perfect system? Of course not! But it sure beats the heck out of a group of central planners dictating our every move and enriching themselves & their friends with special rules & exemptions.
There are rules for reasons. The free market and voting with their pocketbooks to decide things is not how a society works, or at least a large part of how this society in fact doesn't work. For some things, yes, for some things no.
It can't be decided based on the reckless businesses not surviving. Look at our FDA approved ( or nearly approved with the exception of this truly emergency situation) vaccines. Then look at some of the others overseas that turned out to be crap vaccines. A lot of those people got what I'll call bogus vaccines and then more damage happened.
Look at Social Security, Medicare, the national highway system and all the other socialist programs we have. That's a LOT of government making all that happen. Add in your local services such as police, fire and ambulance, if run by the town. Without proper oversight and accountability, there will always be those in the the gov't enriching themselves and their friends with special rules and exemptions. As if it doesn't happen in the private sector...yeah not at all. [/sarc]

A lot of businesses were closed that didn't need to, but this has been an evolving situation. Some unfortunate things happened in the way of business to be sure, but still close to 600K people died. We are a much more diverse population that travels more than most and thus the spread happened as it did.
I'm confident we are in a much better place, and getting better, but I also think it's a bad idea that some people always poo poo govt anything until they need it, then it's OK.
 
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Figgy1

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Touchdown

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Is it really "very low" right now?

I understand that line is trending down, wonderfully down. But, when I look to the left, it's still higher than everything prior to July 2020. It trended down some then too. Somewhere below that valley from last May would have been nice.

Now we get to see, does it stay going down, does it level off, or does it turn back up?

Is the vaccinated amount today enough to keep it trending down? It might be. Without any other mitigations, it might not be. We'll find out.

As a parent of an under 12 who mostly gave up all kinds of things over the last year and is still barely in school. Risking exposure and getting sick now would be tragic. All the more so if we did it to rush dropping everything what may be 4 weeks early and suffering a slow down.

I'll hope the trend is irreversible at this point, but I'm not going to believe it until we're under last May's numbers.

Switching that graph to Deaths, we do appear to be at the lowest daily death since this started. Still 500+ daily, so not low in the abstract, just lowest so far.
We weren’t testing nearly enough a year ago, I’m sure cases were higher, but you already made my biggest point, hospitalizations and deaths are at historic lows since the start of the pandemic, there will be an increase in cases, there always is when restrictions are lifted but the system should be able to absorb it, that’s the bet the CDC just made.
 

DCBaker

Premium Member
"People who get their coronavirus vaccine at Winn-Dixie will be able to save money on their groceries, as the company is offering coupons for the vaccinated.

Jacksonville-based Southeastern Grocers, which also owns Harveys Supermarket and Fresco y Más, said customers and employees will get $5 off SE Grocers products after their first dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine and then another $10 off after the second dose. Those who get the one-shot Johnson & Johnson can get $10 off.

“In efforts to further safeguard communities during the ongoing pandemic and encourage vaccine administrations, Southeastern Grocers is now offering community incentives to individuals who receive COVID-19 vaccines in all Harveys Supermarket, Fresco y Más and Winn-Dixie in-store pharmacies,” the company said in a news release.

Elsewhere, customers who get vaccinated at CVS pharmacies will receive a 20% off shopping pass, according to spokeswoman Tara Burke. Adults who get the vaccine in CVS pharmacies that are in Target stores will receive a $5 coupon, Burke said."

 

danlb_2000

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"People who get their coronavirus vaccine at Winn-Dixie will be able to save money on their groceries, as the company is offering coupons for the vaccinated.

Jacksonville-based Southeastern Grocers, which also owns Harveys Supermarket and Fresco y Más, said customers and employees will get $5 off SE Grocers products after their first dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine and then another $10 off after the second dose. Those who get the one-shot Johnson & Johnson can get $10 off.

“In efforts to further safeguard communities during the ongoing pandemic and encourage vaccine administrations, Southeastern Grocers is now offering community incentives to individuals who receive COVID-19 vaccines in all Harveys Supermarket, Fresco y Más and Winn-Dixie in-store pharmacies,” the company said in a news release.

Elsewhere, customers who get vaccinated at CVS pharmacies will receive a 20% off shopping pass, according to spokeswoman Tara Burke. Adults who get the vaccine in CVS pharmacies that are in Target stores will receive a $5 coupon, Burke said."


Hopefully things like this will encourage people to get vaccinated before states start outlawing this like Michigan is trying to do.
 

sullyinMT

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Hopefully things like this will encourage people to get vaccinated before states start outlawing this like Michigan is trying to do.
Wouldn’t this need to get past Whitmer’s desk? Judging by the headlines, I think she’d be in favor of getting out the shot by any ethical means. A CVS coupon is far from unethical (and the flu shot norm)
 

mmascari

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We weren’t testing nearly enough a year ago, I’m sure cases were higher, but you already made my biggest point, hospitalizations and deaths are at historic lows since the start of the pandemic, there will be an increase in cases, there always is when restrictions are lifted but the system should be able to absorb it, that’s the bet the CDC just made.
"at historic lows" and "low" aren't the same though. I thought we would aim for lower than 500 daily, 180,000 yearly. I really did think the target was closer to 150 daily, 55,000 yearly. We'll still get below where we are today. It's a question of how fast and where the floor lands.

Ramping back is fine. This feels more like "we're done". Perhaps a few steps to early. Like the track runner that stands up, waives to the crowd before crossing the finish line. Only to be crushed by the second place runner they thought they left far behind, but were wrong.
 

dreday3

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"at historic lows" and "low" aren't the same though. I thought we would aim for lower than 500 daily, 180,000 yearly. I really did think the target was closer to 150 daily, 55,000 yearly. We'll still get below where we are today. It's a question of how fast and where the floor lands.

Ramping back is fine. This feels more like "we're done". Perhaps a few steps to early. Like the track runner that stands up, waives to the crowd before crossing the finish line. Only to be crushed by the second place runner they thought they left far behind, but were wrong.

I don't get you.

Vaccinated people don't have to wear masks. That's all they said. What is wrong with that? This is what the end goal is.
They didn't say everyone go maskless, they said here is the benefit for you who chose to get vaccinated - no masks.
 

Patcheslee

Well-Known Member
Finally waiting for a shot at Walgreens. Little bit of a glitch with getting checked in. Lady insisted is was 15 and up and I must not have put in DD12s actual birthday when I booked, she had to get with pharmacist to confirm 12yo are eligible. There's about 4 other parents all waiting with their kids now.
 

sullyinMT

Well-Known Member
Finally waiting for a shot at Walgreens. Little bit of a glitch with getting checked in. Lady insisted is was 15 and up and I must not have put in DD12s actual birthday when I booked, she had to get with pharmacist to confirm 12yo are eligible. There's about 4 other parents all waiting with their kids now.
Yay for the other kids! We saw a handful this morning, too. Apparently my son went and told everyone at school (good on him!). At lunchtime he texted and asked where the clinic was because a few of his friends were getting picked up by their parents to join the fight.
 

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